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Post by William Wilson on Sept 1, 2020 6:51:01 GMT
It`s not the mistakes of youth though, is it? You still look back on the murderous activities of the Baader Meinhoffers with nostalgia. You said so yourself, a month or so back. Was that the point when you stopped being young? It`s pretty clear that the intervening years haven`t changed you. Right wing president ( Nixon ) killing people. Shameful. Left wing terrorist group killing people. "Heady days." 1968 was a great year to be young. By 1970 the State was killing us. By 1980 we, that generation, were installing Local Area Networks. I was part of the team that managed the first LAN installation in the UK. Funnily enough, in Bristol. You don't get much more establishment than that...(but man did we have a laugh) What were you doing between 1980 and '82? Times change, we were kids in 1968 and I look back on that period with fond memories. Then we joined in the money chase. 😂😂😂 80-82, had just returned from living and working in Germany. Was driving a furniture lorry, as I recall. I was a kid in the early 70s, and I look back on that period with fond memories, but unlike you, no terrorist organisation plays a part in those fond memories. I worked in Germany at the height of the Red Army Faction terrorist campaign. I doubt very much that anybody actually caught up in it, would still regard it as part of a parcel of agreeable memories of their youth. |
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 1, 2020 6:56:38 GMT
I’m hearing the autopsy of George Floyd revealed he died of a fentanyl overdose. Wow, what a plot twist that would be. Kind of irrelevant. We have all seen the video. The Police helped kill him. At worst/best its manslaughter If it`s true, it won`t be kind of irrelevant in court. It`d be a totally different case to the one that we were expecting. |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 1, 2020 7:03:03 GMT
Kind of irrelevant. We have all seen the video. The Police helped kill him. At worst/best its manslaughter If it`s true, it won`t be kind of irrelevant in court. It`d be a totally different case to the one that we were expecting. I don't know the specifics of their charge list, but one is a manslaughter charge. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 7:50:20 GMT
If it`s true, it won`t be kind of irrelevant in court. It`d be a totally different case to the one that we were expecting. I don't know the specifics of their charge list, but one is a manslaughter charge. Floyd was left handed, allegedly. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 9:45:43 GMT
Kind of irrelevant. We have all seen the video. The Police helped kill him. At worst/best its manslaughter If it`s true, it won`t be kind of irrelevant in court. It`d be a totally different case to the one that we were expecting. I’m sure the original autopsy report showed drugs in his system as well as a heart defect. The family dismissed the findings and found a physician to come up with a different set of findings. Although kneeling on someone’s neck can’t ever really be condoned Is it an action that would reasonably be expected to cause death in the vast majority of cases? IMO the autopsy findings will have a massive part to play in the eventual trial if his medical history had a far bigger role in his death than the coppers actions. Unless we are saying coppers shouldn’t detain any criminal suspect until they have had a chance to fully review an individuals medical history! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 10:16:32 GMT
If it`s true, it won`t be kind of irrelevant in court. It`d be a totally different case to the one that we were expecting. I’m sure the original autopsy report showed drugs in his system as well as a heart defect. The family dismissed the findings and found a physician to come up with a different set of findings. Although kneeling on someone’s neck can’t ever really be condoned Is it an action that would reasonably be expected to cause death in the vast majority of cases? IMO the autopsy findings will have a massive part to play in the eventual trial if his medical history had a far bigger role in his death than the coppers actions. Unless we are saying coppers shouldn’t detain any criminal suspect until they have had a chance to fully review an individuals medical history! No of course not. But I do think that what has shocked an awful lot of people is the lack of humanity shown by the officer. The guy was screaming for his life....but it will be for the courts to decide if the officer in question acted unlawfully won't it. |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 1, 2020 10:30:56 GMT
If it`s true, it won`t be kind of irrelevant in court. It`d be a totally different case to the one that we were expecting. I’m sure the original autopsy report showed drugs in his system as well as a heart defect. The family dismissed the findings and found a physician to come up with a different set of findings. Although kneeling on someone’s neck can’t ever really be condoned Is it an action that would reasonably be expected to cause death in the vast majority of cases? IMO the autopsy findings will have a massive part to play in the eventual trial if his medical history had a far bigger role in his death than the coppers actions. Unless we are saying coppers shouldn’t detain any criminal suspect until they have had a chance to fully review an individuals medical history! No one is saying that though are they. What was it 9 minutes and. He was detained. He also had 3 other officers with him. If the copper eased off and it kicked off than surely they could have dealt with the situation. Even if he was a criminal, he deserves the right to not be killed directly or indirectly in a situation like that |
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 1, 2020 10:32:18 GMT
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Post by inee on Sept 1, 2020 10:33:47 GMT
If it`s true, it won`t be kind of irrelevant in court. It`d be a totally different case to the one that we were expecting. I’m sure the original autopsy report showed drugs in his system as well as a heart defect. The family dismissed the findings and found a physician to come up with a different set of findings. Although kneeling on someone’s neck can’t ever really be condoned Is it an action that would reasonably be expected to cause death in the vast majority of cases? IMO the autopsy findings will have a massive part to play in the eventual trial if his medical history had a far bigger role in his death than the coppers actions. Unless we are saying coppers shouldn’t detain any criminal suspect until they have had a chance to fully review an individuals medical history! Eric i differ slightly in my views on a a victims medical history and 1 punch deaths, if someone has a condition that if attacked could kill em and someone does just that. Then it should be charged as murder, same as if i stand on your throat, or kneel on your neck, i know that the person could die, well has a lot higher chance of death or disability due to my knee, then if that person dies you should be charged with murder simple as. We all know that kneeling on someone's back/chest can cause some horrific injuries due to organ damage. Yes i will admit it's a good restraining technique but should always be a last resort. As an aside wend read out a news item off the web an american woman called police as she thought the turkey tails she was cooking was a human penis ,only in america |
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Post by inee on Sept 1, 2020 10:36:25 GMT
Another protester was shot and killed by another protester and not one word has been said, it seems people only care about life if the dead person fits within a narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 10:39:56 GMT
I’m sure the original autopsy report showed drugs in his system as well as a heart defect. The family dismissed the findings and found a physician to come up with a different set of findings. Although kneeling on someone’s neck can’t ever really be condoned Is it an action that would reasonably be expected to cause death in the vast majority of cases? IMO the autopsy findings will have a massive part to play in the eventual trial if his medical history had a far bigger role in his death than the coppers actions. Unless we are saying coppers shouldn’t detain any criminal suspect until they have had a chance to fully review an individuals medical history! No one is saying that though are they. What was it 9 minutes and. He was detained. He also had 3 other officers with him. If the copper eased off and it kicked off than surely they could have dealt with the situation. Even if he was a criminal, he deserves the right to not be killed directly or indirectly in a situation like that Two coppers and a taser weren’t enough to keep Blake detained and from what I remember Floyd was a six and a half foot bouncer so perhaps not keen to let him up? He’d also complained of not being able to breath before he was pinned to the floor (whilst they were trying to cuff him?) so maybe a bit of boy who cried wolf? At least by the time it comes to court all the facts will be available and hopefully a fair outcome achieved rather than a politically driven decision. Unfortunately, when the story first broke only minimal facts came out leading to widespread unrest and violence, similar to that following the Blake case. The media helped fuel this by being very selective on what they first reported and the with the headlines put on front pages. |
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 1, 2020 10:44:00 GMT
Another protester was shot and killed by another protester and not one word has been said, it seems people only care about life if the dead person fits within a narrative. Depressingly true. |
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 1, 2020 10:47:56 GMT
I’m sure the original autopsy report showed drugs in his system as well as a heart defect. The family dismissed the findings and found a physician to come up with a different set of findings. Although kneeling on someone’s neck can’t ever really be condoned Is it an action that would reasonably be expected to cause death in the vast majority of cases? IMO the autopsy findings will have a massive part to play in the eventual trial if his medical history had a far bigger role in his death than the coppers actions. Unless we are saying coppers shouldn’t detain any criminal suspect until they have had a chance to fully review an individuals medical history! As an aside wend read out a news item off the web an american woman called police as she thought the turkey tails she was cooking was a human penis ,only in america I wonder if she could taste the difference? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 10:49:59 GMT
Another 102 car attacks to equal the number the protestors destroyed on one single car lot on the night Blake died. Ummm, the car attacks from the right wing racists are cars driving into people (or attempting to) Not damage to cars. |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 1, 2020 10:57:13 GMT
No one is saying that though are they. What was it 9 minutes and. He was detained. He also had 3 other officers with him. If the copper eased off and it kicked off than surely they could have dealt with the situation. Even if he was a criminal, he deserves the right to not be killed directly or indirectly in a situation like that Two coppers and a taser weren’t enough to keep Blake detained and from what I remember Floyd was a six and a half foot bouncer so perhaps not keen to let him up? He’d also complained of not being able to breath before he was pinned to the floor (whilst they were trying to cuff him?) so maybe a bit of boy who cried wolf? At least by the time it comes to court all the facts will be available and hopefully a fair outcome achieved rather than a politically driven decision. Unfortunately, when the story first broke only minimal facts came out leading to widespread unrest and violence, similar to that following the Blake case. The media helped fuel this by being very selective on what they first reported and the with the headlines put on front pages. maybe they weren't keen for him to get up. there were also 3 other coppers stood around doing nothing. maybe 1 of those could have help restrain him after Floyd was saying he couldn't breathe Floyd is one thing, but their policing as a whole needs to be reviewd. Much like the guy who I posted above who complied, put his hands on his head and was still kicked to the floor. They thought he was someone he wasn't, what steps did they take to find out? |
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Post by baggins on Sept 1, 2020 11:24:37 GMT
As an aside wend read out a news item off the web an american woman called police as she thought the turkey tails she was cooking was a human penis ,only in america I wonder if she could taste the difference? Was it an M&S penis? |
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 1, 2020 11:29:47 GMT
I wonder if she could taste the difference? Was it an M&S penis? Absolutely. 100% pork. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 11:30:40 GMT
I wonder if she could taste the difference? Was it an M&S penis? No Iceland Harder....I'll get me coat |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 12:42:43 GMT
Two coppers and a taser weren’t enough to keep Blake detained and from what I remember Floyd was a six and a half foot bouncer so perhaps not keen to let him up? He’d also complained of not being able to breath before he was pinned to the floor (whilst they were trying to cuff him?) so maybe a bit of boy who cried wolf? At least by the time it comes to court all the facts will be available and hopefully a fair outcome achieved rather than a politically driven decision. Unfortunately, when the story first broke only minimal facts came out leading to widespread unrest and violence, similar to that following the Blake case. The media helped fuel this by being very selective on what they first reported and the with the headlines put on front pages. maybe they weren't keen for him to get up. there were also 3 other coppers stood around doing nothing. maybe 1 of those could have help restrain him after Floyd was saying he couldn't breathe Floyd is one thing, but their policing as a whole needs to be reviewd. Much like the guy who I posted above who complied, put his hands on his head and was still kicked to the floor. They thought he was someone he wasn't, what steps did they take to find out? Quite a few maybe’s there. Perhaps the biggest Maybe is people actually do as they are told and not resist the police? All too familiar in today’s society is that scumbags (black and whatever) have no respect for the law. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 13:11:56 GMT
maybe they weren't keen for him to get up. there were also 3 other coppers stood around doing nothing. maybe 1 of those could have help restrain him after Floyd was saying he couldn't breathe Floyd is one thing, but their policing as a whole needs to be reviewd. Much like the guy who I posted above who complied, put his hands on his head and was still kicked to the floor. They thought he was someone he wasn't, what steps did they take to find out? Quite a few maybe’s there. Perhaps the biggest Maybe is people actually do as they are told and not resist the police? All too familiar in today’s society is that scumbags (black and whatever) have no respect for the law. The sad fact is Eric that too many in the Afro American community in the States do not trust the police. Sadly the police themselves have given them reason not to. |
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