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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2020 22:18:45 GMT
Only the usual suspects jumping to the club's defence, most fans were looking forward today to seeing Abraham's debut but he doesn't even make the bench so it's back to Reilly as the only alternative to JCH if as an off day. Your usual negative slant without knowing the details. So why couldn't Mr Zero Personality inform fans yesterday that Abraham's wouldn't be appearing in today's squad instead of building fans expectations?
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 1, 2020 22:19:25 GMT
I’m not applauding the results, they’ve been crap! But I can see the bigger picture, we ain’t going up and we certainly ain’t going down. The man will come good and when he does what are you going to moan about then, no doubt you will find something? That’s obviously just your nature Victor. Sorry but your as deluded as Daniel & co, there's not a shred of evidence things are improving, just because we gave Coventry a game for 30 minutes and drew with basket case Bolton doesn't mean things are improving. I've been here and seen it all before, the players bare simply not buying into Garner's vision and, just like Dodson and Penny, the sooner he's gone the better for all concerned. No Rovers manager has ever started this poorly, results wise. We drew the game before Bolton as well. We've all said things have to improve. We all get watered off after a defeat. Not everyone acts like a 5 year old though. Of course playing better than before, means you are improving. You do know what improving means??? We know we are still not good enough. We know we still need to improve a lot. Can you honestly say you saw no improvement today, than a few weeks ago?? We still have 3 new signings to come into the squad. Plus Matthews is building fitness all the time. It takes time to change things. Today was better, but not good enough. It certainly wasn't a disgrace. If you sign young player's, with a view to the future. Employ a manager, who is good at developing them. Then you have to give them time to do that. I will judge a few games at a time and look for improvements. I'm not happy with how things are at the moment. But you have to look at the long term goal.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 1, 2020 22:26:18 GMT
If you want to know what sort of players you need to play the passing game then look no further than Coventry.
Hyam, Walsh(should be playing in the championship), Dabo and O’Hare were the stand out players. The others just did their jobs effectively and without fuss.
To be like that we need to lose players like Craig, Ollie, Upson and Rodman. They are not good enough to play that kind of football.
Craig not strong enough, not fast enough and doesn’t pass well enough. Ollie doesn’t work hard enough, doesn’t make the right decisions quick enough or well enough. Upson not strong enough and lacks the desired creativity and isn’t the box to box type you need. Rodman, L2 quality at best. Never attacks his man let alone beats him and final delivery not good enough.
I’m hoping Ben has recruited the correct players to put this into effect.
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Post by brads213 on Feb 1, 2020 22:35:09 GMT
Sorry but your as deluded as Daniel & co, there's not a shred of evidence things are improving, just because we gave Coventry a game for 30 minutes and drew with basket case Bolton doesn't mean things are improving. I've been here and seen it all before, the players bare simply not buying into Garner's vision and, just like Dodson and Penny, the sooner he's gone the better for all concerned. No Rovers manager has ever started this poorly, results wise. We drew the game before Bolton as well. We've all said things have to improve. We all get watered off after a defeat. Not everyone acts like a 5 year old though. Of course playing better than before, means you are improving. You do know what improving means??? We know we are still not good enough. We know we still need to improve a lot. Can you honestly say you saw no improvement today, than a few weeks ago?? We still have 3 new signings to come into the squad. Plus Matthews is building fitness all the time. It takes time to change things. Today was better, but not good enough. It certainly wasn't a disgrace. If you sign young player's, with a view to the future. Employ a manager, who is good at developing them. Then you have to give them time to do that. I will judge a few games at a time and look for improvements. I'm not happy with how things are at the moment. But you have to look at the long term goal. Yes you are right we are improving we have scored for 2 games on the trot WOW what an improvement we are sh**e no wins in 11 , 13th in the league great improvement you are having a laugh aren’t you , you seem to know as much about football as marshy and that’s zero
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 22:39:15 GMT
If you want to know what sort of players you need to play the passing game then look no further than Coventry. Hyam, Walsh(should be playing in the championship), Dabo and O’Hare were the stand out players. The others just did their jobs effectively and without fuss. To be like that we need to lose players like Craig, Ollie, Upson and Rodman. They are not good enough to play that kind of football. Craig not strong enough, not fast enough and doesn’t pass well enough. Ollie doesn’t work hard enough, doesn’t make the right decisions quick enough or well enough. Upson not strong enough and lacks the desired creativity and isn’t the box to box type you need. Rodman, L2 quality at best. Never attacks his man let alone beats him and final delivery not good enough. I’m hoping Ben has recruited the correct players to put this into effect. In a way that's part of garners problem,several players who looked like they had a bright future under coughlan know full well there days are numbered under garner.
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Post by socrates on Feb 1, 2020 22:48:40 GMT
If you want to know what sort of players you need to play the passing game then look no further than Coventry. Hyam, Walsh(should be playing in the championship), Dabo and O’Hare were the stand out players. The others just did their jobs effectively and without fuss. To be like that we need to lose players like Craig, Ollie, Upson and Rodman. They are not good enough to play that kind of football. Craig not strong enough, not fast enough and doesn’t pass well enough. Ollie doesn’t work hard enough, doesn’t make the right decisions quick enough or well enough. Upson not strong enough and lacks the desired creativity and isn’t the box to box type you need. Rodman, L2 quality at best. Never attacks his man let alone beats him and final delivery not good enough. I’m hoping Ben has recruited the correct players to put this into effect. I agree with all of that except Rodman is decent does take players on and beats them. Has definitely has been one of our better players this season. Our biggest problem was on show today and has been since we stopped bypassing our midfield with direct football , Olly Clarke has gone backwards in his progression and has been poor all season , Ogogo gets stuck in but needs legs in midfield with him which we haven’t got and Upson is slow and ponderous and only does good things when he’s got time and space which is rarely. Coventry were so sharp through the midfield today , Olly and Upson stood and watched them play through for their goals, no where near it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 22:49:14 GMT
Your usual negative slant without knowing the details. So why couldn't Mr Zero Personality inform fans yesterday that Abraham's wouldn't be appearing in today's squad instead of building fans expectations? So it's yet another opportunity to knock the club, the manager this time. Which comment by BG raised your expectations that a 19 year old would be thrown in at the deep end without having little if any opportunity to train with his team mates?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 22:51:29 GMT
We are carrying our Captain yet again …. Until we have a proper leader on the pitch we will not see the true grit and determination needed in this division. Sadly this is so very true. No leadership today once we went 1-2 down.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2020 22:55:53 GMT
If you want to know what sort of players you need to play the passing game then look no further than Coventry. Hyam, Walsh(should be playing in the championship), Dabo and O’Hare were the stand out players. The others just did their jobs effectively and without fuss. To be like that we need to lose players like Craig, Ollie, Upson and Rodman. They are not good enough to play that kind of football. Craig not strong enough, not fast enough and doesn’t pass well enough. Ollie doesn’t work hard enough, doesn’t make the right decisions quick enough or well enough. Upson not strong enough and lacks the desired creativity and isn’t the box to box type you need. Rodman, L2 quality at best. Never attacks his man let alone beats him and final delivery not good enough. I’m hoping Ben has recruited the correct players to put this into effect. Can you honestly see two young strikers are going to replace OC and Upson, I can't see what BG's trying to achieve and I fear he hasn't a clue himself and he's turned into another tinkerman. Tuesday he played Kilgore at right back today he was left CB, with Rodman, who's also been a winger all his career, back at RWB with Little still benched. Ogogo who's probably out stand out CM benched for some odd reason for Upson and OC, then the former gets an early booking meaning he lost the ability to tackle. Upfront M-L and Ginnelly seemed to spend most of the first half trying to work out who was playing on the left and who was right on the right. Meanwhile JCH cuts a frustrated figure upfront on his own. I can't work out what Garner's favoured formation is, is it 5-2-2-1 or 4-3-2-1, does he even know himself, what formation is he going to plump for at Wycombe?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 22:58:59 GMT
Not really, when we got a point in both the games before this one. So how does not make any sense?? Did you watch today? So when did we score 2 goals under BG? If you think the results are satisfactory you clearly aren't the full packet, or are being told be Wael to post nonsense. I assume you didn't bother actually attending today's game, where are you in Jordan? Clearly you're upset by the result but why attack everyone and rip into everything BRFC?
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Post by brads213 on Feb 1, 2020 23:05:18 GMT
I’m not applauding the results, they’ve been crap! But I can see the bigger picture, we ain’t going up and we certainly ain’t going down. The man will come good and when he does what are you going to moan about then, no doubt you will find something? That’s obviously just your nature Victor. Sorry but your as deluded as Daniel & co, there's not a shred of evidence things are improving, just because we gave Coventry a game for 30 minutes and drew with basket case Bolton doesn't mean things are improving. I've been here and seen it all before, the players bare simply not buying into Garner's vision and, just like Dodson and Penny, the sooner he's gone the better for all concerned. No Rovers manager has ever started this poorly, results wise. Well said topper at least there are a few of us on here that can see that garner is not up to the job this may hold the record for any new managers start at a club never mind just us
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 1, 2020 23:16:28 GMT
We drew the game before Bolton as well. We've all said things have to improve. We all get watered off after a defeat. Not everyone acts like a 5 year old though. Of course playing better than before, means you are improving. You do know what improving means??? We know we are still not good enough. We know we still need to improve a lot. Can you honestly say you saw no improvement today, than a few weeks ago?? We still have 3 new signings to come into the squad. Plus Matthews is building fitness all the time. It takes time to change things. Today was better, but not good enough. It certainly wasn't a disgrace. If you sign young player's, with a view to the future. Employ a manager, who is good at developing them. Then you have to give them time to do that. I will judge a few games at a time and look for improvements. I'm not happy with how things are at the moment. But you have to look at the long term goal. Yes you are right we are improving we have scored for 2 games on the trot WOW what an improvement we are sh**e no wins in 11 , 13th in the league great improvement you are having a laugh aren’t you , you seem to know as much about football as marshy and that’s zero Can you not read?? I said we improved from a few weeks ago. We are still not good enough. I never said we were. I probally know just as much about football as you, if not more. Maybe read a post, before you comment. Scoring in the last 2 games was an improvement, as we didn't score any before 😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 23:20:45 GMT
Not going to be too downbeat. We are a work in progress and that first half performance was the best w ehave seen under BG. We went missing 2nd half but more encouraging than previous. Also have these 3 new players to come in. We don't have to fear relegation yet so cna afford to have a play. Well GGMI, I can’t believe this but I agree with you lol! Spot on mate! I thought the 1st was very good and very encouraging, 2nd half not so great but as you say 3 or 4 to in come yet, I like the look of it TBH. UTG! Well said. I also struggle to agree with GGMI on many occasions but he's right this time. Pity others can't also give BG a bit of time.
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Post by clampdown on Feb 1, 2020 23:30:32 GMT
I can't work out what Garner's favoured formation is, is it 5-2-2-1 or 4-3-2-1, does he even know himself, what formation is he going to plump for at Wycombe? He probably doesn't at the moment. His remit is to change our style of play while reducing cost, as even you must realise a £2/3m loss per year isn't sustainable. We overachieved hugely under Coughlan and were never good enough to maintain a play-off position. We're not going down this season. I hate losing as much as anyone, but change takes time, he's had a couple of months and one transfer window. Realistically what were you expecting?
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 1, 2020 23:39:31 GMT
Sorry but your as deluded as Daniel & co, there's not a shred of evidence things are improving, just because we gave Coventry a game for 30 minutes and drew with basket case Bolton doesn't mean things are improving. I've been here and seen it all before, the players bare simply not buying into Garner's vision and, just like Dodson and Penny, the sooner he's gone the better for all concerned. No Rovers manager has ever started this poorly, results wise. Well said topper at least there are a few of us on here that can see that garner is not up to the job this may hold the record for any new managers start at a club never mind just us What absolute nonsense, if you can't see an improvement from the opening 30 mins today then you aren't watching the same game as the rest of us. Of course we need to improve further but which part of a long term project do you not understand ? Building a team takes time unfortunately not everyone understands that, look at Liverpool now, Klopp needed time to create the current side it doesn't happen overnight
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Post by markczgas on Feb 1, 2020 23:55:14 GMT
Well said topper at least there are a few of us on here that can see that garner is not up to the job this may hold the record for any new managers start at a club never mind just us What absolute nonsense, if you can't see an improvement from the opening 30 mins today then you aren't watching the same game as the rest of us. Of course we need to improve further but which part of a long term project do you not understand ? Building a team takes time unfortunately not everyone understands that, look at Liverpool now, Klopp needed time to create the current side it doesn't happen overnight maybe he doesn't actually go to the games. I think there are a few on here like that - don't go or hardly go but slag off the owner/manager/players.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 0:00:06 GMT
Well said topper at least there are a few of us on here that can see that garner is not up to the job this may hold the record for any new managers start at a club never mind just us What absolute nonsense, if you can't see an improvement from the opening 30 mins today then you aren't watching the same game as the rest of us. Of course we need to improve further but which part of a long term project do you not understand ? Building a team takes time unfortunately not everyone understands that, look at Liverpool now, Klopp needed time to create the current side it doesn't happen overnight With respect Klopp wouldn’t have been given the time if he hadn’t won in 11. Everyone needs time to build a team, but part of that is that you show competence to earn more time with the odd win here and there. Garner has nothing but a load of hard luck stories to his name after 11 games. One wonders how long that run can go on for.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 2, 2020 8:42:24 GMT
What absolute nonsense, if you can't see an improvement from the opening 30 mins today then you aren't watching the same game as the rest of us. Of course we need to improve further but which part of a long term project do you not understand ? Building a team takes time unfortunately not everyone understands that, look at Liverpool now, Klopp needed time to create the current side it doesn't happen overnight With respect Klopp wouldn’t have been given the time if he hadn’t won in 11. Everyone needs time to build a team, but part of that is that you show competence to earn more time with the odd win here and there. Garner has nothing but a load of hard luck stories to his name after 11 games. One wonders how long that run can go on for. That's a fair comment and I completely understand that ultimately it's results that count. However we are improving up until Coventry scored yesterday was the best I've seen us play under Garner & he was honest enough in his interview to admit that we needed wins rather than hard luck stories. I honestly do think that given time he'll produce a team worth watching
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Post by xenongas on Feb 2, 2020 9:45:38 GMT
If you want to know what sort of players you need to play the passing game then look no further than Coventry. Hyam, Walsh(should be playing in the championship), Dabo and O’Hare were the stand out players. The others just did their jobs effectively and without fuss. To be like that we need to lose players like Craig, Ollie, Upson and Rodman. They are not good enough to play that kind of football. Craig not strong enough, not fast enough and doesn’t pass well enough. Ollie doesn’t work hard enough, doesn’t make the right decisions quick enough or well enough. Upson not strong enough and lacks the desired creativity and isn’t the box to box type you need. Rodman, L2 quality at best. Never attacks his man let alone beats him and final delivery not good enough. I’m hoping Ben has recruited the correct players to put this into effect. Can you honestly see two young strikers are going to replace OC and Upson, I can't see what BG's trying to achieve and I fear he hasn't a clue himself and he's turned into another tinkerman. Tuesday he played Kilgore at right back today he was left CB, with Rodman, who's also been a winger all his career, back at RWB with Little still benched. Ogogo who's probably out stand out CM benched for some odd reason for Upson and OC, then the former gets an early booking meaning he lost the ability to tackle. Upfront M-L and Ginnelly seemed to spend most of the first half trying to work out who was playing on the left and who was right on the right. Meanwhile JCH cuts a frustrated figure upfront on his own. I can't work out what Garner's favoured formation is, is it 5-2-2-1 or 4-3-2-1, does he even know himself, what formation is he going to plump for at Wycombe? Original post: -Craig is there for the benefit of the young heads either side of him. He wasn't bought for athleticism! -Harsh on OC workrate but spot on with decision making point. -I agree Upson isn't box to box, I think he is a deeper lying player than that. And is out of form right now. -Rodman has other useful attributes, he is a good threat in the air. I'm not sure if being played out of position has reduced his willingness to dribble at players. Reply post: -Kilgour isn't a right back. That was a failed experiment for temporary right back cover. -Rodman has played RWB all season under all our managers. -Little is injury prone and not impressive. -Ogogo has very recently had some odd health issues so he is being managed accordingly. -One point for Upson analysis. -When two attacking players are playing off a central man, it is normal for them to switch sides often. In fact, it is encouraged a lot of the time. -I thought JCH cut a happier (within the JCH frustration spectrum) figure yesterday as he had runners to play with and wasn't as isolated as he has been. -Formation wise BG hasn't changed that much. Still 3 centre backs with wing backs. Still JCH up top. Still packing central midfield with deep lying players. The major change is the attackers playing off the front man. We now have players willing to run at defences. I think they are capable of running onto JCH flicks in behind but this is an area of improvement for them. Using bullet points for quick replies to individual points whilst I take my morning movement.
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Post by brads213 on Feb 2, 2020 10:04:31 GMT
What absolute nonsense, if you can't see an improvement from the opening 30 mins today then you aren't watching the same game as the rest of us. Of course we need to improve further but which part of a long term project do you not understand ? Building a team takes time unfortunately not everyone understands that, look at Liverpool now, Klopp needed time to create the current side it doesn't happen overnight maybe he doesn't actually go to the games. I think there are a few on here like that - don't go or hardly go but slag off the owner/manager/players. I travel nearly 300 miles round trip for a home game it costs me a lot of money so I feel I am more than entitled to express my opinion, and this season I have missed 3 league games home and away, bet there are not many who can say that
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