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Post by William Wilson on Aug 29, 2020 9:27:07 GMT
You were the one who called for "civil disobedience". Enjoy. If you equate armed vigilantes with civil disobedience then you are either incredibly ill informed or deliberately bending reality to suit your viewpoint. I certainly equate American cities being set on fire, ( peoples` property being burned to the ground ) and the consequential appearance on the streets of armed vigilante gangs, with the civil disobedience that you called for. |
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Post by William Wilson on Aug 29, 2020 9:37:12 GMT
Would you encourage them to walk away from armed police officers? Absolutely not. But they do not carry guns, do not break the law and are respectful of those they disagree with. Well, it`s a great shame that George Floyd, and Jacob Blake, aren`t of the same ilk. What utter chaos we could have been spared. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 9:38:19 GMT
If you equate armed vigilantes with civil disobedience then you are either incredibly ill informed or deliberately bending reality to suit your viewpoint. I certainly equate American cities being set on fire, ( peoples` property being burned to the ground ) and the consequential appearance on the streets of armed vigilante gangs, with the civil disobedience that you called for. Then you are utterly mistaken. I have never called for violence, either to property or person. To equate my views to those of white, armed vigilantes, well, that's laughable. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 9:40:00 GMT
Absolutely not. But they do not carry guns, do not break the law and are respectful of those they disagree with. Well, it`s a great shame that George Floyd, and Jacob Blake, aren`t of the same ilk. What utter chaos we could have been spared. Nobody is defending what they may or may not have done in relation to breaking the law. What is being called out is their killing by the police. |
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Post by William Wilson on Aug 30, 2020 5:52:48 GMT
I certainly equate American cities being set on fire, ( peoples` property being burned to the ground ) and the consequential appearance on the streets of armed vigilante gangs, with the civil disobedience that you called for. Then you are utterly mistaken. I have never called for violence, either to property or person. To equate my views to those of white, armed vigilantes, well, that's laughable. Come off it. What did you mean by civil disobedience then? Non return of library books? You may never have called for violence, but you`ve certainly enjoyed watching it in action, haven`t you? You referred to the murderous rampage of the Baader Meinhoffer gang, as "heady days." In a few years time, you`ll probably be referring to today`s events in the US, in the same terms. You`ve got what you called for. Things could scarcely be more civilly disobedient. Enjoy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 7:12:20 GMT
Then you are utterly mistaken. I have never called for violence, either to property or person. To equate my views to those of white, armed vigilantes, well, that's laughable. Come off it. What did you mean by civil disobedience then? Non return of library books? You may never have called for violence, but you`ve certainly enjoyed watching it in action, haven`t you? You referred to the murderous rampage of the Baader Meinhoffer gang, as "heady days." In a few years time, you`ll probably be referring to today`s events in the US, in the same terms. You`ve got what you called for. Things could scarcely be more civilly disobedient. Enjoy. You are just making it up. Try commenting on the facts. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 7:47:48 GMT
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Post by baggins on Aug 30, 2020 11:50:33 GMT
It's going to get a lot worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 11:57:51 GMT
It's going to get a lot worse. I really fear it. People incapable of seeing right from wrong, as witnessed on here. Over there they have a President who would do anything, including provoking his own supporters into taking up arms, over here we have a Government who force people out of their jobs rather than take responsibility for their own incompetence. Very bad times |
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Post by baggins on Aug 30, 2020 12:02:45 GMT
It's going to get a lot worse. I really fear it. People incapable of seeing right from wrong, as witnessed on here. Over there they have a President who would do anything, including provoking his own supporters into taking up arms, over here we have a Government who force people out of their jobs rather than take responsibility for their own incompetence. Very bad times And that's why Mallorca is calling. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 12:15:49 GMT
I really fear it. People incapable of seeing right from wrong, as witnessed on here. Over there they have a President who would do anything, including provoking his own supporters into taking up arms, over here we have a Government who force people out of their jobs rather than take responsibility for their own incompetence. Very bad times And that's why Mallorca is calling. Permanently? |
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Post by baggins on Aug 30, 2020 12:20:42 GMT
And that's why Mallorca is calling. Permanently? Eventually. Perhaps. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 19:03:35 GMT
Yeah, anarchy and yet if Portland had it’s way their Police would be defunded. Portland is the poster child of what happens when law and order breaks down, as per their zone that rapidly got out of hand. Honestly, I’d like nothing more than to see Portland get nuked from orbit. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 19:28:35 GMT
Absolutely not. But they do not carry guns, do not break the law and are respectful of those they disagree with. Well, it`s a great shame that George Floyd, and Jacob Blake, aren`t of the same ilk. What utter chaos we could have been spared. Quite. And I wish we could all have a frank discussion about why Oldie’s relatives are law abiding citizens and the Blakes of this world have warrants out for them which leads to encounters that end in shootings. Blake’s father was on TV criticising America as you would expect but I have to wonder what values he instilled in his son? When do we get to look at these problems in the round and have frank discussions about the conduct of the Police AND how characters like Blake are created? We’ve done that on here with regards to poverty etc but I don’t see much of it in the media, the narrative is solely focused on black people vs white racist cops and good v evil, with no attempt to discuss the responsibility that *everyone* has to ensure that stuff like this ends. Even George Floyd, whilst killed in cold blood, was committing a crime and resisting arrest in the lead up to his death. Black people are not being killed in a vacuum, there is misdemeanour involved in the build up but it seems like we can’t discuss how people’s lives get to that point and how it can change for the better. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 21:23:14 GMT
Yeah, anarchy and yet if Portland had it’s way their Police would be defunded. Portland is the poster child of what happens when law and order breaks down, as per their zone that rapidly got out of hand. Honestly, I’d like nothing more than to see Portland get nuked from orbit. Goodness me. Now you want to nuke people? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 21:27:40 GMT
Well, it`s a great shame that George Floyd, and Jacob Blake, aren`t of the same ilk. What utter chaos we could have been spared. Quite. And I wish we could all have a frank discussion about why Oldie’s relatives are law abiding citizens and the Blakes of this world have warrants out for them which leads to encounters that end in shootings. Blake’s father was on TV criticising America as you would expect but I have to wonder what values he instilled in his son? When do we get to look at these problems in the round and have frank discussions about the conduct of the Police AND how characters like Blake are created? We’ve done that on here with regards to poverty etc but I don’t see much of it in the media, the narrative is solely focused on black people vs white racist cops and good v evil, with no attempt to discuss the responsibility that *everyone* has to ensure that stuff like this ends. Even George Floyd, whilst killed in cold blood, was committing a crime and resisting arrest in the lead up to his death. Black people are not being killed in a vacuum, there is misdemeanour involved in the build up but it seems like we can’t discuss how people’s lives get to that point and how it can change for the better. " Quite. And I wish we could all have a frank discussion about why Oldie’s relatives are law abiding citizens and the Blakes of this world have warrants out for them which leads to encounters that end in shootings." Let's have that discussion. The relatives are my son and three grandsons. Go on. On the rest. You go on about the values that were promoted by Blake's parents but make no mention of the values instilled in the 17 year old who shot three and killed two. Why? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 21:59:20 GMT
Quite. And I wish we could all have a frank discussion about why Oldie’s relatives are law abiding citizens and the Blakes of this world have warrants out for them which leads to encounters that end in shootings. Blake’s father was on TV criticising America as you would expect but I have to wonder what values he instilled in his son? When do we get to look at these problems in the round and have frank discussions about the conduct of the Police AND how characters like Blake are created? We’ve done that on here with regards to poverty etc but I don’t see much of it in the media, the narrative is solely focused on black people vs white racist cops and good v evil, with no attempt to discuss the responsibility that *everyone* has to ensure that stuff like this ends. Even George Floyd, whilst killed in cold blood, was committing a crime and resisting arrest in the lead up to his death. Black people are not being killed in a vacuum, there is misdemeanour involved in the build up but it seems like we can’t discuss how people’s lives get to that point and how it can change for the better. " Quite. And I wish we could all have a frank discussion about why Oldie’s relatives are law abiding citizens and the Blakes of this world have warrants out for them which leads to encounters that end in shootings." Let's have that discussion. The relatives are my son and three grandsons. Go on. On the rest. You go on about the values that were promoted by Blake's parents but make no mention of the values instilled in the 17 year old who shot three and killed two. Why? That’s a perfectly fair comment but the 17 year olds parents aren’t on the TV criticising the system for his arrest. I would hope though that wherever they are they are thoroughly ashamed of his behaviour and questioning their role in the fact that their son was on the streets armed and killing people. I’m not getting the sense that Blake’s family are ashamed of him. I condemn them both oldie but the impression I get from you is that we can only condemn the 17 year old for his conduct but Blake gets a pass because of his skin colour and that he is the product of his society whereas the 17 year old isn’t. If everyone in America was brought up with the right values and respect for life maybe it wouldn’t be such a f**ked up place. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 21:59:49 GMT
Yeah, anarchy and yet if Portland had it’s way their Police would be defunded. Portland is the poster child of what happens when law and order breaks down, as per their zone that rapidly got out of hand. Honestly, I’d like nothing more than to see Portland get nuked from orbit. Goodness me. Now you want to nuke people? That’s just for starters. |
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Post by William Wilson on Aug 31, 2020 5:27:29 GMT
Come off it. What did you mean by civil disobedience then? Non return of library books? You may never have called for violence, but you`ve certainly enjoyed watching it in action, haven`t you? You referred to the murderous rampage of the Baader Meinhoffer gang, as "heady days." In a few years time, you`ll probably be referring to today`s events in the US, in the same terms. You`ve got what you called for. Things could scarcely be more civilly disobedient. Enjoy. You are just making it up. Try commenting on the facts. About 50 pages ago somebody asked, what was next for the black community, and you replied "civil disobedience." I`m making that up? And before you argue, we all know what you mean by civil disobedience. You`ve already told us how much you enjoyed living through the days of The Red Army Faction. Or am I making that up too? |
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Post by William Wilson on Aug 31, 2020 5:50:04 GMT
" Quite. And I wish we could all have a frank discussion about why Oldie’s relatives are law abiding citizens and the Blakes of this world have warrants out for them which leads to encounters that end in shootings." Let's have that discussion. The relatives are my son and three grandsons. Go on. On the rest. You go on about the values that were promoted by Blake's parents but make no mention of the values instilled in the 17 year old who shot three and killed two. Why? If everyone in America was brought up with the right values and respect for life maybe it wouldn’t be such a f**ked up place. A lot of people don`t have the right values or respect for life though. They`re happy to see murder and mayhem, as long as it`s carried out by an ideology that accords with their own. True or false, Oldie? |
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