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Post by stuartcampbell on Jun 11, 2020 22:16:44 GMT
Tbh I’m not sure, I don’t listen to it  But comparing anti-racism protestors to a terrorist organization is pretty bad I assume it was hyperbole for comedic effect (maybe I give him too much credit though. Apologies for the whataboutery, but in the last few days we’ve seen Twitter erupt with comparisons that Churchill was as bad or worse as Hitler so I think both sides are ugly enough to take the verbals on the chin at the moment! in fact, protesters === taliban && Churchil >= Hitler perhaps shows how chuffing extreme and polarised all this has become 😕 Honestly I’ve always found Farage to be quite an embarrassing and laughable MP. Unlike Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Katie Hopkins, he isn’t an unapologetic racist except his racism is subtle. As was pointed out when it was released the infamous “breaking point” poster didn’t actually depict people who were coming into the country because of anything to do with the EU, rather Farage just showed the public a picture of a lot of brown people to scaremonger people for his own political gain. I also contest your claim that without Farage we’re just left with the hard left, frankly there are lots of centrist politicians. Frankly I’ve always liked Rory Stewart, although his voting record is quite appalling. Also I don’t think the Churchill > Hitler argument has really been used, rather I have seen Churchill < Hitler implies Churchill wasn’t a racist arguments quite often |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 23:39:19 GMT
I assume it was hyperbole for comedic effect (maybe I give him too much credit though. Apologies for the whataboutery, but in the last few days we’ve seen Twitter erupt with comparisons that Churchill was as bad or worse as Hitler so I think both sides are ugly enough to take the verbals on the chin at the moment! in fact, protesters === taliban && Churchil >= Hitler perhaps shows how chuffing extreme and polarised all this has become 😕 Honestly I’ve always found Farage to be quite an embarrassing and laughable MP. Unlike Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Katie Hopkins, he isn’t an unapologetic racist except his racism is subtle. As was pointed out when it was released the infamous “breaking point” poster didn’t actually depict people who were coming into the country because of anything to do with the EU, rather Farage just showed the public a picture of a lot of brown people to scaremonger people for his own political gain. I also contest your claim that without Farage we’re just left with the hard left, frankly there are lots of centrist politicians. Frankly I’ve always liked Rory Stewart, although his voting record is quite appalling. Also I don’t think the Churchill > Hitler argument has really been used, rather I have seen Churchill < Hitler implies Churchill wasn’t a racist arguments quite often It was mentioned earlier about Farage being something of a comedy figure, I agree with that however the danger is that some people take what he says seriously- the migrants poster being a case in point. It seems people who wanted to believe the stuff he peddles didn’t look into the difference between EU and non-EU migration and now the former is low and net profit and the latter is large and net-deficit. I’m not sure I agree about Rory Stewart- he was a very odd Tory, I recall he has his moments but on the whole the way he came across during the lead up to the ousting of May and the way he positioned himself as a candidate for the leadership I would say he was quite Lib Dem and left leaning. It was pretty funny seeing the left wingers (myself included) cheering him on (without even holding our noses) to be the leader of the Tories. Was never going to happen, but one can dream.... |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 12, 2020 5:42:30 GMT
Ah that’s a bit more re-assuring, the media spin I saw was “dismissed with immediate effect” like it was another big scalp to go with the statue and little Britain etc. Plus Gordon Banks statue is coming down, because he saved Pele's header. Racist pig. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 12, 2020 5:49:30 GMT
Each to their own. With removal of some of the Confederate icons, I can see trouble on the horizon Science 101: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Farage dismissed from LBC with immediate effect. Now, it should be clear from previous posts that I have very little time for Farage but come on- silencing dissenting voices just creates martyrs. Cleansing the world of non-hard left voices is going to lead us to a point where the far and even not so far right are going to lash out in response. Case in point: A bust in Bristol of Fagon has had a corrosive substance poured on it. It’s like McCarthyism on steroids. I wish some sanity would prevail. Stick around kid, you ain`t seen nuthin` yet. With the virus and the economic turmoil about to result, I think we`re in for an unimaginable winter. Let`s see how much "civil disobedience" Oldie thinks is what`s required then. |
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Post by baggins on Jun 12, 2020 6:21:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 6:27:56 GMT
Ah that’s a bit more re-assuring, the media spin I saw was “dismissed with immediate effect” like it was another big scalp to go with the statue and little Britain etc. Plus Gordon Banks statue is coming down, because he saved Pele's header. And the Rocky Balboa statue in Philadelphia. He beat up three members of the BAME community, worst of all beat up a communist and he also upset mental health campaigners by naming his dog ‘Bonkers’ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 8:19:15 GMT
Plus Gordon Banks statue is coming down, because he saved Pele's header. And the Rocky Balboa statue in Philadelphia. He beat up three members of the BAME community, worst of all beat up a communist and he also upset mental health campaigners by naming his dog ‘Bonkers’ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 8:21:42 GMT
Brilliant.I want Sideboard Hugetwat to be the main ‘protagonist’ for this new historical review program, the way the same bland names keep popping up in Daily Mash articles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 9:13:32 GMT
Let me be honest.
I do find it disturbing when people feel it's ok to make jokes over an issue which has led to people dying and inflicted economic and social damage on one community.
Indicative.
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 12, 2020 9:21:48 GMT
Plus Gordon Banks statue is coming down, because he saved Pele's header. And the Rocky Balboa statue in Philadelphia. He beat up three members of the BAME community, worst of all beat up a communist and he also upset mental health campaigners by naming his dog ‘Bonkers’ Well, exactly. But you don`t go far enough, Eric. Oh, no. Your latent racisalism is holding you back. Oh, yes. 50% of chess pieces should be discarded NOW. What chance does black have against all that white privilege? |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 12, 2020 9:25:25 GMT
Let me be honest. I do find it disturbing when people feel it's ok to make jokes over an issue which has led to people dying and inflicted economic and social damage on one community. Indicative. So instead of making jokes, we`ll go out and burn and loot and riot. The "social disobedience" that you think is necessary. Sorted. |
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Post by althepirate on Jun 12, 2020 9:29:10 GMT
Let me be honest. I do find it disturbing when people feel it's ok to make jokes over an issue which has led to people dying and inflicted economic and social damage on one community. Indicative. Well initially huge amounts of people in this country were angry at black people's accusations of this country and now as is our culture we've rationalised it with humour. Would you rather we stayed angry, smashed windows and looted shops? |
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Post by Gassy on Jun 12, 2020 9:34:38 GMT
Let me be honest. I do find it disturbing when people feel it's ok to make jokes over an issue which has led to people dying and inflicted economic and social damage on one community. Indicative. Distasteful, perhaps. But people make jokes about 9/11, Covid, racism etc. You can't and won't stop it. I don't mind light hearted jokes (within reason), it's easier for some people to joke about it than to open up about it. As long as they don't actually hold those views, then I don't mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 9:38:02 GMT
Who is censoring media content?
Corporations. Welcome to the modern world, it's a global community now it that respect.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 12, 2020 9:47:40 GMT
Who is censoring media content? Corporations. Welcome to the modern world, it's a global community now it that respect. When you have a PM who says women who wear burmas "look like letter boxes" - anything can go really. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 12, 2020 9:48:22 GMT
Let me be honest. I do find it disturbing when people feel it's ok to make jokes over an issue which has led to people dying and inflicted economic and social damage on one community. Indicative. Well initially huge amounts of people in this country were angry at black people's accusations of this country and now as is our culture we've rationalised it with humour. Would you rather we stayed angry, smashed windows and looted shops? Of course he would. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 12, 2020 9:50:31 GMT
Who is censoring media content? Corporations. Welcome to the modern world, it's a global community now it that respect. When you have a PM who says women who wear burmas "look like letter boxes" - anything can go really. Is it still called Burma? They change so quickly these days. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 9:57:24 GMT
Let me be honest. I do find it disturbing when people feel it's ok to make jokes over an issue which has led to people dying and inflicted economic and social damage on one community. Indicative. So instead of making jokes, we`ll go out and burn and loot and riot. The "social disobedience" that you think is necessary. Sorted. Your lack of understanding of effective Social Disobedience is illuminating, especially when you perceive violence to be the only outcome. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:01:51 GMT
Let me be honest. I do find it disturbing when people feel it's ok to make jokes over an issue which has led to people dying and inflicted economic and social damage on one community. Indicative. Well initially huge amounts of people in this country were angry at black people's accusations of this country and now as is our culture we've rationalised it with humour. Would you rather we stayed angry, smashed windows and looted shops? I am not sure Al, that it can be called rationalisation. It reads to me more like denial, lack of acceptance of factual history and more like silly children giggling at the back when a teacher attempts to teach human biology. But as we say, it's a free country and making oneself look silly never actually harmed anyone, to the best of my knowledge. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 12, 2020 10:30:29 GMT
So instead of making jokes, we`ll go out and burn and loot and riot. The "social disobedience" that you think is necessary. Sorted. Your lack of understanding of effective Social Disobedience is illuminating, especially when you perceive violence to be the only outcome. Gotcha. So what were you advocating? We all sit round, reading " The ragged - trousered philanthropists."? Right. |
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