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Post by stuartcampbell on Jun 7, 2020 15:29:19 GMT
It's just been pulled down. I for one hope it gets put back up. No one learns from history by trying to hide it. Quite an awful point. Statues that idolise slave traders aren't particularly for historical benefit.
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 15:30:07 GMT
Got yer wish then, did it run round yer house in a manic state cheering and w**king at yet another piece of history consigned to the bin. Yet another thing that can be glossed over to pretend it didn't happen. Now get yer mates to destroy every almshouse, school or university building or any thing connected with slavery, storm the museum and destroy the records they have there, maybe just maybe people will finally be able to get rid of the false guilt they feel as it never happened then did it. If i had my way every person there would be made to pay for the statue under the proceeds of crime act, just so they would lose everything,
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 15:32:46 GMT
It's just been pulled down. I for one hope it gets put back up. No one learns from history by trying to hide it. Quite an awful point. Statues that idolise slave traders aren't particularly for historical benefit. Whether it idolises is a projection of your imagination- it can just as easily revile.
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Post by inee on Jun 7, 2020 15:33:13 GMT
It's a beautiful day, the sun is shining and great events have occurred today. A statue I have been pushing to take down for years has been ripped from its pedestal and stamped on by the people. A statue that idolised a person who built his entire fortune off of slave trading hundreds of thousands of black people back in his day. The statue shouldn't have been there to begin with. And that's why it's been torn down. Happy to say I witnessed it in person. nope his entire fortune was not made from slavery, i do wish people would check stuff before posting but hey it wouldn't fit in with your agenda would it, in your opinion shouldn't everything he spent anything on be destroyed as well, just remember isis took the same stance and destroyed history wherever they went
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Post by stuartcampbell on Jun 7, 2020 15:33:56 GMT
Maybe a lot of people on this feed may recognise that there is a vast difference between statues that idolise slave traders, and buildings that were built due to that slave trader's money. There is a clear difference. We are willing to accept that Colston's Hall exists and a lot of modern culture and society throughout the world is built on the back of racial hatred and slavery. What is not acceptable is statues that idolise these slave traders and portray them as heroes of some sort. Pure and holy human beings.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 7, 2020 15:36:34 GMT
It's a beautiful day, the sun is shining and great events have occurred today. A statue I have been pushing to take down for years has been ripped from its pedestal and stamped on by the people. A statue that idolised a person who built his entire fortune off of slave trading hundreds of thousands of black people back in his day. The statue shouldn't have been there to begin with. And that's why it's been torn down. Happy to say I witnessed it in person. Should it ever have gone up. Probably not, but 120 years ago things were different As for tearing it down, i still dont agree with it. Just because a statue was put up to celebrate someone years ago doesnt mean it serves the same purpose now and cant mean something else now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 15:36:42 GMT
Bristol was not founded on slavery. If you take the money from slavery out of the city you are sending it back to the dark ages. Now you are making it up
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 7, 2020 15:36:57 GMT
So my question is this...can we now all tear down things in the city of Bristol that we object to?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 15:39:00 GMT
365 "Far better imo to switch the emphasis on such wording as to stress that the statue serves as an educational tool for people to be kind to *everyone* so that such exploitation and profit from human life never takes place again." Al "Exactly" Ok, given 200 years have passed (roughly) since that period of slavery What education has taken place since then that has informed subsequent generations that exploitation is wrong and to be resisted? And where specifically have subsequent generations used this knowledge to resist exploitation? If in doubt, or struggling for an answer, what's your opinion of us in Africa since WW2? “The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago. The second best time is today” So, it hasnt happened? And, if it starts to happen by one section of the community then....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 15:39:18 GMT
Maybe a lot of people on this feed may recognise that there is a vast difference between statues that idolise slave traders, and buildings that were built due to that slave trader's money. There is a clear difference. We are willing to accept that Colston's Hall exists and a lot of modern culture and society throughout the world is built on the back of racial hatred and slavery. What is not acceptable is statues that idolise these slave traders and portray them as heroes of some sort. Pure and holy human beings. With respect that reads like a very convenient rationalisation- you want to tacitly keep the good bits but get rid of the ugly side. Slave money is slave money at the end of the day. I struggle to understand why people who want to tear down statues would live in the city at all to be honest. Seems massively hypocritical
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Post by stuartcampbell on Jun 7, 2020 15:39:34 GMT
Got yer wish then, did it run round yer house in a manic state cheering and w**king at yet another piece of history consigned to the bin. Yet another thing that can be glossed over to pretend it didn't happen. Now get yer mates to destroy every almshouse, school or university building or any thing connected with slavery, storm the museum and destroy the records they have there, maybe just maybe people will finally be able to get rid of the false guilt they feel as it never happened then did it. If i had my way every person there would be made to pay for the statue under the proceeds of crime act, just so they would lose everything, It's great that your way won't occur then. I'm sure if Germany resurrected an Adolf Hitler statue you would go absolutely manick. There is a clear and cut line between those who deserve statues and those who certainly do not. Edward Colston falls very heavily into the "not" category. A man whose whole life revolved around causing misery to black people. University buildings very clearly don't idolise Edward Colston, statues do. It's absolutely bonkers to me that anyone would see taking down the statue of a slave trader as anything but a good thing. I'm sure these people would have been the same to support Enoch Powell or Oswald Mosley decades back, or dismiss the overall message of a movement due to violence just like people did with Martin Luther King in the 60s.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 15:40:42 GMT
It's a beautiful day, the sun is shining and great events have occurred today. A statue I have been pushing to take down for years has been ripped from its pedestal and stamped on by the people. A statue that idolised a person who built his entire fortune off of slave trading hundreds of thousands of black people back in his day. The statue shouldn't have been there to begin with. And that's why it's been torn down. Happy to say I witnessed it in person. Brave of you to come on here and openly declare that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 15:42:40 GMT
“The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago. The second best time is today” So, it hasnt happened? And, if it starts to happen by one section of the community then.... I don’t know if it has happened, I haven’t lived in Bristol for a bloody long time so I have no idea what they teach kids these days! I am just saying that if it were down to me (and that’s the key point) I would keep the statue but make it mandatory that kids should learn about Bristol’s role in the slave trade as a means of promoting tolerance, that way some good may come of it.
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Post by stuartcampbell on Jun 7, 2020 15:42:50 GMT
It's a beautiful day, the sun is shining and great events have occurred today. A statue I have been pushing to take down for years has been ripped from its pedestal and stamped on by the people. A statue that idolised a person who built his entire fortune off of slave trading hundreds of thousands of black people back in his day. The statue shouldn't have been there to begin with. And that's why it's been torn down. Happy to say I witnessed it in person. Should it ever have gone up. Probably not, but 120 years ago things were different As for tearing it down, i still dont agree with it. Just because a statue was put up to celebrate someone years ago doesnt mean it serves the same purpose now and cant mean something else now. What else would a statue that idolises someone who built the vast majority of his wealth on the trade and exploitation of slaves mean?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 15:46:15 GMT
So my question is this...can we now all tear down things in the city of Bristol that we object to? Where would you start?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 15:46:38 GMT
So, it hasnt happened? And, if it starts to happen by one section of the community then.... I don’t know if it has happened, I haven’t lived in Bristol for a bloody long time so I have no idea what they teach kids these days! I am just saying that if it were down to me (and that’s the key point) I would keep the statue but make it mandatory that kids should learn about Bristol’s role in the slave trade as a means of promoting tolerance, that way some good may come of it. I agree. So we would agree that slavery is shameful and we would teach our kids that it's shameful?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 15:47:02 GMT
Should it ever have gone up. Probably not, but 120 years ago things were different As for tearing it down, i still dont agree with it. Just because a statue was put up to celebrate someone years ago doesnt mean it serves the same purpose now and cant mean something else now. What else would a statue that idolises someone who built the vast majority of his wealth on the trade and exploitation of slaves mean? It’s only you who is using the term “idolises”, you don’t have a monopoly on objective reality.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 15:48:37 GMT
Should it ever have gone up. Probably not, but 120 years ago things were different As for tearing it down, i still dont agree with it. Just because a statue was put up to celebrate someone years ago doesnt mean it serves the same purpose now and cant mean something else now. What else would a statue that idolises someone who built the vast majority of his wealth on the trade and exploitation of slaves mean? It could, should, be used as a tool to teach our kids the detail of a shameful period in our history. Then we can move on to the next shameful period to teach.
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Post by stuartcampbell on Jun 7, 2020 15:50:07 GMT
Maybe a lot of people on this feed may recognise that there is a vast difference between statues that idolise slave traders, and buildings that were built due to that slave trader's money. There is a clear difference. We are willing to accept that Colston's Hall exists and a lot of modern culture and society throughout the world is built on the back of racial hatred and slavery. What is not acceptable is statues that idolise these slave traders and portray them as heroes of some sort. Pure and holy human beings. With respect that reads like a very convenient rationalisation- you want to tacitly keep the good bits but get rid of the ugly side. Slave money is slave money at the end of the day. I struggle to understand why people who want to tear down statues would live in the city at all to be honest. Seems massively hypocritical A statue is easily removable. It's easily unusable. It's literally just there for decorative purposes. Of course you have to recognise Bristol's deep and dark racist history because it's obviously true that Bristol was built on the back of the exploitation of thousands of people just due to the colour of their skin. No one is asking for Edward Colston's name to be taken out of the history pages, hell, I personally don't have an issue with Colston School and Colston Hall being named after him, even though it's very changeable, because he is a central part of the city's history. But he is a clear example of the ugly side of this country's history. Our school system and culture does a very good job at hiding the hundreds of years of atrocities the Empire committed, so it's no wonder that I'm sure many people know the name "Colston" but are complete oblivious to how Mr. Colston accrued his wealth.
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Post by stuartcampbell on Jun 7, 2020 15:51:42 GMT
It's a beautiful day, the sun is shining and great events have occurred today. A statue I have been pushing to take down for years has been ripped from its pedestal and stamped on by the people. A statue that idolised a person who built his entire fortune off of slave trading hundreds of thousands of black people back in his day. The statue shouldn't have been there to begin with. And that's why it's been torn down. Happy to say I witnessed it in person. Brave of you to come on here and openly declare that. May be twisting the truth on that somewhat. Regardless, I was there in spirit.
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