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Post by baggins on Sept 20, 2020 13:29:45 GMT
Ok, you read it. Would have helped if you provided the link so we could all read it. If you can remember where? But like I said in my response to Eric, the lifestyle led by Floyd is not the issue here, it's the actions of the police. The rest of your post is irrelevant,incoherent drivel. You seem to love the word “incoherent” - frankly I find some of your postings obnoxious & drivel - you are clearly a narcissist. The Latin ‘cogitat improvida’ seems a appropriate phrase to describe you. Obnoxious & drivel? Spend an hour back at page 1. This thread is full of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 14:04:06 GMT
Eric
Conjecture. But given the historical mistrust in the authorities I can fully understand the family wanting to double check. Is that not their right?
Goodness me Eric. Are you saying now that there is not due process in the States? That DA's office would not have fully investigated the event, sought medical opinion, taken the autopsy into consideration when making and maintaining a charge of manslaughter? You may choose to not believe the facts in the public domain
I would love to know the medical premise upon which you make that conclusion....
Except of course when Blueridge attacked the CPS for not prosecuting the officers who shot the Brazilian during the bombing outrage, I defended the police and the decision to not prosecute them. So its just a lazy slur on your part Eric, devoid of fact and reality
On the contrary Eric it is you, and others, who are speculating and making it up based upon your own biases.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 14:07:27 GMT
Ok, you read it. Would have helped if you provided the link so we could all read it. If you can remember where? But like I said in my response to Eric, the lifestyle led by Floyd is not the issue here, it's the actions of the police. The rest of your post is irrelevant,incoherent drivel. You seem to love the word “incoherent” - frankly I find some of your postings obnoxious & drivel - you are clearly a narcissist. The Latin ‘cogitat improvida’ seems a appropriate phrase to describe you. Perhaps you would like to quote me when making those kind of accusations, as I quote you, Eric and others when responding to them. You will not of course, because you cannot. |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 20, 2020 19:52:35 GMT
You’re right. But they do it because they’ve been told to. And the backlash, especially if they’re Non-white would be unbelievable. thats how these totalitarian Marxist organisations operate. Told or asked? Oh 'Asked' But in a very 'Told' kind of way. |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 20, 2020 20:03:42 GMT
Marxist mis-representation at it’s finest there Oldie. I didn’t say I had heard. I said I had read. I read an article outlining what I have put here. I don’t suppose it will prove to be very popular (the autopsy report, to give it its American title) because it doesn’t pander to the BLM agenda. They will all probably pretend it doesn’t exist, or say it is fake, etc etc. I don’t really care. What I say important to remember is that the Conservatives won a thumping 80 seat majority, and there are signs that ordinary people are getting watered off with all this BLM and woke crap. Why, we might even see the BBC defunded. Taking the Marxist left wing mouthpiece to task should do a lot of good for this country. Ok, you read it. Would have helped if you provided the link so we could all read it. If you can remember where? But like I said in my response to Eric, the lifestyle led by Floyd is not the issue here, it's the actions of the police. The rest of your post is irrelevant,incoherent drivel. Yes, I read the report, but I can't remember where I read it because I didn't think it would be given much provinence because it didn't read as required. However, if you google George Floyd autopsy there is a bit about the official finding and that he died from heart failure and that he was suffering from practically every disease known to man, as well as being under the influence of a cocktail of a number of classified drugs. There can be absolutely no doubt that Floyd was a complete and utter asshole who was arrested whilst attempting to commit a criminal offence. He put himself up for arrest, no-one forced him. The PM does mention no evidence of strangulation was found but the medical evidence was pretty much skated over because, as I say, it doesn't fit the agenda. Perhaps one day well -meaning people will wake up and realise they have been played by a sinister Marxist movement and withdraw unconditional support for BLM. Like many, I think that all races, creed and colour should be treated equally, but there are ways of achieving this which don't involve the total overthrow of society. And that is what the intention of these agitators is. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 21:06:49 GMT
Ok, you read it. Would have helped if you provided the link so we could all read it. If you can remember where? But like I said in my response to Eric, the lifestyle led by Floyd is not the issue here, it's the actions of the police. The rest of your post is irrelevant,incoherent drivel. Yes, I read the report, but I can't remember where I read it because I didn't think it would be given much provinence because it didn't read as required. However, if you google George Floyd autopsy there is a bit about the official finding and that he died from heart failure and that he was suffering from practically every disease known to man, as well as being under the influence of a cocktail of a number of classified drugs. There can be absolutely no doubt that Floyd was a complete and utter asshole who was arrested whilst attempting to commit a criminal offence. He put himself up for arrest, no-one forced him. The PM does mention no evidence of strangulation was found but the medical evidence was pretty much skated over because, as I say, it doesn't fit the agenda. Perhaps one day well -meaning people will wake up and realise they have been played by a sinister Marxist movement and withdraw unconditional support for BLM. Like many, I think that all races, creed and colour should be treated equally, but there are ways of achieving this which don't involve the total overthrow of society. And that is what the intention of these agitators is. You mean this one? "Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide. The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." Link from NPR (National Public Radio) www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/04/869278494/medical-examiners-autopsy-reveals-george-floyd-had-positive-test-for-coronavirus |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 21, 2020 13:36:52 GMT
Yes, I read the report, but I can't remember where I read it because I didn't think it would be given much provinence because it didn't read as required. However, if you google George Floyd autopsy there is a bit about the official finding and that he died from heart failure and that he was suffering from practically every disease known to man, as well as being under the influence of a cocktail of a number of classified drugs. There can be absolutely no doubt that Floyd was a complete and utter asshole who was arrested whilst attempting to commit a criminal offence. He put himself up for arrest, no-one forced him. The PM does mention no evidence of strangulation was found but the medical evidence was pretty much skated over because, as I say, it doesn't fit the agenda. Perhaps one day well -meaning people will wake up and realise they have been played by a sinister Marxist movement and withdraw unconditional support for BLM. Like many, I think that all races, creed and colour should be treated equally, but there are ways of achieving this which don't involve the total overthrow of society. And that is what the intention of these agitators is. You mean this one? "Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide. The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." Link from NPR (National Public Radio) www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/04/869278494/medical-examiners-autopsy-reveals-george-floyd-had-positive-test-for-coronavirusI don’t really care how the authorities have ruled his death. If it has been medically proved that the actions of the arresting officers didn’t cause his death through strangulation then he wasn’t strangled. Why don’t you get someone to strangle you to the point where you can’t breathe then repeatedly say “I can’t breathe” You won’t be able to do it. So I’m not going to be taken in by this faux declaration by the authorities because all they’re doing is pandering to BLM opinion. NOT public opinion, BLM opinion because they’re the Marxist assholes causing all the trouble. So, eventually the trial will come to court and murder charges will be ridiculed and thrown out. Because there is no evidence to support them. Then the authorities can shrug their shoulders and say we tried to get what you wanted, but the facts got in the way. And then America and the Antifa and BLM pricks over here will kick off again. And now to your reply. I attempted to be conciliatory with you in my last post. I needn’t have bothered because, as per usual, you put your finfers in your ears, your hands over your eyes and ignored everything I said. I know what the authorities over there have said and quite frankly I couldn’t give a flying f icky. Believe me, any attempt to prosecute those officers will fail. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 14:02:18 GMT
I don’t really care how the authorities have ruled his death. If it has been medically proved that the actions of the arresting officers didn’t cause his death through strangulation then he wasn’t strangled. Why don’t you get someone to strangle you to the point where you can’t breathe then repeatedly say “I can’t breathe” You won’t be able to do it. So I’m not going to be taken in by this faux declaration by the authorities because all they’re doing is pandering to BLM opinion. NOT public opinion, BLM opinion because they’re the Marxist assholes causing all the trouble. So, eventually the trial will come to court and murder charges will be ridiculed and thrown out. Because there is no evidence to support them. Then the authorities can shrug their shoulders and say we tried to get what you wanted, but the facts got in the way. And then America and the Antifa and BLM pricks over here will kick off again. And now to your reply. I attempted to be conciliatory with you in my last post. I needn’t have bothered because, as per usual, you put your finfers in your ears, your hands over your eyes and ignored everything I said. I know what the authorities over there have said and quite frankly I couldn’t give a flying f icky. Believe me, any attempt to prosecute those officers will fail. I will drops line to the DA's office, not sure they will drop due process though. Just saying...😂😂 |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 21, 2020 14:34:47 GMT
I don’t really care how the authorities have ruled his death. If it has been medically proved that the actions of the arresting officers didn’t cause his death through strangulation then he wasn’t strangled. Why don’t you get someone to strangle you to the point where you can’t breathe then repeatedly say “I can’t breathe” You won’t be able to do it. So I’m not going to be taken in by this faux declaration by the authorities because all they’re doing is pandering to BLM opinion. NOT public opinion, BLM opinion because they’re the Marxist assholes causing all the trouble. So, eventually the trial will come to court and murder charges will be ridiculed and thrown out. Because there is no evidence to support them. Then the authorities can shrug their shoulders and say we tried to get what you wanted, but the facts got in the way. And then America and the Antifa and BLM pricks over here will kick off again. And now to your reply. I attempted to be conciliatory with you in my last post. I needn’t have bothered because, as per usual, you put your finfers in your ears, your hands over your eyes and ignored everything I said. I know what the authorities over there have said and quite frankly I couldn’t give a flying f icky. Believe me, any attempt to prosecute those officers will fail. I will drops line to the DA's office, not sure they will drop due process though. Just saying...😂😂 Expect in American law as well. Your talents know no bounds. Lets hear it for Sleepy Joe. Oh, and by the way, The Conservatives did win the GE with a thumping 80 seat majority, and Leave did win the referendum and we left the EU in January, and will be out of their administrative sphere by next January. The fact that you are backing these BLM racist, bigoted lunatics brings me great comfort. It has been proved conclusively that you’re a sure fire loser backer. Please predict the winning lottery numbers for this week so I can be sure to ignore them. That will reduce the odds a bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 15:08:38 GMT
I will drops line to the DA's office, not sure they will drop due process though. Just saying...😂😂 Expect in American law as well. Your talents know no bounds. Lets hear it for Sleepy Joe. Oh, and by the way, The Conservatives did win the GE with a thumping 80 seat majority, and Leave did win the referendum and we left the EU in January, and will be out of their administrative sphere by next January. The fact that you are backing these BLM racist, bigoted lunatics brings me great comfort. It has been proved conclusively that you’re a sure fire loser backer. Please predict the winning lottery numbers for this week so I can be sure to ignore them. That will reduce the odds a bit. Done ranting? Have a lie down |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 21, 2020 15:23:09 GMT
I don’t really care how the authorities have ruled his death. If it has been medically proved that the actions of the arresting officers didn’t cause his death through strangulation then he wasn’t strangled. Why don’t you get someone to strangle you to the point where you can’t breathe then repeatedly say “I can’t breathe” You won’t be able to do it. So I’m not going to be taken in by this faux declaration by the authorities because all they’re doing is pandering to BLM opinion. NOT public opinion, BLM opinion because they’re the Marxist assholes causing all the trouble. So, eventually the trial will come to court and murder charges will be ridiculed and thrown out. Because there is no evidence to support them. Then the authorities can shrug their shoulders and say we tried to get what you wanted, but the facts got in the way. And then America and the Antifa and BLM pricks over here will kick off again. And now to your reply. I attempted to be conciliatory with you in my last post. I needn’t have bothered because, as per usual, you put your finfers in your ears, your hands over your eyes and ignored everything I said. I know what the authorities over there have said and quite frankly I couldn’t give a flying f icky. Believe me, any attempt to prosecute those officers will fail. even if they didn't kill him, it's not the point. Man was saying he couldn't breathe. What did the officer do to check on him or help him? What gives the officer the right to just stay on top of him like that for minute after minute, whilst a man is begging for help? George Floyd, might be a less than perfect case, but it was the one that made people stand up and say "enough is enough" |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 21, 2020 15:52:05 GMT
Re NFL Players Thats an awful slur on the players and coaches there. Its not true Yea, I'll take that back. They probably know the reason more than most of us. Perhaps you and Oldie could go and discuss this with Les Ferdinand. It it seems he’s seen through the reasons for taking the knee and is having nothing more to do with it. |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 21, 2020 15:57:42 GMT
Expect in American law as well. Your talents know no bounds. Lets hear it for Sleepy Joe. Oh, and by the way, The Conservatives did win the GE with a thumping 80 seat majority, and Leave did win the referendum and we left the EU in January, and will be out of their administrative sphere by next January. The fact that you are backing these BLM racist, bigoted lunatics brings me great comfort. It has been proved conclusively that you’re a sure fire loser backer. Please predict the winning lottery numbers for this week so I can be sure to ignore them. That will reduce the odds a bit. Done ranting? Have a lie down No ranting. Just a statement of complete fact. The stuff that frightens Marxists to death, so they pretend they don’t exist. Classic avoidance and diversionary tactics. So instead of making childish comments which question your intellect, disprove anything I wrote. Except for the lottery bit, that was obviously a joke. thank you. |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 21, 2020 16:04:43 GMT
I don’t really care how the authorities have ruled his death. If it has been medically proved that the actions of the arresting officers didn’t cause his death through strangulation then he wasn’t strangled. Why don’t you get someone to strangle you to the point where you can’t breathe then repeatedly say “I can’t breathe” You won’t be able to do it. So I’m not going to be taken in by this faux declaration by the authorities because all they’re doing is pandering to BLM opinion. NOT public opinion, BLM opinion because they’re the Marxist assholes causing all the trouble. So, eventually the trial will come to court and murder charges will be ridiculed and thrown out. Because there is no evidence to support them. Then the authorities can shrug their shoulders and say we tried to get what you wanted, but the facts got in the way. And then America and the Antifa and BLM pricks over here will kick off again. And now to your reply. I attempted to be conciliatory with you in my last post. I needn’t have bothered because, as per usual, you put your finfers in your ears, your hands over your eyes and ignored everything I said. I know what the authorities over there have said and quite frankly I couldn’t give a flying f icky. Believe me, any attempt to prosecute those officers will fail. even if they didn't kill him, it's not the point. Man was saying he couldn't breathe. What did the officer do to check on him or help him? What gives the officer the right to just stay on top of him like that for minute after minute, whilst a man is begging for help? George Floyd, might be a less than perfect case, but it was the one that made people stand up and say "enough is enough" Even if they didn’t kill him that’s not the point. If I were the officers defence team I think I’d call you to give evidence. “Hey Judge, I’ve got a Limey here says when you don’t kill someone you’re still guilty of murder” Seems like you’ve been reading up on Oldies Marxist handbook on how to start a demonstration and riot with no reason. Ill leave it there. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 16:24:25 GMT
even if they didn't kill him, it's not the point. Man was saying he couldn't breathe. What did the officer do to check on him or help him? What gives the officer the right to just stay on top of him like that for minute after minute, whilst a man is begging for help? George Floyd, might be a less than perfect case, but it was the one that made people stand up and say "enough is enough" Even if they didn’t kill him that’s not the point. If I were the officers defence team I think I’d call you to give evidence. “Hey Judge, I’ve got a Limey here says when you don’t kill someone you’re still guilty of murder” Seems like you’ve been reading up on Oldies Marxist handbook on how to start a demonstration and riot with no reason. Ill leave it there. Good Bye |
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Post by baggins on Sept 21, 2020 16:33:44 GMT
even if they didn't kill him, it's not the point. Man was saying he couldn't breathe. What did the officer do to check on him or help him? What gives the officer the right to just stay on top of him like that for minute after minute, whilst a man is begging for help? George Floyd, might be a less than perfect case, but it was the one that made people stand up and say "enough is enough" Even if they didn’t kill him that’s not the point. If I were the officers defence team I think I’d call you to give evidence. “Hey Judge, I’ve got a Limey here says when you don’t kill someone you’re still guilty of murder” Seems like you’ve been reading up on Oldies Marxist handbook on how to start a demonstration and riot with no reason. Ill leave it there. Thank God. |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 21, 2020 16:38:43 GMT
Even if they didn’t kill him that’s not the point. If I were the officers defence team I think I’d call you to give evidence. “Hey Judge, I’ve got a Limey here says when you don’t kill someone you’re still guilty of murder” Seems like you’ve been reading up on Oldies Marxist handbook on how to start a demonstration and riot with no reason. Ill leave it there. Thank God. And Les Ferdinand. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 16:56:17 GMT
Nobody is holding Floyd as a Martyr? Are you being serious?  I take it all these murals from Minneapolis to Manchester, from San Diego and Syria for a vile mass criminal are just figments of imagination? I take it the documentaries made about him weren't real either? I take it Sportsmen and Women, from the NFL, Premier League, F1 etc taking the knee for months on end, promoting the sham organisation that is BLM, having their logo and slogan blazoned across shirts, name dropping George Floyds name at every opportunity didn't really happen either. He is being lauded in the same way as great people like Martin Luther King. C'mon Oldie. I can't remember all this furore and faux outrage when a man named Tony Timpa died in similar circumstances while being detained by Police 4 years ago. These cases are extremely rare, but the Media making out as if it's a frequent occurence and that Black people are being killed by the Police left right and centre is absolute bullshit. I suspect there are more black on black killings per head in London than blacks killed by cops in America. It that will never be examined or discussed because it doesn’t fit the agenda. Some interesting stats here, they are never referenced though when the question “why are black people disproportionately stopped by the Police in London?” is asked. It’s just assumed to be racism. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/black-murder-victims-and-suspects-london-v-uk-11443656 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 17:07:47 GMT
Marxist mis-representation at it’s finest there Oldie. I didn’t say I had heard. I said I had read. I read an article outlining what I have put here. I don’t suppose it will prove to be very popular (the autopsy report, to give it its American title) because it doesn’t pander to the BLM agenda. They will all probably pretend it doesn’t exist, or say it is fake, etc etc. I don’t really care. What I say important to remember is that the Conservatives won a thumping 80 seat majority, and there are signs that ordinary people are getting watered off with all this BLM and woke crap. Why, we might even see the BBC defunded. Taking the Marxist left wing mouthpiece to task should do a lot of good for this country. The autopsy report wasn’t accepted by the family. They paid (or possibly a wealthy backer or crowd funding paid) for another one which gave them a more preferable set of findings. Oldie talks of the prosecutor making it clear it was the actions of the police officer which caused death, I don’t believe that and I’m hopeful (unless there is a kangaroo court) that medical experts will be given the opportunity to explain the impact his pre-existing medical condition and regular, long standing drug use, had on his death and what a similar action to the officer in question took would have on the vast majority of the population. Again, I strongly suspect the actions of the officer would in normal circumstances not lead to serious injury or death. Perhaps people like Oldie would rather the police never use any force in any circumstances just in case the perpetrator has a medical condition - except of course when he or a member of his family have been the victim of a crime. Little point debating with him on the issue - he has an agenda and wants to believe it so much he will ignore any evidence to the contrary, he seems to have a craving for widespread civil disobedience and a race war based on false propaganda. The Floyd case is done and dusted for him, he’s been hung, drawn and quartered. I don’t know whether it would be a jury trial but if it is I hope they won’t be as blinkered as him. I’d rather trust Lord Melchitt from Blackadder Four presiding over the case! Oldie says there were x violations of policy cited in the video of the arrest, in which case they are culpable of something- so fine, tale the necessary action those violations demand. That doesn’t automatically make them guilty of murder, nor does it make it racist. Oldie made it sound like this is all just noise and needs to take second place to the outrage of a black man dying in preventable circumstances but I don’t get the logic behind that. The whole point of justice is to take the emotion out of it and focus on the intimate details and what they tell us and if a factor of his death was the drugs he had in his system that is massively important and changes the whole picture. Under those circumstances it seems to me that the police were negligible in not getting aid for Floyd, so death to due misconduct rather than premeditation and how you prove racism God only knows as racism is ultimately a thought crime. I would think they will be tried for manslaughter but you can very well bet your bottom dollar that if that happens there will be more riots and protests because the public will demand nothing less than murder and will not be interested in the finer details. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 17:10:54 GMT
Oh it does fit an agenda. The agenda is "To what degree does poverty and deprivation drive social breakdown, drug abuse and poor health outcomes?" Within that to what degree is that exacerbated by minority groups who may be subject to bias, prejudice and outright racism." |
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