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Post by peterparker on Jul 18, 2019 11:10:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 11:26:37 GMT
Dont tell Eric. He wants to leave the EU so we can unravel our own rules, made by our own legislature. Make sense to you? No? Me neither. |
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Post by aghast on Jul 18, 2019 21:25:22 GMT
"EU leaders such as Frans Timmermans believe that British politicians do not understand the idealism and the history which underlies the European project. He says that "continental Europeans" do not see the EU in the same way as the United Kingdom - "as a market".
Brexiteers like Boris Johnson don't dispute the history but they do doubt that the leaders of any country would willingly harm their own economies. He has said in public that EU countries will want to sell us their cars or cheese or even Prosecco.
Did that claim infuriate Timmermans?
"Yes it did, also, perhaps I'm being a bit harsh but it's about time we became a bit harsh also because I'm not sure he [Johnson] was being genuine, I always have the impression he's playing games.""
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 18, 2019 22:44:14 GMT
Boris received a defeat by proxy and Corbyn could see a vote of no confidence next week by Labour Peers.
I used to be proud of our democracy, Hungary even built their Parliament on the Houses of Parliament model. I bet they wouldn't now.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 22, 2019 8:46:49 GMT
SMH
The presumptive prime minister used his latest Daily Telegraph column to argue that the UK should see the Apollo 11 mission as proof government can achieve things once thought impossible.
āIf they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earthās atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border,ā he wrote.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 9:50:06 GMT
SMH The presumptive prime minister used his latest Daily Telegraph column to argue that the UK should see the Apollo 11 mission as proof government can achieve things once thought impossible. āIf they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earthās atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border,ā he wrote. From a guy who most likely cannot master his smartphone. |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 22, 2019 10:01:14 GMT
SMH The presumptive prime minister used his latest Daily Telegraph column to argue that the UK should see the Apollo 11 mission as proof government can achieve things once thought impossible. āIf they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earthās atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border,ā he wrote. From a guy who most likely cannot master his smartphone. Just amazes me that he can just come up with such rubbish. It seems as though he can say whatever because in his bombastic style he makes people beleive and gives an air of confidence, despite what he says being complete bollox
but people lap it up, like the kipper
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 10:08:51 GMT
From a guy who most likely cannot master his smartphone. Just amazes me that he can just come up with such rubbish. It seems as though he can say whatever because in his bombastic style he makes people beleive and gives an air of confidence, despite what he says being complete bollox
but people lap it up, like the kipper
It's pointless, (almostš¤Ø) trying to argue against it. As you say, complete bollox. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 22, 2019 10:15:57 GMT
From a guy who most likely cannot master his smartphone. Just amazes me that he can just come up with such rubbish. It seems as though he can say whatever because in his bombastic style he makes people beleive and gives an air of confidence, despite what he says being complete bollox
but people lap it
up, like the kipper
I'm not sure people lap it up more like that after 3yrs plus of negativity anything that sounds a bit positive and looks like a semblance of leadership folk are attracted to,our politicians have managed to pee off the electorate of whatever persuasion which in my lifetime is pretty unique and rebuilding trust is a major issue and in my view beyond their collective capabilities. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 10:56:30 GMT
Just amazes me that he can just come up with such rubbish. It seems as though he can say whatever because in his bombastic style he makes people beleive and gives an air of confidence, despite what he says being complete bollox
but people lap it
up, like the kipper
I'm not sure people lap it up more like that after 3yrs plus of negativity anything that sounds a bit positive and looks like a semblance of leadership folk are attracted to,our politicians have managed to pee off the electorate of whatever persuasion which in my lifetime is pretty unique and rebuilding trust is a major issue and in my view beyond their collective capabilities. True And if Johnson turns out to be the buffoon some of us believe he is..what price trust then? Only difference will be we will be deeper into the proverbial than we already are. As a side note, I see that the guy responsible for negotiating the Canada "roll over" of their existing trade deal we with the EU has resigned. Allegedly the Canadians have told us to eff off. Citing Rees-Mogg, they said if you are going to slash your import tariffs in the event of a no deal, no need to negotiate anything, 95% of our exports will be in a better position than the existing Treaty. And we get nothing, that's zilch, in return. More leaver genius. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 22, 2019 11:19:17 GMT
Lets be honest, do we really think Hunt or Boris can do any better than what May tried to achieve? Its absolutely deadlock on no matter which way you turn.
The biggest mistake in all of this wasnt the result of the leave/stay vote, but the snap general election that followed, which resulted in a hung parliment. If May had kept her counsel for 12 months and kept most of the Cameron alliance together, they would have had far more bargaining power against Brussels, far more business sense, and then, should there have been no agreement, a threat of a hard Brexit would have been very real to any in opposition as there would have been absolutely no reliance on the DUP to push anything through, should they want to agree to it of course.
Instead she got the big broom out and swept all the good work done over the previous 7 years and all the best minds straight out the door, in a very reminiscent way to Gordon Brown's utterly feckless leadership.
To me, Phillip Hammond threatening to resign if Boris does succeed has actually had a reverse effect. The chance that his job would be up for grabs too and the chance of promotion will appeal to some and the opportunity to see the back of one of the weakest COE's the country has ever seen will be a big draw for some of the minor members. That could have just promoted Boris to a winning position.
Whatever the result, I really dont think that there is any way forward out of this and we will end up with another referendum.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 22, 2019 11:24:19 GMT
Lets be honest, do we really think Hunt or Boris can do any better than what May tried to achieve? Its absolutely deadlock on no matter which way you turn. The biggest mistake in all of this wasnt the result of the leave/stay vote, but the snap general election that followed, which resulted in a hung parliment. If May had kept her counsel for 12 months and kept most of the Cameron alliance together, they would have had far more bargaining power against Brussels, far more business sense, and then, should there have been no agreement, a threat of a hard Brexit would have been very real to any in opposition as there would have been absolutely no reliance on the DUP to push anything through, should they want to agree to it of course. Instead she got the big broom out and swept all the good work done over the previous 7 years and all the best minds straight out the door, in a very reminiscent way to Gordon Brown's utterly feckless leadership. To me, Phillip Hammond threatening to resign if Boris does succeed has actually had a reverse effect. The chance that his job would be up for grabs too and the chance of promotion will appeal to some and the opportunity to see the back of one of the weakest COE's the country has ever seen will be a big draw for some of the minor members. That could have just promoted Boris to a winning position. Whatever the result, I really dont think that there is any way forward out of this and we will end up with another referendum. Hammond is simply resigning before he is sacked though. Hammond wouldn't be in a Johnson Cabinet anyway.
The scary thing is the rumoured names up for Chancellor inclubing Raab and Truss
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 22, 2019 11:42:14 GMT
I'm not sure people lap it up more like that after 3yrs plus of negativity anything that sounds a bit positive and looks like a semblance of leadership folk are attracted to,our politicians have managed to pee off the electorate of whatever persuasion which in my lifetime is pretty unique and rebuilding trust is a major issue and in my view beyond their collective capabilities. True And if Johnson turns out to be the buffoon some of us believe he is..what price trust then? Only difference will be we will be deeper into the proverbial than we already are. As a side note, I see that the guy responsible for negotiating the Canada "roll over" of their existing trade deal we with the EU has resigned. Allegedly the Canadians have told us to eff off. Citing Rees-Mogg, they said if you are going to slash your import tariffs in the event of a no deal, no need to negotiate anything, 95% of our exports will be in a better position than the existing Treaty. And we get nothing, that's zilch, in return. More leaver genius. He doesn't have my trust as he's a congenital liar and couldn't lie straight in bed and he's a privileged Tory! ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 11:57:47 GMT
True And if Johnson turns out to be the buffoon some of us believe he is..what price trust then? Only difference will be we will be deeper into the proverbial than we already are. As a side note, I see that the guy responsible for negotiating the Canada "roll over" of their existing trade deal we with the EU has resigned. Allegedly the Canadians have told us to eff off. Citing Rees-Mogg, they said if you are going to slash your import tariffs in the event of a no deal, no need to negotiate anything, 95% of our exports will be in a better position than the existing Treaty. And we get nothing, that's zilch, in return. More leaver genius. He doesn't have my trust as he's a congenital liar and couldn't lie straight in bed and he's a privileged Tory! ! Oooooh sir I completely agree with you!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 11:59:33 GMT
Lets be honest, do we really think Hunt or Boris can do any better than what May tried to achieve? Its absolutely deadlock on no matter which way you turn. The biggest mistake in all of this wasnt the result of the leave/stay vote, but the snap general election that followed, which resulted in a hung parliment. If May had kept her counsel for 12 months and kept most of the Cameron alliance together, they would have had far more bargaining power against Brussels, far more business sense, and then, should there have been no agreement, a threat of a hard Brexit would have been very real to any in opposition as there would have been absolutely no reliance on the DUP to push anything through, should they want to agree to it of course. Instead she got the big broom out and swept all the good work done over the previous 7 years and all the best minds straight out the door, in a very reminiscent way to Gordon Brown's utterly feckless leadership. To me, Phillip Hammond threatening to resign if Boris does succeed has actually had a reverse effect. The chance that his job would be up for grabs too and the chance of promotion will appeal to some and the opportunity to see the back of one of the weakest COE's the country has ever seen will be a big draw for some of the minor members. That could have just promoted Boris to a winning position. Whatever the result, I really dont think that there is any way forward out of this and we will end up with another referendum. Hammond is simply resigning before he is sacked though. Hammond wouldn't be inĀ a JohnsonĀ Cabinet anyway.
The scary thing is the rumoured names up for Chancellor inclubing Raab and Truss
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 16:57:34 GMT
Meanwhile, this article, albeit only semi serious, made me laugh. "Only the Grim Reaper saved John McCririck from getting the call-up to take over from Chris Grayling at Transport." š¤£š¤£š¤£ The Leavers Cabinet Boris Johnsonās choice to fill his cabinet with hopeless MPs is no mistake, itās his āget out of Brexit failure freeā card flip.it/CItD21Enjoy |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 23, 2019 7:21:56 GMT
European Naval Force anyone....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 7:38:43 GMT
European Naval Force anyone.... I did laugh. What, no screams of hysterics??? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 23, 2019 10:41:47 GMT
Not long now š
I'm going Boris with between 57-63% of the vote.
First Cabinet wise, I would guess:
Chancellor - Javid
Home Secretary - Davis
Foreign Secretary - Mordaunt
Chief Sec to Treasury - Hancock
Business - Truss
Health - Rudd
Brexit - Baker
Education - Patel
Transport- Raab
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Post by newmarketgas on Jul 23, 2019 11:00:39 GMT
True And if Johnson turns out to be the buffoon some of us believe he is..what price trust then? Only difference will be we will be deeper into the proverbial than we already are. As a side note, I see that the guy responsible for negotiating the Canada "roll over" of their existing trade deal we with the EU has resigned. Allegedly the Canadians have told us to eff off. Citing Rees-Mogg, they said if you are going to slash your import tariffs in the event of a no deal, no need to negotiate anything, 95% of our exports will be in a better position than the existing Treaty. And we get nothing, that's zilch, in return. More leaver genius. He doesn't have my trust as he's a congenital liar and couldn't lie straight in bed and he's a privileged Tory! ! That covers Diane Abbott and David Lammy but they are race baiters and privileged Labour ! |
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