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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 6:49:47 GMT
Haven’t seen BLM make any statement condemning the cold blooded shooting of two LA Police Officers, one a mother of a six year old child. Nice of protesters to stand outside of the hospital yelling ‘Hope they die” too. Classy. I guess this type of direct action is justified though? 2 BLM protesters were killed recently. 288 people have been killed by police since George Floyd. You didn't post about them being murdered, why now?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 9:27:15 GMT
Haven’t seen BLM make any statement condemning the cold blooded shooting of two LA Police Officers, one a mother of a six year old child. Nice of protesters to stand outside of the hospital yelling ‘Hope they die” too. Classy. I guess this type of direct action is justified though? 2 BLM protesters were killed recently. 288 people have been killed by police since George Floyd. You didn't post about them being murdered, why now? I thought you’d deflect. Can’t bring yourself to criticise the cold blooded attempted murder of two police officers? Tells us everything we need to know tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 10:08:08 GMT
Haven’t seen BLM make any statement condemning the cold blooded shooting of two LA Police Officers, one a mother of a six year old child. Nice of protesters to stand outside of the hospital yelling ‘Hope they die” too. Classy. I guess this type of direct action is justified though? I was waiting to see when this would be picked up by a few forums I browse that are usually foaming at the mouth over the white cop/black person stuff. Not a peep about it unsurprisingly. Nobody gives a sh** because it’s not in any way controversial.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 10:18:27 GMT
I should add that I don’t think it’s for BLM to comment really as it’s not a Black Death, so not their remit. They should (because of their name) take more interest in black people dying at the hands of other black people, but this is not their concern imo. But there is something to be said about how the peace and love ultra-woke don’t seem to have anything to say about this shooting though. As someone on Twitter pointed out, almost exactly 19 years ago first responders were the toast of America during the terrorist attack on America’s liberty, today Police are seen as lower than dirt in the eyes of the public and an incident like this passes without mention.
Incidents like this are like watering in the pool though- it ruins it for everyone else because American Police have even more justification for the use of weapons when you have nutcases on the streets who can do things like this. It inverts the narrative of black people being scared of Police, Police will be just as scared of black people if you can get crazed nutters doing stuff like this presumably as some sort of revenge attack for the current climate. If this guy gets picked up and is given “a few digs” during his arrest I wonder what the narrative will be? Will he be called a villain, or hailed as a hero?
Interesting times....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 10:51:01 GMT
I should add that I don’t think it’s for BLM to comment really as it’s not a Black Death, so not their remit. They should (because of their name) take more interest in black people dying at the hands of other black people, but this is not their concern imo. But there is something to be said about how the peace and love ultra-woke don’t seem to have anything to say about this shooting though. As someone on Twitter pointed out, almost exactly 19 years ago first responders were the toast of America during the terrorist attack on America’s liberty, today Police are seen as lower than dirt in the eyes of the public and an incident like this passes without mention. Incidents like this are like watering in the pool though- it ruins it for everyone else because American Police have even more justification for the use of weapons when you have nutcases on the streets who can do things like this. It inverts the narrative of black people being scared of Police, Police will be just as scared of black people if you can get crazed nutters doing stuff like this presumably as some sort of revenge attack for the current climate. If this guy gets picked up and is given “a few digs” during his arrest I wonder what the narrative will be? Will he be called a villain, or hailed as a hero? Interesting times.... I agree but perhaps BLM could regain some much lost credibility by taking a higher moral view here. By saying nothing there is probably (and correctly) an assumption that they don’t give a sh** about coppers dying and this is a legitimate way of progressing their cause. Strangely quiet on this thread this morning. Can’t think why that would be. Only Grover has stuck his head above the parapet and he chose not to condemn these ‘direct actions’.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Sept 14, 2020 11:04:47 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 14, 2020 11:11:02 GMT
Haven’t seen BLM make any statement condemning the cold blooded shooting of two LA Police Officers, one a mother of a six year old child. Nice of protesters to stand outside of the hospital yelling ‘Hope they die” too. Classy. I guess this type of direct action is justified though? 2 BLM protesters were killed recently. 288 people have been killed by police since George Floyd. You didn't post about them being murdered, why now? Thousands of Black people are killed each and every year by themselves. Where are BLM, or the Left, or the Mainstream Media? The week after George Floyd's death, more Black people were murdered by fellow Blacks in the South Side of Chicago over that weekend than in the whole previous decade. Where were BLM, or the Left, or the Mainstream Media? In certain US Cities, more Black babies are being aborted than being born due to Planned Parenthood. Where are BLM, or the Left, or the Mainstream Media? There are plenty more examples of this too. BLM couldn't give a flying f*ck about the majority of Black lives, that is abundantly clear, they just get all hyped over an incident that's as rare as being struck by lightning, yet they peddle all the propaganda and people lap it up. Just like they don't give a f*ck about the majority of Black Lives, they don't give a f*ck about any lives, certainly not Police, the less Police about the better in this sham of an organisations eye's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 11:12:18 GMT
I don’t think anyone is saying white people aren’t shot (they are and in similar circumstances to black people) the argument is the proportion, black people are shot disproportionately to the size of population. Does that automatically equate to racism? Nothing else could possibly be a factor?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 11:14:43 GMT
2 BLM protesters were killed recently. 288 people have been killed by police since George Floyd. You didn't post about them being murdered, why now? Thousands of Black people are killed each and every year by themselves. Where are BLM, or the Left, or the Mainstream Media? The week after George Floyd's death, more Black people were murdered by fellow Blacks in the South Side of Chicago over that weekend than in the whole previous decade. Where were BLM, or the Left, or the Mainstream Media? In certain US Cities, more Black babies are being aborted than being born due to Planned Parenthood. Where are BLM, or the Left, or the Mainstream Media? There are plenty more examples of this too. BLM couldn't give a flying f*ck about the majority of Black lives, that is abundantly clear, they just get all hyped over an incident that's as rare as being struck by lightning, yet they peddle all the propaganda and people lap it up. Just like they don't give a f*ck about the majority of Black Lives, they don't give a f*ck about any lives, certainly not Police, the less Police about the better in this sham of an organisations eye's. It really wateres the woke left off when I say this, so I’ll repeat it again just for fun: never mind the police, black people are most likely to die at the hands of other black people. Yet for all black lives matter, Black Lives Matter never seem to address that fact.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 14, 2020 11:58:11 GMT
Thousands of Black people are killed each and every year by themselves. Where are BLM, or the Left, or the Mainstream Media? The week after George Floyd's death, more Black people were murdered by fellow Blacks in the South Side of Chicago over that weekend than in the whole previous decade. Where were BLM, or the Left, or the Mainstream Media? In certain US Cities, more Black babies are being aborted than being born due to Planned Parenthood. Where are BLM, or the Left, or the Mainstream Media? There are plenty more examples of this too. BLM couldn't give a flying f*ck about the majority of Black lives, that is abundantly clear, they just get all hyped over an incident that's as rare as being struck by lightning, yet they peddle all the propaganda and people lap it up. Just like they don't give a f*ck about the majority of Black Lives, they don't give a f*ck about any lives, certainly not Police, the less Police about the better in this sham of an organisations eye's. It really wateres the woke left off when I say this, so I’ll repeat it again just for fun: never mind the police, black people are most likely to die at the hands of other black people. Yet for all black lives matter, Black Lives Matter never seem to address that fact. BLM doesn't address anything. Of course there's racism, there are individuals who dislike other people because of their race, no question about it. There are people who don't like Blacks, don't like Whites, don't like Hispanics, don't like Native Americans, don't like Asians, don't like Jews etc, whether you like it or not, you are allowed to not like people, it may be vile, odious or unpleasant , but you're allowed to, as long as it's within the law and you don't harm anybody But the narrative from organisations like BLM, the Left and the Mainstream Media that Blacks are still oppressed, that Systemic or institutional Racism is rife, that Police brutality is disproportionately aimed at Blacks, they are hunted down and murdered by the Police, and that Blacks are incarcerated for no reason is absolute bullshit in modern day America. All I do is ask for evidence, where is the evidence that Blacks are oppressed? Systemic or Institutional Racism? Where are the corporations or organisations that have a policy of not hiring Blacks? Are there Government agencies that have a policy of not hiring Blacks? The answer is no, again all I ask for is evidence, give me some examples or give me some names, and then we can deal with it. Nobody can though, because again it's made up bullshit. If it was 1950's America then I might get it, but not in 2020, it's no longer the case. The racism that people talk about now is individual stuff, where some individual doesn't like somebody, but is it anything like what Blacks were experiencing in the 50's and 60's? No, in fact it's gone full circle, where some universities have Black and POC(Who invented that term?) only meetings, seminars, video calls and other spaces. Martin Luther King will be spinning in his grave, so much for being judged on your character, not the colour of your skin. The only way to deal with this is tell the truth and deal with facts, unfortunately BLM, the Left and the Mainstream Media don't. Until BLM deal with facts and the truth and be honest then it will always be a sham.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 12:38:52 GMT
What's the source for your numbers? I quoted the American census. Those are the declared facts. Yours? My numbers are also readily available from the U.S. Census Bureau, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage Well that's strange The numbers I put up are straight from the last census. That clearly shows that Afro Americans are bottom of the median income table. That's median Then taking Baltimore as an example (I concede that this City maybe a worse case example) 62.5% of inner city dwellers are Afro American and 100% are eligible for free school meals. As the median income is above the income line to qualify, your numbers do not stack up. You are either wrong, misinterpreting or playing with numbers to suit your viewpoint.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 14, 2020 13:21:37 GMT
My numbers are also readily available from the U.S. Census Bureau, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage Well that's strange The numbers I put up are straight from the last census. That clearly shows that Afro Americans are bottom of the median income table. That's median Then taking Baltimore as an example (I concede that this City maybe a worse case example) 62.5% of inner city dwellers are Afro American and 100% are eligible for free school meals. As the median income is above the income line to qualify, your numbers do not stack up. You are either wrong, misinterpreting or playing with numbers to suit your viewpoint. It isn't strange Oldie. The numbers I put up are straight from the U. S census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance coverage. I didn't say that Blacks were not bottom of the median income table. What I actually said was that 65% of Black Americans fall into the American Middle Class, which granted is pretty vague, as according to the U.S Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and health Insurance Coverage, The Pew Institute and others, the American Middle Class is made up of people making somewhere between $40,000 and $100,000. There is a massive range of definitions of what "Middle Class" is, from wholly subjective opinions or specific measures as listed in the sources i've already given. In Baltimore, yes 62.5% of Baltimores population is Black, but the 30% White population of Baltimore are also eligible for those same school meals. It's a Democratic "Initiative", I use that term loosely, in Baltimore, a City that has a Black Mayor, Black Comptroller, Black President of the City Council, Black State Attorney etc, etc. It isn't just a Black issue in Baltimore, just because the majority of the population is Black, where 99.9% of the people running Baltimore are Black as well. I am not misinterpreting or playing with numbers. If you think i'm wrong, then that's up to you, but all the evidence points that I am not wrong at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 13:37:30 GMT
Well that's strange The numbers I put up are straight from the last census. That clearly shows that Afro Americans are bottom of the median income table. That's median Then taking Baltimore as an example (I concede that this City maybe a worse case example) 62.5% of inner city dwellers are Afro American and 100% are eligible for free school meals. As the median income is above the income line to qualify, your numbers do not stack up. You are either wrong, misinterpreting or playing with numbers to suit your viewpoint. It isn't strange Oldie. The numbers I put up are straight from the U. S census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance coverage. I didn't say that Blacks were not bottom of the median income table. What I actually said was that 65% of Black Americans fall into the American Middle Class, which granted is pretty vague, as according to the U.S Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and health Insurance Coverage, The Pew Institute and others, the American Middle Class is made up of people making somewhere between $40,000 and $100,000. There is a massive range of definitions of what "Middle Class" is, from wholly subjective opinions or specific measures as listed in the sources i've already given. In Baltimore, yes 62.5% of Baltimores population is Black, but the 30% White population of Baltimore are also eligible for those same school meals. It's a Democratic "Initiative", I use that term loosely, in Baltimore, a City that has a Black Mayor, Black Comptroller, Black President of the City Council, Black State Attorney etc, etc. It isn't just a Black issue in Baltimore, just because the majority of the population is Black, where 99.9% of the people running Baltimore are Black as well. I am not misinterpreting or playing with numbers. If you think i'm wrong, then that's up to you, but all the evidence points that I am not wrong at all. Mathematically If the median is $40k plus per annum then to achieve that a lot will be below that median and some higher to drag the average upwards. For example help.alteryx.com/current/Reference/RangeMedian.htm
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 14, 2020 13:54:29 GMT
It isn't strange Oldie. The numbers I put up are straight from the U. S census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance coverage. I didn't say that Blacks were not bottom of the median income table. What I actually said was that 65% of Black Americans fall into the American Middle Class, which granted is pretty vague, as according to the U.S Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and health Insurance Coverage, The Pew Institute and others, the American Middle Class is made up of people making somewhere between $40,000 and $100,000. There is a massive range of definitions of what "Middle Class" is, from wholly subjective opinions or specific measures as listed in the sources i've already given. In Baltimore, yes 62.5% of Baltimores population is Black, but the 30% White population of Baltimore are also eligible for those same school meals. It's a Democratic "Initiative", I use that term loosely, in Baltimore, a City that has a Black Mayor, Black Comptroller, Black President of the City Council, Black State Attorney etc, etc. It isn't just a Black issue in Baltimore, just because the majority of the population is Black, where 99.9% of the people running Baltimore are Black as well. I am not misinterpreting or playing with numbers. If you think i'm wrong, then that's up to you, but all the evidence points that I am not wrong at all. Mathematically If the median is $40k plus per annum then to achieve that a lot will be below that median and some higher to drag the average upwards. For example help.alteryx.com/current/Reference/RangeMedian.htmI haven't said otherwise. Of course that's how the median(Average) works. White's are not top of the median table, people in the US of Asian heritage outperform them and everybody else in pretty much every way, whether it's income, Academic achievements, or anything else. If the US was such a systemically or institutionally racist society where people of different races are oppressed, then how are Asians able to flourish? Again we need to deal with facts, White people are not disproportionately killing Blacks, the Police are not either, the same level of opportunity is available for them as anybody else. We need to stop with these fake notions, false narratives and damn right lie's regarding Black people in modern day America, and in this country as well. That link you posted, doesn't work by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 16:58:57 GMT
It isn't strange Oldie. The numbers I put up are straight from the U. S census Bureau, Income, Poverty and Health Insurance coverage. I didn't say that Blacks were not bottom of the median income table. What I actually said was that 65% of Black Americans fall into the American Middle Class, which granted is pretty vague, as according to the U.S Census Bureau, Income, Poverty and health Insurance Coverage, The Pew Institute and others, the American Middle Class is made up of people making somewhere between $40,000 and $100,000. There is a massive range of definitions of what "Middle Class" is, from wholly subjective opinions or specific measures as listed in the sources i've already given. In Baltimore, yes 62.5% of Baltimores population is Black, but the 30% White population of Baltimore are also eligible for those same school meals. It's a Democratic "Initiative", I use that term loosely, in Baltimore, a City that has a Black Mayor, Black Comptroller, Black President of the City Council, Black State Attorney etc, etc. It isn't just a Black issue in Baltimore, just because the majority of the population is Black, where 99.9% of the people running Baltimore are Black as well. I am not misinterpreting or playing with numbers. If you think i'm wrong, then that's up to you, but all the evidence points that I am not wrong at all. Mathematically If the median is $40k plus per annum then to achieve that a lot will be below that median and some higher to drag the average upwards. For example help.alteryx.com/current/Reference/RangeMedian.htmA good read for you oldie, probably nothing you didn't already know. Can't believe that people are still so ignorant to ignore institutional racism. edition.cnn.com/2020/09/12/us/harvard-racial-disparity-criminal-justice-trnd/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_term=link&utm_content=2020-09-13T00%3A28%3A03&utm_source=twCNN
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 14, 2020 17:37:31 GMT
From CNN. Left wing propaganda at its finest. As I've already pointed out in this thread, it's true that the average sentence given to Blacks is more than Whites, but it's also true that the average Black criminal has a longer criminal record than the average White criminal. When it comes to the sentencing, they take into account your criminal record, the severity of the crime, etc, etc Again we need to look at the facts, Black people in America commit a lot more violent crime, you just need to look at the homicide statistics. The higher sentences are also down to drug offences which have always been severe, which Black people commit more of. This notion that Black people are just chucked in jail for nothing and they are given longer sentences just for the hell of it is absolute bullshit. More White criminals as a % are incarcerated far more than Asians, why is that? Maybe because Asian Americans are low on every single crime statistic and don't commit these crimes at the same level as other races. Asian Americans outperform everybody else in pretty much every sector as well. Must be institutional racism? Of course. Cmon let's deal with the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 18:45:49 GMT
From CNN. Left wing propaganda at its finest. As I've already pointed out in this thread, it's true that the average sentence given to Blacks is more than Whites, but it's also true that the average Black criminal has a longer criminal record than the average White criminal. When it comes to the sentencing, they take into account your criminal record, the severity of the crime, etc, etc Again we need to look at the facts, Black people in America commit a lot more violent crime, you just need to look at the homicide statistics. The higher sentences are also down to drug offences which have always been severe, which Black people commit more of. This notion that Black people are just chucked in jail for nothing and they are given longer sentences just for the hell of it is absolute bullshit. More White criminals as a % are incarcerated far more than Asians, why is that? Maybe because Asian Americans are low on every single crime statistic and don't commit these crimes at the same level as other races. Asian Americans outperform everybody else in pretty much every sector as well. Must be institutional racism? Of course. Cmon let's deal with the facts. Or Maybe... The economics of the current wealth creation model, income distribution, gives a clue. For example flip.it/tNOTjB
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 20:03:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 20:50:18 GMT
Who says it never happens? Btw. Any comment on the ambush and cold blooded shooting of the two LA Police Officers? Justified ‘direct action’ for the cause?
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 14, 2020 21:00:44 GMT
Who the hell has said that 'It never happens'? You just made that up.
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