George Floyd - America so f**ked up

Oh I do, I try to keep an open mind on these things. I find people tend to arrive at a conclusion of racism and work backwards rather than evaluating the evidence and drawing a conclusion. In fact in the George Floyd case the video shows no overt evidence of racism and yet everyone has concluded it was a racist act simply because it’s a white cop and a black civilian and all police are racist. Two significant leaps of the imagination.

It's a Harvard study, CNN are simply reporting it lol.

I'm not sure you're preferred propaganda outlet will touch it.

Truth is most people believe what they want to wether it's true or not, very few have critical skills.

The question is why are certain ethnic groups committing more crimes?

Yeah, Asians are economic migrants to America, so many moved there with family & financial aid to start new lives successfully. On a whole they still have their own communities that exist on the fringe of white culture, but rarely upset it.

Africans were enslaved and forced into the American system, not yet truely accepted in to the American way of life, seen as lower class and treated accordingly.

You don't want to listen to the academics who deal with facts, i.e Glenn Loury and Thomas Sowell who also happen to be Black just because you deem them "Conservative", who are tenured professors of economics at Harvard and senior fellows at the Hoover institution.

Funny how you now want to take a shoddy report from CNN as the gospel.

The truth is right there in front of you, staring you in the face, but you've admitted that you wont listen to it.

I'll ask you again, where do you get all this false and fake information from?

Yes slavery happened. That has literally no bearing on modern day America. Why do you think it does? Have you even been to America? A country that had a president of Black heritage for 8 years.

A country that has Black Mayors, Black Senators, Black Commisioners, Black Police Chiefs etc, the people that run the majority of the major cities in the USA are Black.

They really are not seen as lower class.

I haven't denied that there is poverty, but to just put down to oppression is absolutely absurd and completely fake news.

As I said before, I look at the evidence.

This is the problem, especially with Social Media, that people lap up nonsense which have no basis on reality, people would rather listen to Lebron James, Jay Z and the god awful Cardi B, than highly intelligent, hugely educated academics like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Larry Elder, Glenn Loury, Coleman Hughes etc, in fact they completely ignore the facts given to them by these guy's just because they deem them "Conservative".

Here's a quote from Thomas Sowell “If we wanted to be serious about evidence, we might compare where blacks stood a hundred years after the end of slavery with where they stood after 30 years of the liberal welfare state. In other words, we could compare hard evidence on “the legacy of slavery” with hard evidence on the legacy of liberals"

In 1965, 78% of Black children were being raised in two-parent families(Nucleur family Structure) fast forward 55 years and 66% of Black Children are raised in single parent households. Organisations like BLM, in their manifesto they openly state that they want to disrupt the nucleur family structure, which effects and will continue to effect Black Americans more than anybody else, just going by facts. It's a complete oxymoron.

The No. 1 problem among Blacks Americans is the effects stemming from a weak family structure. Children from fatherless homes are likelier to drop out of high school, die by suicide, have behaviour disorders, join gangs, commit crimes and end up in prison. They are also likelier to live in poverty-stricken households. Like I mentioned above In 1965, just 22 percent of Black children were raised in single-parent families. 55 years later, nearly 70 percent of Black children were raised in single-parent families. The evidence suggests that the increase in single-parent Black families after 1965 isn't a legacy of slavery, oppression or systemic racism but actually a legacy of the welfare state ushered in by the "War on Poverty". Again it's a complete oxymoron.

The Welfare state has a lot to answer for, for everybody, let alone Blacks.

The most damage done to Black Americans is inflicted by "Liberals", "Social Justice warriors", "Virtue Signallers", "Civil Rights Activists" and Left politicians who assert that every problem confronting Blacks is a result of a legacy of slavery and discrimination. That's a vision that guarantees perpetuity for the problems.

Some of the most dangerous big cities are which i've already mentioned Baltimore, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, St. Louis etc, all have a common characteristic, they all have Black majority populations and have all been run by Democrats for decades, On top of this they all have either Black mayors, Blacks that dominate city councils, Black chiefs of police and superintendents of schools to boot.

Democratic-controlled cities have the poorest-quality public education despite having the largest school budgets.

Violent crime and poor education is not the only problem for Democratic-controlled cities. Because of high crime, poor schools and a less pleasant environment, cities are losing their economic base and their most productive people in droves.

These same "Liberals", "Social Justice warriors", "Virtue Signallers", "Civil Rights Activists" and Left politicians blame the exodus on racism — “white flight” to the suburbs to avoid Blacks. But Blacks have been fleeing some cities at higher rates than whites. It turns out that blacks, like whites, want better and safer schools for their kids and don’t like to be mugged, have their property vandalised, stabbed, shot or killed, and like white people, if they have the means, black people cannot wait to leave troubled cities.

The poorest area in America is West Virginia/Southern Ohio which is literally 100% White.

You may claim that it is not party political, but if look at the evidence and the facts, then it actually is. I am somebody that doesn't have a leaning either way in American Politics. 

All I am saying is that this notion that Black Americans live in a society where they are still oppressed, not accepted in the American way of life and seen as lower class citizens is absolute poppycock.

Ooh now you’ll have touched a nerve. The nuclear family is the enemy of liberal ideology and decades of liberalism have been spent detaching the need for the traditional family structure, mainly through the welfare state taking over the role of the father/provider.

"The No.1 problem among Black Americans is the effects stemming from a weak family structure"

There in lies the problem, It's not just my opinion, it's fact, based on evidence. It's one of the only things which pretty much every Black American will agree on, regardless of their political leaning, from Jay Z to Thomas Sowell, from Barack Obama to Candace Owens, Baltimore kid from the projects to Rich bloke from Windsor Hill, California(The wealthiest Black neighbourhood in America), C'mon Oldie.

I've asked a few times where do you get your information from, which you have failed to do so.

At least i've tried, i've quoted sources from Black Economists and Academics, one's that literally lived through Jim Crow, who were actually oppressed, but you don't want to listen to them, because they completely tear apart your narratives and mantra of what it's like as a Black person of modern day America.

You feel it's worth not engaging with me, for the very same reasons. Typical.

Here's one for you Oldie: I have read somewhere that the post Mortem report states that your hero Floyd wasn't murdered.

It was stated he died from a combination of hypertension and drug ingestion. There were no neck, vertebrae or muscle injuries found. None whatsoever and yet he was supposed to have had his throat mangled with a knee. The Pathologist aalso stated that if Floyd had been unable to beta the, he would have been able to repeatedly say "I can't breathe"

It`s a shame he was ever born.  The trouble he`s caused in life, and in death.

You heard somewhere?
Brilliant...as Gassy said earlier in this thread the lack of critical thinking generally is laughable, but this takes the biscuit.
The issue is not whether he was an upstanding individual, he without sin cast the first stone, the issue is police conduct and a culture that allows the police in the USA to act in that way.

I remind you as you are clearly incapable of basic comprehension.