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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:33:32 GMT
Let me be honest. I do find it disturbing when people feel it's ok to make jokes over an issue which has led to people dying and inflicted economic and social damage on one community. Indicative. So instead of making jokes, we`ll go out and burn and loot and riot. The "social disobedience" that you think is necessary. Sorted. Yeah in one flick of his pen Oldie has condemned jokes yet authorised public violence “The fascists of the future will call themselves ‘Anti-fascists’” |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:35:02 GMT
Your lack of understanding of effective Social Disobedience is illuminating, especially when you perceive violence to be the only outcome. Gotcha. So what were you advocating? We all sit round, reading " The ragged - trousered philanthropists."? Right. I did ask Oldie to expound on what he was getting at by “civil disobedience”. It was interesting that he never answered that question |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:39:49 GMT
“ Violent protesters could be jailed within 24 hours under plans to fast-track arrests linked to protest.
The BBC understands that opening hours at magistrates courts are to be extended to process anybody caught vandalising, causing criminal damage or assaulting police officers.”
Good job too. Get ‘em in front of the beak ASAP. That will sort them out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:43:16 GMT
Your lack of understanding of effective Social Disobedience is illuminating, especially when you perceive violence to be the only outcome. Gotcha. So what were you advocating? We all sit round, reading " The ragged - trousered philanthropists."? Right. Interesting. Maybe you should get out of Bristol a little more. For your edification. www.britannica.com/topic/civil-disobedienceJust a couple of examples for you to ponder. |
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Post by althepirate on Jun 12, 2020 10:43:30 GMT
Well initially huge amounts of people in this country were angry at black people's accusations of this country and now as is our culture we've rationalised it with humour. Would you rather we stayed angry, smashed windows and looted shops? I am not sure Al, that it can be called rationalisation. It reads to me more like denial, lack of acceptance of factual history and more like silly children giggling at the back when a teacher attempts to teach human biology. But as we say, it's a free country and making oneself look silly never actually harmed anyone, to the best of my knowledge. Oldie it's interesting how and why you support just one part of the community and dismiss the rest. Shame and guilt in your head maybe? That's your responsibility you know. We will still have ours, which is the majority view that is why the left wing always lose and will continue until they listen to everyone. |
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Post by baggins on Jun 12, 2020 10:44:30 GMT
“ Violent protesters could be jailed within 24 hours under plans to fast-track arrests linked to protest. The BBC understands that opening hours at magistrates courts are to be extended to process anybody caught vandalising, causing criminal damage or assaulting police officers.” Good job too. Get ‘em in front of the beak ASAP. That will sort them out. An hours community service and a telling off. At most. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:44:53 GMT
So instead of making jokes, we`ll go out and burn and loot and riot. The "social disobedience" that you think is necessary. Sorted. Yeah in one flick of his pen Oldie has condemned jokes yet authorised public violence “The fascists of the future will call themselves ‘Anti-fascists’” You really surprise me 365 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:46:35 GMT
Gotcha. So what were you advocating? We all sit round, reading " The ragged - trousered philanthropists."? Right. I did ask Oldie to expound on what he was getting at by “civil disobedience”. It was interesting that he never answered that question I must have missed that query, my apologies. Something along the lines of historical prescedant perhaps? www.britannica.com/topic/civil-disobedience |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:48:01 GMT
“ Violent protesters could be jailed within 24 hours under plans to fast-track arrests linked to protest. The BBC understands that opening hours at magistrates courts are to be extended to process anybody caught vandalising, causing criminal damage or assaulting police officers.” Good job too. Get ‘em in front of the beak ASAP. That will sort them out. Nothing like a bit of "State Crackdown" to suppress dissent. Ever been to Hong Kong? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 10:56:34 GMT
I am not sure Al, that it can be called rationalisation. It reads to me more like denial, lack of acceptance of factual history and more like silly children giggling at the back when a teacher attempts to teach human biology. But as we say, it's a free country and making oneself look silly never actually harmed anyone, to the best of my knowledge. Oldie it's interesting how and why you support just one part of the community and dismiss the rest. Shame and guilt in your head maybe? That's your responsibility you know. We will still have ours, which is the majority view that is why the left wing always lose and will continue until they listen to everyone. Supposition, Al, with respect. As evidence I would point you to my support for the Remain argument over the EU, where I strongly advocated the reality of the disproportionate economic impact of leaving on the lower income groups (I really don't want to go over that again). This is not a left right argument, a very tired definition in any event. A debate over income distribution is not confined to one's ethnicity, albeit there appears to be "strands" amongst the lower income groups disproportionately occupied by ethnic minorities. Given your professional activities I believe that you know this, if we can let go of left / right definitions then I am pretty sure that people like you and I would meet in the middle, debating method rather than desired outcomes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 11:04:35 GMT
I am not sure Al, that it can be called rationalisation. It reads to me more like denial, lack of acceptance of factual history and more like silly children giggling at the back when a teacher attempts to teach human biology. But as we say, it's a free country and making oneself look silly never actually harmed anyone, to the best of my knowledge. Oldie it's interesting how and why you support just one part of the community and dismiss the rest. Shame and guilt in your head maybe? That's your responsibility you know. We will still have ours, which is the majority view that is why the left wing always lose and will continue until they listen to everyone. “The tyranny of guilt“ Al. It’s a good read. |
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Post by Gassy on Jun 12, 2020 11:06:26 GMT
I am not sure Al, that it can be called rationalisation. It reads to me more like denial, lack of acceptance of factual history and more like silly children giggling at the back when a teacher attempts to teach human biology. But as we say, it's a free country and making oneself look silly never actually harmed anyone, to the best of my knowledge. Oldie it's interesting how and why you support just one part of the community and dismiss the rest. Shame and guilt in your head maybe? That's your responsibility you know. We will still have ours, which is the majority view that is why the left wing always lose and will continue until they listen to everyone. A beautifully ironic post, when you refuse to acknowledge an NHS report proving institutional racism in the UK - which you don't believe exists.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 11:09:43 GMT
“ Violent protesters could be jailed within 24 hours under plans to fast-track arrests linked to protest. The BBC understands that opening hours at magistrates courts are to be extended to process anybody caught vandalising, causing criminal damage or assaulting police officers.” Good job too. Get ‘em in front of the beak ASAP. That will sort them out. Nothing like a bit of "State Crackdown" to suppress dissent. Ever been to Hong Kong? You were cracking down on jokes a few minutes ago Oldie now you are pontificating about State oppression. Basically dissent in your view is good, as long as it’s dissent you sanction. I bet there are Antifa youth wearing Oldie wrist watches. |
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Post by althepirate on Jun 12, 2020 11:11:39 GMT
Oldie it's interesting how and why you support just one part of the community and dismiss the rest. Shame and guilt in your head maybe? That's your responsibility you know. We will still have ours, which is the majority view that is why the left wing always lose and will continue until they listen to everyone. Supposition, Al, with respect. As evidence I would point you to my support for the Remain argument over the EU, where I strongly advocated the reality of the disproportionate economic impact of leaving on the lower income groups (I really don't want to go over that again). This is not a left right argument, a very tired definition in any event. A debate over income distribution is not confined to one's ethnicity, albeit there appears to be "strands" amongst the lower income groups disproportionately occupied by ethnic minorities. Given your professional activities I believe that you know this, if we can let go of left / right definitions then I am pretty sure that people like you and I would meet in the middle, debating method rather than desired outcomes. Yes I agree we probably want the same things. When people talk about 'poor black areas' it's not true because job incomes and benefit incomes are the same. We all know that people handle their money differently. Having more money is an individual thing not a protest thing. Work more hours, study, manage the money that comes in. I've worked in poor areas they are not what I call poverty, often claimants get more than the carers looking after them. We love doing our jobs, if we weren't happy with the money we would do what it takes to get a better one. Even so called poor people have computers, I double my income on mine. No one sees my face so there can no accusations of racism there, unless black people think the keyboard detects their fingerprints. Take responsibility don't wait around for someone else to do it for you if you're an healthy adult. The world doesn't owe us a living. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 11:19:24 GMT
Nothing like a bit of "State Crackdown" to suppress dissent. Ever been to Hong Kong? You were cracking down on jokes a few minutes ago Oldie now you are pontificating about State oppression. Basically dissent in your view is good, as long as it’s dissent you sanction. I bet there are Antifa youth wearing Oldie wrist watches. Just responding to your apparent joy in a State Crackdown on dissent, nothing more. Come on 365, your extrapolation into antifa was just a bit childish... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 11:28:31 GMT
Al
"Yes I agree we probably want the same things"
That was my instinct. If we can all agree on the desired outcome I believe it does out events in to some sort of perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 11:28:59 GMT
You were cracking down on jokes a few minutes ago Oldie now you are pontificating about State oppression. Basically dissent in your view is good, as long as it’s dissent you sanction. I bet there are Antifa youth wearing Oldie wrist watches. Just responding to your apparent joy in a State Crackdown on dissent, nothing more. Come on 365, your extrapolation into antifa was just a bit childish... Have they said they would arrest peaceful protesters? It does come across as slightly hypocritical that you attempt to control the narrative by trying to shame me and Baggins over a joke (dissent) and yet fully approve of dissent that results in criminal damage and possible injury. Cake eating seems to be rife at the moment on the far left. Also if you want to dissent then that is your right but violent protest is classed as breaking the law, as such you should accept however the state chooses to deal with you- it makes you a martyr so it’s all good right? And take it from me, court in 24 hours is a piece of cake. Have you ever been arrested in Russia? I have and their system makes ours look like a game of animal crossing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 11:43:27 GMT
Just responding to your apparent joy in a State Crackdown on dissent, nothing more. Come on 365, your extrapolation into antifa was just a bit childish... Have they said they would arrest peaceful protesters? It does come across as slightly hypocritical that you attempt to control the narrative by trying to shame me and Baggins over a joke (dissent) and yet fully approve of dissent that results in criminal damage and possible injury. Cake eating seems to be rife at the moment on the far left. Also if you want to dissent then that is your right but violent protest is classed as breaking the law, as such you should accept however the state chooses to deal with you- it makes you a martyr so it’s all good right? And take it from me, court in 24 hours is a piece of cake. Have you ever been arrested in Russia? I have and their system makes ours look like a game of animal crossing. Look at the reality of ethnic minority experience when the State authorises a "crackdown" All this starts with propaganda, labelling protest groups "mobs", quoting "violence" when in fact very little physical confrontation has occured. It's standard fare, people fall for it, wind themselves up, create straw man arguments amongst themselves and the State can then say it has the support of the majority. Meanwhile, back on the farm... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 12:06:46 GMT
Have they said they would arrest peaceful protesters? It does come across as slightly hypocritical that you attempt to control the narrative by trying to shame me and Baggins over a joke (dissent) and yet fully approve of dissent that results in criminal damage and possible injury. Cake eating seems to be rife at the moment on the far left. Also if you want to dissent then that is your right but violent protest is classed as breaking the law, as such you should accept however the state chooses to deal with you- it makes you a martyr so it’s all good right? And take it from me, court in 24 hours is a piece of cake. Have you ever been arrested in Russia? I have and their system makes ours look like a game of animal crossing. Look at the reality of ethnic minority experience when the State authorises a "crackdown" All this starts with propaganda, labelling protest groups "mobs", quoting "violence" when in fact very little physical confrontation has occured. It's standard fare, people fall for it, wind themselves up, create straw man arguments amongst themselves and the State can then say it has the support of the majority. Meanwhile, back on the farm... But that’s typical far-left-wing civil disobedience rhetoric: “it wasn’t our fault guv!” “He was already bleeding when we got here” “It was agent provocateurs!!!1” (a classic, that one) “That’s what ‘they’ *want* you to believe so that ‘they’ can take our freedoms!!1” So as a result those of us trying to be objective are steered down the path of cheering on the anarchists because their fight is against our common enemy: the state. Yeah off you go mate, I’ll hold your coat....not. I’m times like these- the middle of a Dam pandemic, I don’t care who you are or which side you are on, if you are out throwing sh** at people and vandalising when you should be at home saving lives then I hope you bloody well get your ass kicked by the full letter of the law. How many more people will have to lose their lives for these clowns? |
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Post by althepirate on Jun 12, 2020 12:23:54 GMT
Have they said they would arrest peaceful protesters? It does come across as slightly hypocritical that you attempt to control the narrative by trying to shame me and Baggins over a joke (dissent) and yet fully approve of dissent that results in criminal damage and possible injury. Cake eating seems to be rife at the moment on the far left. Also if you want to dissent then that is your right but violent protest is classed as breaking the law, as such you should accept however the state chooses to deal with you- it makes you a martyr so it’s all good right? And take it from me, court in 24 hours is a piece of cake. Have you ever been arrested in Russia? I have and their system makes ours look like a game of animal crossing. Look at the reality of ethnic minority experience when the State authorises a "crackdown" All this starts with propaganda, labelling protest groups "mobs", quoting "violence" when in fact very little physical confrontation has occured. It's standard fare, people fall for it, wind themselves up, create straw man arguments amongst themselves and the State can then say it has the support of the majority. Meanwhile, back on the farm... Oldie why do you say 'ethnic minority experience' I honestly don't understand why you say that. It's not an 'ethnic minority experience' it's everyone being treated the same experience. Even Gas and City fighting on Glos road would be banged up we ALL would be if we were violent and quite right too. People don't fall for anything. |
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