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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 8:50:17 GMT
Who's theory is that? (I'm quite in to philosophy obviously) My own experience. When I've been in a depressed state and when I've come out of it I've realised the world has stayed the same only my mind has changed Oh yeah, we project ourselves on to the world. We see what we want to see. Anyway I'm diverting the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 8:59:46 GMT
To get the thread back on track. A man (Reinhoehl) who killed a right wing activist was shot and killed by 4 police upon arrest. The right winger (Rittenhouse) who killed two left wing activists was safely arrested. I know people will say the guy who was killed may have resisted, but there is still a conversation to be had about the balance of power in the US, and it is institutionally white. www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/us/michael-reinoehl-arrest-portland-shooting.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 10:31:39 GMT
Would you agree that greed and corruption will vastly help the individual rise to the top of the current system? Greed, yes. Corruption...not quite
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Post by baggins on Sept 4, 2020 10:56:00 GMT
Would you agree that greed and corruption will vastly help the individual rise to the top of the current system? Greed, yes. Corruption...not quite Don't the 2 go pretty much hand in hand these days?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 12:45:01 GMT
Would you agree that greed and corruption will vastly help the individual rise to the top of the current system? Greed, yes. Corruption...not quite Going to need you to fully agree, or I'll have to delete my account 😉.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 12:53:49 GMT
To get the thread back on track. A man (Reinhoehl) who killed a right wing activist was shot and killed by 4 police upon arrest. The right winger (Rittenhouse) who killed two left wing activists was safely arrested. I know people will say the guy who was killed may have resisted, but there is still a conversation to be had about the balance of power in the US, and it is institutionally white. www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/us/michael-reinoehl-arrest-portland-shooting.htmlB-b-b but only black people get shot by the Police! I can only go by what I have read but the difference it seems is that Rittenhouse was arrested a day later and presumably offered no resistance, this guy (so the article states) was arrested at his home and in possession of a weapon at the time of his arrest. In that sense it’s nice to see some consistency from the Police In that no matter what the colour of your skin if you play up during an arrest you run the risk of being shot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 13:09:30 GMT
To get the thread back on track. A man (Reinhoehl) who killed a right wing activist was shot and killed by 4 police upon arrest. The right winger (Rittenhouse) who killed two left wing activists was safely arrested. I know people will say the guy who was killed may have resisted, but there is still a conversation to be had about the balance of power in the US, and it is institutionally white. www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/us/michael-reinoehl-arrest-portland-shooting.htmlB-b-b but only black people get shot by the Police! I can only go by what I have read but the difference it seems is that Rittenhouse was arrested a day later and presumably offered no resistance, this guy (so the article states) was arrested at his home and in possession of a weapon at the time of his arrest. In that sense it’s nice to see some consistency from the Police In that no matter what the colour of your skin if you play up during an arrest you run the risk of being shot. Problem is, if you are black the cops roll in blazing as the presumption is black people are armed and dangerous (higher rate of black criminals). The white dude killed 2 people, the president has sung his praises and 400k dollars has been raised in a crowd funder for the white guy. Something is rotten there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 14:10:44 GMT
Greed, yes. Corruption...not quite Going to need you to fully agree, or I'll have to delete my account 😉. 😂😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 17:07:54 GMT
B-b-b but only black people get shot by the Police! I can only go by what I have read but the difference it seems is that Rittenhouse was arrested a day later and presumably offered no resistance, this guy (so the article states) was arrested at his home and in possession of a weapon at the time of his arrest. In that sense it’s nice to see some consistency from the Police In that no matter what the colour of your skin if you play up during an arrest you run the risk of being shot. Problem is, if you are black the cops roll in blazing as the presumption is black people are armed and dangerous (higher rate of black criminals). The white dude killed 2 people, the president has sung his praises and 400k dollars has been raised in a crowd funder for the white guy. Something is rotten there. Really? The 17 year old has generated 400,000 in crowdfunding? Presumably for his defence costs? Strewth. It’s a totally different kettle of fish than Police shooting people, but if true then it simply shows how people’s behaviour is governed more by which side they are on than any sense of morality.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 6:24:35 GMT
Problem is, if you are black the cops roll in blazing as the presumption is black people are armed and dangerous (higher rate of black criminals). The white dude killed 2 people, the president has sung his praises and 400k dollars has been raised in a crowd funder for the white guy. Something is rotten there. Really? The 17 year old has generated 400,000 in crowdfunding? Presumably for his defence costs? Strewth. It’s a totally different kettle of fish than Police shooting people, but if true then it simply shows how people’s behaviour is governed more by which side they are on than any sense of morality. www.insider.com/fundraising-efforts-kyle-rittenhouse-hit-nearly-1-million-2020-9A Christian group are raising it. Not sure if there is anything about killing to protect property in the Bible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 9:15:40 GMT
Really? The 17 year old has generated 400,000 in crowdfunding? Presumably for his defence costs? Strewth. It’s a totally different kettle of fish than Police shooting people, but if true then it simply shows how people’s behaviour is governed more by which side they are on than any sense of morality. www.insider.com/fundraising-efforts-kyle-rittenhouse-hit-nearly-1-million-2020-9A Christian group are raising it. Not sure if there is anything about killing to protect property in the Bible. Fascists always translate religion through a distorted prism, whatever their choice faith.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 10:40:33 GMT
Really? The 17 year old has generated 400,000 in crowdfunding? Presumably for his defence costs? Strewth. It’s a totally different kettle of fish than Police shooting people, but if true then it simply shows how people’s behaviour is governed more by which side they are on than any sense of morality. www.insider.com/fundraising-efforts-kyle-rittenhouse-hit-nearly-1-million-2020-9A Christian group are raising it. Not sure if there is anything about killing to protect property in the Bible. I can’t get my head round that. Mad.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 10, 2020 9:59:23 GMT
B-b-b but only black people get shot by the Police! I can only go by what I have read but the difference it seems is that Rittenhouse was arrested a day later and presumably offered no resistance, this guy (so the article states) was arrested at his home and in possession of a weapon at the time of his arrest. In that sense it’s nice to see some consistency from the Police In that no matter what the colour of your skin if you play up during an arrest you run the risk of being shot. Problem is, if you are black the cops roll in blazing as the presumption is black people are armed and dangerous (higher rate of black criminals). That is simply not true.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 13:08:32 GMT
Problem is, if you are black the cops roll in blazing as the presumption is black people are armed and dangerous (higher rate of black criminals). That is simply not true. Plenty of cases to prove so unfortunately.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 10, 2020 13:18:55 GMT
Plenty of cases to prove so unfortunately. There actually isn't All the facts suggest otherwise Where have you seen these cases? You also need to look at the data in depth. Where are the incidents in question? Unarmed doesn't necessarily mean not dangerous either. Having lived and spent time in America, notably Baltimore, Chicago and Milwaukee I know first hand how dangerous some parts of these City's are, where homicide rates are some of the highest in the entire world, where gang violence and gun crime is rife
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 13:30:44 GMT
Plenty of cases to prove so unfortunately. There actually isn't All the facts suggest otherwise Where have you seen these cases? You also need to look at the data in depth. Where are the incidents in question? Unarmed doesn't necessarily mean not dangerous either. Having lived and spent time in America, notably Baltimore, Chicago and Milwaukee I know first hand how dangerous some parts of these City's are, where homicide rates are some of the highest in the entire world, where gang violence and gun crime is rife Yeah this has already been discussed in depth in this thread. Why do black areas have more crime, is it because they have darker skin than others? No, black people are treated like sh*t in America, they are not welcome and actively oppressed. They have even attempted to integrate into white culture but are still treated as second class citizens. Hence the heavy handed policing, which has killed unarmed and innocent black people. Yes, there are bad people of all skin colours, but the US prison system shows it has prejudices against non whites.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 10, 2020 13:58:05 GMT
There actually isn't All the facts suggest otherwise Where have you seen these cases? You also need to look at the data in depth. Where are the incidents in question? Unarmed doesn't necessarily mean not dangerous either. Having lived and spent time in America, notably Baltimore, Chicago and Milwaukee I know first hand how dangerous some parts of these City's are, where homicide rates are some of the highest in the entire world, where gang violence and gun crime is rife Yeah this has already been discussed in depth in this thread. Why do black areas have more crime, is it because they have darker skin than others? No, black people are treated like sh*t in America, they are not welcome and actively oppressed. They have even attempted to integrate into white culture but are still treated as second class citizens. Hence the heavy handed policing, which has killed unarmed and innocent black people. Yes, there are bad people of all skin colours, but the US prison system shows it has prejudices against non whites. Where is your source of all this false information? Black people are not all treated like sh*t in America, this isn't 1930's Mississippi, of course they are welcome and are not oppressed whatsoever. Where does all this false narrative come from? Is there heavy handed policing? Yeah absolutely, i'm not denying that, but some parts of inner city America are sh** holes which quite frankly need heavy handed policing. I am not disputing that unarmed and innocent Black people have been killed, but this narrative that they are disproportionately targeted and murdered by the Police is absolute nonsense. A Black person being killed by a police officer is about as rare as a Black person being struck by lightning. These false narratives are gobbled up by the Mainstream Media, and people lap up this nonsense, they'd rather listen to Lebron James or Jay Z, 2 multi Billionaires who still claim to be oppressed, than highly educated, highly intelligent Black people like Larry Elder(A brilliant author and respected lawyer), Thomas Sowell(One of the Worlds great economists) and Ben Carson(Literally a Neurosurgeon, one of the best in the field who performed the only successful separation of conjoined twins joined at the back of the head) who all grew up in Jim Crow era America where they really were oppressed, who deal with facts about what life is like as a Black man in modern day America, not false narratives and constant victimhood.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 15:03:39 GMT
Yeah this has already been discussed in depth in this thread. Why do black areas have more crime, is it because they have darker skin than others? No, black people are treated like sh*t in America, they are not welcome and actively oppressed. They have even attempted to integrate into white culture but are still treated as second class citizens. Hence the heavy handed policing, which has killed unarmed and innocent black people. Yes, there are bad people of all skin colours, but the US prison system shows it has prejudices against non whites. Where is your source of all this false information? Black people are not all treated like sh*t in America, this isn't 1930's Mississippi, of course they are welcome and are not oppressed whatsoever. Where does all this false narrative come from? Is there heavy handed policing? Yeah absolutely, i'm not denying that, but some parts of inner city America are sh** holes which quite frankly need heavy handed policing. I am not disputing that unarmed and innocent Black people have been killed, but this narrative that they are disproportionately targeted and murdered by the Police is absolute nonsense. A Black person being killed by a police officer is about as rare as a Black person being struck by lightning. These false narratives are gobbled up by the Mainstream Media, and people lap up this nonsense, they'd rather listen to Lebron James or Jay Z, 2 multi Billionaires who still claim to be oppressed, than highly educated, highly intelligent Black people like Larry Elder(A brilliant author and respected lawyer), Thomas Sowell(One of the Worlds great economists) and Ben Carson(Literally a Neurosurgeon, one of the best in the field who performed the only successful separation of conjoined twins joined at the back of the head) who all grew up in Jim Crow era America where they really were oppressed, who deal with facts about what life is like as a Black man in modern day America, not false narratives and constant victimhood. I am glad you speak from the perspective of someone who has lived there. I agree the more offensive forms of racism and prejudice are not as visible as the recent past. But, given your experience of living there, what's your view on why 100% of kids in inner city Baltimore MD are poor enough to qualify for school meal subsidies? Of that 100% 62.5% are from minority backgrounds. Why?
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 10, 2020 16:20:18 GMT
Where is your source of all this false information? Black people are not all treated like sh*t in America, this isn't 1930's Mississippi, of course they are welcome and are not oppressed whatsoever. Where does all this false narrative come from? Is there heavy handed policing? Yeah absolutely, i'm not denying that, but some parts of inner city America are sh** holes which quite frankly need heavy handed policing. I am not disputing that unarmed and innocent Black people have been killed, but this narrative that they are disproportionately targeted and murdered by the Police is absolute nonsense. A Black person being killed by a police officer is about as rare as a Black person being struck by lightning. These false narratives are gobbled up by the Mainstream Media, and people lap up this nonsense, they'd rather listen to Lebron James or Jay Z, 2 multi Billionaires who still claim to be oppressed, than highly educated, highly intelligent Black people like Larry Elder(A brilliant author and respected lawyer), Thomas Sowell(One of the Worlds great economists) and Ben Carson(Literally a Neurosurgeon, one of the best in the field who performed the only successful separation of conjoined twins joined at the back of the head) who all grew up in Jim Crow era America where they really were oppressed, who deal with facts about what life is like as a Black man in modern day America, not false narratives and constant victimhood. I am glad you speak from the perspective of someone who has lived there. I agree the more offensive forms of racism and prejudice are not as visible as the recent past. But, given your experience of living there, what's your view on why 100% of kids in inner city Baltimore MD are poor enough to qualify for school meal subsidies? Of that 100% 62.5% are from minority backgrounds. Why? Baltimore is a huge City, the population is about 600,000, but I would say there are probably around 30,000 abandoned homes, and the population 40 years ago was close to 1,000,000 it's a City that has been in decline for decades. It's not just a Black issue, you're right it has an over 60% Black majority population, but the majority of the White population in Baltimore live below or are close to the poverty line too. I lived in Fells Point which is gentrified and pretty affluent, right by the inner harbour(Which is beautiful by the way), but apart from that the only other place you would call nice is Hampden which is right on the outskirts of Baltimore, nearer the county than the City which is a middle class suburb. The rest of the City is a crumbling mess The majority of Baltimore neighbourhoods are not that pleasant, Little Italy and Pigtown are 2 of the worst and they're predominantly "White" neighbourhoods. Baltimore has also been a Democrat run City for nearly 60 years, it has had Black Mayors, Black Senators, Black Commissioners, Black Police Chiefs etc, it's not just Baltimore either, plenty of Democrat run Cities, one's i've already mentioned Chicago and Milwaukee, plus Detroit and St Louis and a whole host of others have also been run by Democrats where the people who have been running them have been Black too with similar outcomes. These Democrat politicians are oblivious to the connection between there so called 'progressive policies' and the demise of the American family, and the burden placed upon job creators, they're clueless. Do you think the Black families started being broken up, and single mothers started being on welfare, just because?? Those figures are 3 times worse now than they were 60 years ago. The narrative should not be that Black people are oppressed, it should be that the Democrats have let poverty and decay fester in their Cities for both Blacks & Whites. People i've mentioned like the Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell and Ben Carson, get called Uncle Tom, Coon, Boot Lickers, House N*ggers constantly for dealing with facts and logic rather than these false narratives and victimhood. America elected a Black President, not for just 1 term but also re-elected him for a 2nd, he was in charge for 8 years, with him at the helm, it got worse, because he too was a Democrat who allowed this to happen in those Cities.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 19:08:11 GMT
Just been reading a bit about Sasha Johnson. Had never heard of her before but one of the Leaders of BLM UK apparently. Chucked off twitter for saying white people with never be their equal but our slaves. Nice. Also shouted down a black guy with opposing views - repeatedly calling him a c**n. Nice.
Just the sort of person we need to help Race relations.
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