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Post by oldgas on Jul 17, 2020 17:26:26 GMT
Kevin Maher was a first team coach not assistant manager. As regards the appointment, when Danny Cowley and his brother took over at Lincoln they were unknown quantities, inexperienced and brought a certain philosophy with them. Garner is doing exactly the same and he’s going to do it now with his team, his players and his methods. IMO it has a similar feel about it to the beginning of DCs reign, terrible starts, unknown inexperienced manager and look where that got us. Give it a chance I’ll say. DC already had a couple of non league promotions on his CV, Cowley was also non-league manager at Concord and Braintree for the best part of a decade before taking over at at then National League side Lincoln, BG's attempting to learn the job in league one football rather than non-league. Ok Topper this will be a complete and utter disaster. The board should listen to you. Who do you recommend, and why?
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Post by bluebiro on Jul 17, 2020 17:29:11 GMT
One minute he is backing him then not.perhaps he ought to go back to otib where he usually posts
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Post by badengas on Jul 17, 2020 17:32:14 GMT
Great appointment in my opinion, the future is bright The future is Gorringe
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Post by dinsdale on Jul 17, 2020 17:32:37 GMT
For me we are crying out for an experienced number two especially as Garner has been woeful thus far. Whilst he would be a welcome addition to the coaching staff we lack any kind of experience with league football management.
That aside we can just change it in December so not going to lose any sleep
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 17, 2020 17:39:52 GMT
DC already had a couple of non league promotions on his CV, Cowley was also non-league manager at Concord and Braintree for the best part of a decade before taking over at at then National League side Lincoln, BG's attempting to learn the job in league one football rather than non-league. Ok Topper this will be a complete and utter disaster. The board should listen to you. Who do you recommend, and why? Suggest you read the entire thread before commenting on the first post you come across. BG will get my full support when next season starts but that doesn't mean I'm kidding myself like some posters he's the next Frank Lampard etc.
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Post by badengas on Jul 17, 2020 17:41:33 GMT
This is clearly the Manager's decision and as such both he and the club are to be applauded. Make your own choices and live or die by them is exactly the way Management should be.
I'm excited about the season, let's all get behind the team and enjoy the ride.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 17:54:24 GMT
Big gamble on two inexperienced coaches, the uncertainty of when and how next season will start won't help them either, difficult for anyone to prepare for that outcome. Can't see either of these coaches taking on JCH when he throws one of his tantrums on or off the field. At least Coughlan had that in his locker and when he left us we were 4th in the league. I think we should see Mesure in action before we condemn him. He may be the sort of personality who is perfectly capable of sticking a rocket up somebody's ar*e when needed. Hopefully he's Yin to BG's Yang!
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Post by rovers69 on Jul 17, 2020 17:57:40 GMT
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jul 17, 2020 17:58:44 GMT
Agree.BG has a quite awful record thus far as bad as it gets but now he will have his own team ,style and pre season to do it his way. Has my full support so we all need to get behind him.Why GC really left perhaps is no longer relevant and the new training facility and positive vibes coming from the club will underline the optimism all round.Fixtures like;Sunderland,Ipswich ,Pompey,Muff etc will attract big crowds (if they are allowed by then under Virus rules).Once we have a starting date,a few new signings and fixtures things will become real at last. Have already asked my son if I can leave my car at his when we visit Crewe and little plans like that I have really missed. My neighbour is a Chelsea season ticket holder and has never heard of the new assistant manager but think we need to back the management team 100%.
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Post by rovers69 on Jul 17, 2020 18:04:08 GMT
For all the negatives who are just waiting to complain-Ashton Gate is waiting for you-
Its a new beginning with the GAS-youth being given the oppurtunity to progress and succeed and they will need true gas heads to support them,not the desire of some on here to fail so they can carry on complaining.
If complainers can do better I suggest they put their money up or shut up.
Just get behind the manager and the team,you might find you enjoy it
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Post by TugPhase on Jul 17, 2020 18:12:24 GMT
So much negativity. I think, in our current position, to have a chance to progress we need to roll the dice. Yes, we have two at the helm who have experience as 'academy coaches' but crucially they buy into the same philosophy. They work in the same way. Yes, some players might not like it but at our level the individuals aren't important, the idea is. The system is more important. Bringing in a journeyman type no. 2 doesn't fit the system. They will have their old school way of doing things and it will just restrict and conflict with BG. If you're going to roll the dice, let's do it properly. A new system and style for Rovers (with contacts at Premier League teams to boot). I have a good feeling.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 17, 2020 18:49:32 GMT
Kevin Maher was a first team coach not assistant manager. As regards the appointment, when Danny Cowley and his brother took over at Lincoln they were unknown quantities, inexperienced and brought a certain philosophy with them. Garner is doing exactly the same and he’s going to do it now with his team, his players and his methods. IMO it has a similar feel about it to the beginning of DCs reign, terrible starts, unknown inexperienced manager and look where that got us. Give it a chance I’ll say. I agree 1981 but the difference is Lincoln started well, BG didn’t so he didn’t get that support that a good start gives you. But the rest I agree with about BG. Another point about this appointment is that whilst I can see that League 1 management experience might be not so great I don’t buy into this “you need experience” to succeed. Sometimes it helps but we’ve all seen experienced managers who fail and who totally fail to inspire. And it’s best not to confuse “experience” with being “long-standing”. Sometimes people who’ve been in the game a long time like to think they are experienced when in truth they may have had one experience 20 times. That doesn’t make them experienced. Whereas someone who’s been in the game for 7/8 years may be more experienced with different experiences. The other thing I do like about this is that the recruitment of players and staff and what else that’s been going on does seem to fit a plan, which is unusual for us! Whatever, they’ll get my support because they are the Manager and AM of BRFC. It may go very wrong but there’s no guarantees about any signing, player or staff. Fingers crossed. UTG!
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 17, 2020 18:57:46 GMT
Let's mesure him on results and feedback not write him off, some here thought JCH was a rubbish buy at the time
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 19:01:45 GMT
I presume he’ll still have support and advice from Steve Coppell on an informal basis? The club has put their faith in Garner and have rightly let him choose someone who shares his philosophies and who he trusts. Perhaps the club could have appeased some of our fans and forced a journeyman upon his coaching team? Personally, I’m quietly optimistic and looking forward to a fresh approach with hungry young players and coaches. So you're hoping a "journeyman" is still around to give BG support? What happens if Coppell gets a job himself or decides he doesn't want to continue giving BG free advice? Only you could find a negative in a young manager having a mentor, someone vastly experienced and who is willing to offer support/advice when he needs it with no cost to the club!
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Post by chilly1883 on Jul 17, 2020 19:31:47 GMT
Key word here with Ben and this guy. Highly rated academy coaches. lovely bit of negativity 👏👏 let’s not even give em a chance 👍🏽
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 17, 2020 19:46:36 GMT
So you're hoping a "journeyman" is still around to give BG support? What happens if Coppell gets a job himself or decides he doesn't want to continue giving BG free advice? Only you could find a negative in a young manager having a mentor, someone vastly experienced and who is willing to offer support/advice when he needs it with no cost to the club! No negativity from me just pointing out you don't want a journeyman on the coaching staff but want one giving the manager free advice. BG and his assistant will live and die by the results next season, not be whether Pirate and co think he's the best manager in L1.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 20:10:16 GMT
Kevin Maher was a first team coach not assistant manager. As regards the appointment, when Danny Cowley and his brother took over at Lincoln they were unknown quantities, inexperienced and brought a certain philosophy with them. Garner is doing exactly the same and he’s going to do it now with his team, his players and his methods. IMO it has a similar feel about it to the beginning of DCs reign, terrible starts, unknown inexperienced manager and look where that got us. Give it a chance I’ll say. More or less my exact thoughts I thought of the Cowley brothers when this was announced. You sure it wasn't the Bewlay brothers.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 17, 2020 20:18:22 GMT
Key word here with Ben and this guy. Highly rated academy coaches. lovely bit of negativity 👏👏 let’s not even give em a chance 👍🏽 Garner has had more than a chance. I’m usually very positive. I’d argue to the hilt I’m not a ‘negative’. I’m generally bordering on rose tinter. This guys term though will only end in tears I’m afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 20:21:29 GMT
So much negativity. I think, in our current position, to have a chance to progress we need to roll the dice. Yes, we have two at the helm who have experience as 'academy coaches' but crucially they buy into the same philosophy. They work in the same way. Yes, some players might not like it but at our level the individuals aren't important, the idea is. The system is more important. Bringing in a journeyman type no. 2 doesn't fit the system. They will have their old school way of doing things and it will just restrict and conflict with BG. If you're going to roll the dice, let's do it properly. A new system and style for Rovers (with contacts at Premier League teams to boot). I have a good feeling. This is great post and i think you've summed it up perfectly. Of course it could go wrong but I for one have real sense of optimism and if it all comes off this could be the start of another great time to be supporting the Gas,
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 17, 2020 20:28:40 GMT
For all the negatives who are just waiting to complain-Ashton Gate is waiting for you- Its a new beginning with the GAS-youth being given the oppurtunity to progress and succeed and they will need true gas heads to support them,not the desire of some on here to fail so they can carry on complaining. If complainers can do better I suggest they put their money up or shut up. Just get behind the manager and the team,you might find you enjoy it Like I’ve said. I’m usually a rose tinter. I want Rovers to succeed, and better itself as a club. If I’m concerned the manager isn’t cutting the mustard, and there’s a vacancy for assistant manager, it is not unreasonable for me to question his decisions he is making as to the footballing setup. I’m sure that Jack Mesure would make a great member of the coaching staff. But under these circumstances i am worried this manager has chucked away the opportunity to get someone with significant experience behind them. Heaven forbid someone criticise a manager with such a fantastic win record as Ben? Any other club and they’d be expecting significantly more from the man other than excuses. Seems to me the action of a sh** head would be to applaud a manager with such a win ratio to be kept on as long as the results are that woeful.
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