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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 12:36:20 GMT
Did you actually listen to what Mr Murray said? Your comments kind of suggest that you didn't. But as you want to play the game, OK, let's play it on your terms. What has the colour of the skin of the 2 girls killed in London got to do with the fact that they've been murdered? Yet you've not commented on it being mentioned in this thread and in the media. I brought up their sexuality as, looking at the BBC, Sky, C4, Guardian, Independent reports on the incident I couldn't find their sexuality mentioned, yet every one of those outlets also referenced the fact that the 2 murdered girls were black. Now, listen again to what Mr Murray says and let us know whether you think he's made any valid points. I checked out his Twitter and it was riddled with racsim and homophobia so no I didn't listen, just read the headline and your summary. Careful sharing hate speech online. Many of your types are being banned on social media. Homophobia? Are you sure? Here's the definition; dislike of or prejudice against gay people. He's gay himself, so in your opinion he has a dislike or prejudice against people who share his own sexual persuasion. OK then, if you say so. Care to share any of these 'racist' comments that he's made? You won't be in any trouble for 'outing' a racist. I've listened to, watched and read a lot of his work over the years, I can't recall any racist comment from him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 14:27:22 GMT
Did you actually listen to what Mr Murray said? Your comments kind of suggest that you didn't. But as you want to play the game, OK, let's play it on your terms. What has the colour of the skin of the 2 girls killed in London got to do with the fact that they've been murdered? Yet you've not commented on it being mentioned in this thread and in the media. I brought up their sexuality as, looking at the BBC, Sky, C4, Guardian, Independent reports on the incident I couldn't find their sexuality mentioned, yet every one of those outlets also referenced the fact that the 2 murdered girls were black. Now, listen again to what Mr Murray says and let us know whether you think he's made any valid points. I checked out his Twitter and it was riddled with racsim and homophobia so no I didn't listen, just read the headline and your summary. Careful sharing hate speech online. Many of your types are being banned on social media. “Many of your types”. !!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 15:00:23 GMT
I checked out his Twitter and it was riddled with racsim and homophobia so no I didn't listen, just read the headline and your summary. Careful sharing hate speech online. Many of your types are being banned on social media. “Many of your types”. !!!!! Hang on, don't harass Armchair, he's busy getting his will redrafted and putting together this extensive list of homophobic tweets from Mr Murray. Looking again though, he's appears to have accused Douglas of Racsim, I'm not sure what that is or if it's in any way similar to Racism. Ref his little veiled threat, if the moderators of this forum think I've done anything to justify being banned then they know what to do, but I think I have quite a long way to go yet, as an example, Oldie on another thread has expressed a desire to physically assault every single government minister by punching them in the face, if that's acceptable on this forum then I think I'm OK for the time being. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 15:05:30 GMT
“Many of your types”. !!!!! Hang on, don't harass Armchair, he's busy getting his will redrafted and putting together this extensive list of homophobic tweets from Mr Murray. Looking again though, he's appears to have accused Douglas of Racsim, I'm not sure what that is or if it's in any way similar to Racism. Ref his little veiled threat, if the moderators of this forum think I've done anything to justify being banned then they know what to do, but I think I have quite a long way to go yet, as an example, Oldie on another thread has expressed a desire to physically assault every single government minister by punching them in the face, if that's acceptable on this forum then I think I'm OK for the time being. 😂😂😂😂😂 Bit of AB Negative going on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 15:14:24 GMT
Hang on, don't harass Armchair, he's busy getting his will redrafted and putting together this extensive list of homophobic tweets from Mr Murray. Looking again though, he's appears to have accused Douglas of Racsim, I'm not sure what that is or if it's in any way similar to Racism. Ref his little veiled threat, if the moderators of this forum think I've done anything to justify being banned then they know what to do, but I think I have quite a long way to go yet, as an example, Oldie on another thread has expressed a desire to physically assault every single government minister by punching them in the face, if that's acceptable on this forum then I think I'm OK for the time being. 😂😂😂😂😂 Bit of AB Negative going on here. It's what you said. You would like to punch them all in the mouth to wipe the smirks off of their faces. It's not my fault if you can't control your temper. Here you go, June 22nd, 5-31pm, you wrote; |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 16:03:49 GMT
😂😂😂😂😂 Bit of AB Negative going on here. It's what you said. You would like to punch them all in the mouth to wipe the smirks off of their faces. It's not my fault if you can't control your temper. Here you go, June 22nd, 5-31pm, you wrote; You really are pathetic. Why don't you find another forum to troll. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 16:20:35 GMT
It's what you said. You would like to punch them all in the mouth to wipe the smirks off of their faces. It's not my fault if you can't control your temper. Here you go, June 22nd, 5-31pm, you wrote; You really are pathetic. Why don't you find another forum to troll. Sorry, I didn't intend to upset anybody, I was just using what you had written as a point of reference for what appears to be acceptable behaviour on this forum. You sound angry with me for quoting your own words? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 16:48:45 GMT
It's what you said. You would like to punch them all in the mouth to wipe the smirks off of their faces. It's not my fault if you can't control your temper. Here you go, June 22nd, 5-31pm, you wrote; You really are pathetic. Why don't you find another forum to troll. Oh no oldie, we are being OWNED. What a shame. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 21:28:11 GMT
I checked out his Twitter and it was riddled with racsim and homophobia so no I didn't listen, just read the headline and your summary. Careful sharing hate speech online. Many of your types are being banned on social media. Homophobia? Are you sure? Here's the definition; dislike of or prejudice against gay people. He's gay himself, so in your opinion he has a dislike or prejudice against people who share his own sexual persuasion. OK then, if you say so. Care to share any of these 'racist' comments that he's made? You won't be in any trouble for 'outing' a racist. I've listened to, watched and read a lot of his work over the years, I can't recall any racist comment from him. Everything is racist these days according to the hysterical and screechy extreme left wing types. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 22:00:36 GMT
Homophobia? Are you sure? Here's the definition; dislike of or prejudice against gay people. He's gay himself, so in your opinion he has a dislike or prejudice against people who share his own sexual persuasion. OK then, if you say so. Care to share any of these 'racist' comments that he's made? You won't be in any trouble for 'outing' a racist. I've listened to, watched and read a lot of his work over the years, I can't recall any racist comment from him. Everything is racist these days according to the hysterical and screechy extreme left wing types. I'm not applying labels like that to Mr Armchair, but in all seriousness, I'm waiting for him to either support or retract both of the claims that he's made about Douglas Murray. I'm not expecting him to agree with Murray's politics, but a racist homophobe, those are serious accusations, it's not as if he's saying that Murray has bad dress sense or some mild insult like that, this language, as he points out himself, is getting people removed from social media platforms, so he really ought to either say that he's made an error, which we all do from time to time, or show us what it was that Douglas said, with context, that drove him to form these conclusions. |
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Post by Gassy on Jun 28, 2020 22:04:00 GMT
BLM UK have had their agenda laid bare on this forum, they are anti-capitalist and view society as a patriarchy. Anti-capitalist, OK then, good luck with that, history suggests it probably won't work out so well. We can give the patriarchy argument the mauling it deserves, not sure this is the correct thread for it though. Can you please show me the evidence you have that BLM UK are anit-capitalism? I thought we had established they were against capitalism that disproportionately harm black people in Britain, as per their GoFundMe page. Unless you have other evidence that they’re anti-capitalism? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 22:27:56 GMT
BLM UK have had their agenda laid bare on this forum, they are anti-capitalist and view society as a patriarchy. Anti-capitalist, OK then, good luck with that, history suggests it probably won't work out so well. We can give the patriarchy argument the mauling it deserves, not sure this is the correct thread for it though. Can you please show me the evidence you have that BLM UK are anit-capitalism? I thought we had established they were against capitalism that disproportionately harm black people in Britain, as per their GoFundMe page. Unless you have other evidence that they’re anti-capitalism? Sure can. They don't distinguish between forms / sectors / variants of capitalism, they just say capitalism, they then go on to mention the state structures that disproportionately harm black people. Had they have said something along the lines of; We're guided by a commitment to dismantle those elements of imperialism, capitalism etc then you would have a valid point. Here's the quote from their own page, for your ease of reference; |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 22:30:00 GMT
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Post by axegas on Jun 28, 2020 22:54:55 GMT
Can you please show me the evidence you have that BLM UK are anit-capitalism? I thought we had established they were against capitalism that disproportionately harm black people in Britain, as per their GoFundMe page. Unless you have other evidence that they’re anti-capitalism? Sure can. They don't distinguish between forms / sectors / variants of capitalism, they just say capitalism, they then go on to mention the state structures that disproportionately harm black people. Had they have said something along the lines of; We're guided by a commitment to dismantle those elements of imperialism, capitalism etc then you would have a valid point. Here's the quote from their own page, for your ease of reference; I think it's clumsily worded but the main thing to take away from that first sentence is that they are campaigning for the end of things that disproportionately affect black people more than their white counterparts. That's what the capitalism bit is about, it's not a "lets abolish capitalism and replace it with a classless, marxist society" but rather a lets dismantle the bits of capitalism that black people suffer from. The Black Lives Matter movement, is and has always been about societal change rather than economic change. Although sometimes they do overlap. |
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Post by Gassy on Jun 28, 2020 22:59:03 GMT
Can you please show me the evidence you have that BLM UK are anit-capitalism? I thought we had established they were against capitalism that disproportionately harm black people in Britain, as per their GoFundMe page. Unless you have other evidence that they’re anti-capitalism? Sure can. They don't distinguish between forms / sectors / variants of capitalism, they just say capitalism, they then go on to mention the state structures that disproportionately harm black people. Had they have said something along the lines of; We're guided by a commitment to dismantle those elements of imperialism, capitalism etc then you would have a valid point. Here's the quote from their own page, for your ease of reference; I’m not buying it, personally. Flipping it the other way, if they had said “We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and also the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain” - then I’d agree with you. And this was taken from their GoFundMe page? Or other/more sources? |
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Post by Gassy on Jun 28, 2020 23:02:37 GMT
Sure can. They don't distinguish between forms / sectors / variants of capitalism, they just say capitalism, they then go on to mention the state structures that disproportionately harm black people. Had they have said something along the lines of; We're guided by a commitment to dismantle those elements of imperialism, capitalism etc then you would have a valid point. Here's the quote from their own page, for your ease of reference; I think it's clumsily worded but the main thing to take away from that first sentence is that they are campaigning for the end of things that disproportionately affect black people more than their white counterparts. That's what the capitalism bit is about, it's not a "lets abolish capitalism and replace it with a classless, marxist society" but rather a lets dismantle the bits of capitalism that black people suffer from. The Black Lives Matter movement, is and has always been about societal change rather than economic change. Although sometimes they do overlap. Agreed. I’m not sure why BLM UK would want to end racism, white supremacy, imperialism etc. oh and capitalism - because, why not? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 23:27:05 GMT
Everything is racist these days according to the hysterical and screechy extreme left wing types. I'm not applying labels like that to Mr Armchair, but in all seriousness, I'm waiting for him to either support or retract both of the claims that he's made about Douglas Murray. I'm not expecting him to agree with Murray's politics, but a racist homophobe, those are serious accusations, it's not as if he's saying that Murray has bad dress sense or some mild insult like that, this language, as he points out himself, is getting people removed from social media platforms, so he really ought to either say that he's made an error, which we all do from time to time, or show us what it was that Douglas said, with context, that drove him to form these conclusions. Good luck with that. It’s tiresome and boring how often there is an appeal to moral authority by the far left to try and shame people into shutting up and therefore avoid having their ideas challenged or enter into any sort of debate, online forums are sinking under the weight of it at the moment. The problem with such words is when they are thrown about so liberally they soon lose their power. Eg I’m sure the F word was quite shocking once upon a time but now it’s de rigeur. It will be the same with the word racist soon: “You’re sooooooo raaaaaaciiiiiiist”. “Oh really. Yawn.” |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 23:31:10 GMT
Can you please show me the evidence you have that BLM UK are anit-capitalism? I thought we had established they were against capitalism that disproportionately harm black people in Britain, as per their GoFundMe page. Unless you have other evidence that they’re anti-capitalism? Sure can. They don't distinguish between forms / sectors / variants of capitalism, they just say capitalism, they then go on to mention the state structures that disproportionately harm black people. Had they have said something along the lines of; We're guided by a commitment to dismantle those elements of imperialism, capitalism etc then you would have a valid point. Here's the quote from their own page, for your ease of reference; I’ve got a lot of time for gassy but I’m really puzzled how he reads into that that it’s about selectively tweaking capitalist apparatus and not just pulling the whole lot down and replacing it with some as yet unknown system that either makes things equal or advantages black people. It seems pretty clear wording. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 23:39:10 GMT
I think it's clumsily worded but the main thing to take away from that first sentence is that they are campaigning for the end of things that disproportionately affect black people more than their white counterparts. That's what the capitalism bit is about, it's not a "lets abolish capitalism and replace it with a classless, marxist society" but rather a lets dismantle the bits of capitalism that black people suffer from. The Black Lives Matter movement, is and has always been about societal change rather than economic change. Although sometimes they do overlap. Agreed. I’m not sure why BLM UK would want to end racism, white supremacy, imperialism etc. oh and capitalism - because, why not? What parts of capitalism work well for black people? It makes total sense they would want to see a system that promotes privilege wiped out. A society without privilege is basically communism- everyone is born equal. When you have nothing, taking what other people have and bringing them down to your level is a seductive ideology. There wouldn’t be anywhere near as much black collateral damage as there would be white if they could go the whole hog and destroy the British aristocracy ending generational elitism and privilege. That or just tweaking capitalism a bit, which would appeal more to an oppressed minority? Hmm.... |
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Post by axegas on Jun 29, 2020 0:17:45 GMT
Agreed. I’m not sure why BLM UK would want to end racism, white supremacy, imperialism etc. oh and capitalism - because, why not? What parts of capitalism work well for black people? It makes total sense they would want to see a system that promotes privilege wiped out. A society without privilege is basically communism- everyone is born equal. When you have nothing, taking what other people have and bringing them down to your level is a seductive ideology. There wouldn’t be anywhere near as much black collateral damage as there would be white if they could go the whole hog and destroy the British aristocracy ending generational elitism and privilege. That or just tweaking capitalism a bit, which would appeal more to an oppressed minority? Hmm.... A society without economic privilege perhaps but a society without racial privilege is a fairer and more just world. I also think a lot of capitalism actually works well for black people, black people benefit from economic growth, technological innovation and more consumer choice just like any other section of society. However obviously it's far from perfect as Black people face less social mobility and often form a large part of low paid, exploited workforces. If attempts are made to address this and an equal playing field where all races start from the same place with no impediments is established, then capitalism can be really advantageous to ethnic minorities. |
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