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Post by pirate on Jul 17, 2020 20:36:57 GMT
Any club that has success usually has everyone pulling in the same direction, not the same old voices making snide and sniping remarks at every opportunity. Hopefully the management team will be given the chance to get their ideas across with their own signings and we will will see a better style of football and the results to go with it. Then maybe we can attract the stay away fans back who went missing during Cocko's reign, when it is safe and well to do so of course.
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Post by piratejames on Jul 17, 2020 20:45:47 GMT
I can’t understand why anyone would be disappointed in this, a coach who was trusted with the development of a champions league playing team’s future players has moved to us. That is a seriously big responsibility this guy had, teams like Chelsea rely on there academy massively, I personally love this.
And on the whole garner situation, yes it was a bad start, but has anyone stopped and thought that he took over a team that had just had the shock of a manager walking out on them half way through the season. I can’t imagine that was an easy dressing room to walk into. He’s got the training ground, coach, starting to shape his own squad, so give it until half way through the next season and that’s when he could be judged.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 21:08:08 GMT
Only you could find a negative in a young manager having a mentor, someone vastly experienced and who is willing to offer support/advice when he needs it with no cost to the club! No negativity from me just pointing out you don't want a journeyman on the coaching staff but want one giving the manager free advice. BG and his assistant will live and die by the results next season, not be whether Pirate and co think he's the best manager in L1. I’ll take the bait this time although it’s clear you like to argue most posts on this forum. I don’t want a journeyman imposed on the manager as a full-time member of his coaching team if it is not something he wants. Having an experienced manager, someone who appears to have taken BG under his wing a bit, who he trusts and is at the end of the phone when he wants advice cannot be a bad thing? Surely it’s not too difficult to see the difference between them!
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Post by socrates on Jul 17, 2020 22:57:27 GMT
Looks like Garner . In fact I thought it was Garner with slightly different hair. I would have thought Garner would have brought a more experienced assistant in. There’s no such thing as a good or bad signing on day one though. That will he decided by success or lack of it.
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Post by dinsdale on Jul 18, 2020 6:48:57 GMT
I can’t understand why anyone would be disappointed in this, a coach who was trusted with the development of a champions league playing team’s future players has moved to us. That is a seriously big responsibility this guy had, teams like Chelsea rely on there academy massively, I personally love this. And on the whole garner situation, yes it was a bad start, but has anyone stopped and thought that he took over a team that had just had the shock of a manager walking out on them half way through the season. I can’t imagine that was an easy dressing room to walk into. He’s got the training ground, coach, starting to shape his own squad, so give it until half way through the next season and that’s when he could be judged. Up the gas In happy hes been able to bring someone in and that person needs to be his choice. Do i think they will deliver success no not based on how poor Garner has been so far and statistically they are unlikely to as such inexperienced league managers and the fact we are so rarely successful . See how they do sack them if needed
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Post by pirate on Jul 18, 2020 7:01:17 GMT
I can’t understand why anyone would be disappointed in this, a coach who was trusted with the development of a champions league playing team’s future players has moved to us. That is a seriously big responsibility this guy had, teams like Chelsea rely on there academy massively, I personally love this. And on the whole garner situation, yes it was a bad start, but has anyone stopped and thought that he took over a team that had just had the shock of a manager walking out on them half way through the season. I can’t imagine that was an easy dressing room to walk into. He’s got the training ground, coach, starting to shape his own squad, so give it until half way through the next season and that’s when he could be judged. Up the gas In happy hes been able to bring someone in and that person needs to be his choice. Do i think they will deliver success no not based on how poor Garner has been so far and statistically they are unlikely to as such inexperienced league managers and the fact we are so rarely successful . See how they do sack them if needed But, as you said when Garner was appointed "a great coach who deserves a chance." Lets hope after bringing in his own assistant and players that the fans give him that chance to turn things around. Even Tony Craig after getting released said about Garner that "he’s a very good coach and his training sessions were very good", so it will be interesting to see what happens next season when he gets the side that he wants to put out and a pre-season behind him.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 18, 2020 7:40:04 GMT
In happy hes been able to bring someone in and that person needs to be his choice. Do i think they will deliver success no not based on how poor Garner has been so far and statistically they are unlikely to as such inexperienced league managers and the fact we are so rarely successful . See how they do sack them if needed But, as you said when Garner was appointed "a great coach who deserves a chance." Lets hope after bringing in his own assistant and players that the fans give him that chance to turn things around. Even Tony Craig after getting released said about Garner that "he’s a very good coach and his training sessions were very good", so it will be interesting to see what happens next season when he gets the side that he wants to put out and a pre-season behind him. So every one considers he's a good coach, the issue is whether he's can step up to become a good manager or like PT just remain a good coach for the rest of his career. I sense as clubs go we're as good as ever at giving managers a chance, if we weren't BG wouldn't still be Rovers manager? Assuming JM left Chelsea on good terms, BG's comments thanking them suggests he did, I wonder how many players of there young players he can convince to join to us this season? Hopefully Grant is going to be one of them.
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Post by brads213 on Jul 18, 2020 7:50:07 GMT
Oh dear another backward step
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Post by Marshy on Jul 18, 2020 7:55:37 GMT
Oh dear another backward step And you know this how? Let’s just write the man off before he even gets here eh!
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 18, 2020 7:56:11 GMT
Oh dear another backward step More coaching experience than Lampard and Gerrard but everyone would be raving if we appointed them or someone like them.
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Post by pirate on Jul 18, 2020 8:02:16 GMT
But, as you said when Garner was appointed "a great coach who deserves a chance." Lets hope after bringing in his own assistant and players that the fans give him that chance to turn things around. Even Tony Craig after getting released said about Garner that "he’s a very good coach and his training sessions were very good", so it will be interesting to see what happens next season when he gets the side that he wants to put out and a pre-season behind him. So every one considers he's a good coach, the issue is whether he's can step up to become a good manager or like PT just remain a good coach for the rest of his career. I sense as clubs go we're as good as ever at giving managers a chance, if we weren't BG wouldn't still be Rovers manager? Assuming JM left Chelsea on good terms, BG's comments thanking them suggests he did, I wonder how many players of there young players he can convince to join to us this season? Hopefully Grant is going to be one of them. During Mesure's time at Chelsea he coached all age groups between the U15s and U23s, so he will have built up relationships and know the taĺent at the club. It will certainly give us a great opportunity of securing some of those players because Chelsea will know the players will be be coming to capable hands and a coach they can trust to do the right things. One Chelsea player has already tweeted how sad he was to see him go.
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Post by piratejames on Jul 18, 2020 9:16:54 GMT
Oh dear another backward step And you know this how? Let’s just write the man off before he even gets here eh! Unfortunately there are some fans out there that will pick a whole in anything, I think it’s great everyone has there own view or opinion, but there are some that if we announced a stadium they’d say it’s too far away, too small, if we announce a player, he’s not good enough for us, or too young or old, if we get a manager with tonnes of experience he’s a journeyman, if we get a young fresh manager, it’s too inexperienced. Can’t please everyone. But what you can do, if you really support this club, is give anyone that comes to this great club a fair shot before being slated.
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Post by piratejames on Jul 18, 2020 9:19:19 GMT
So every one considers he's a good coach, the issue is whether he's can step up to become a good manager or like PT just remain a good coach for the rest of his career. I sense as clubs go we're as good as ever at giving managers a chance, if we weren't BG wouldn't still be Rovers manager? Assuming JM left Chelsea on good terms, BG's comments thanking them suggests he did, I wonder how many players of there young players he can convince to join to us this season? Hopefully Grant is going to be one of them. During Mesure's time at Chelsea he coached all age groups between the U15s and U23s, so he will have built up relationships and know the taĺent at the club. It will certainly give us a great opportunity of securing some of those players because Chelsea will know the players will be be coming to capable hands and a coach they can trust to do the right things. One Chelsea player has already tweeted how sad he was to see him go. This is what I’m massively excited about with this pirate, he has been around a top class academy for all this time. I genuinely think this is a brilliant bit of news.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 18, 2020 10:45:59 GMT
Oh dear another backward step I think you need to explain where you're coming from with that comment, until yesterday BG didn't have an assistant so how can employing KM be a backwards step? BG's clearly decided he wants to employ somebody who he's worked with in the past and Wael's backed him instead of taking the cheaper option and telling him he has to promote from within.
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Post by Marshy on Jul 18, 2020 11:08:55 GMT
Oh dear another backward step I think you need to explain where you're coming from with that comment, until yesterday BG didn't have an assistant so how can employing KM be a backwards step? BG's clearly decided he wants to employ somebody who he's worked with in the past and Wael's backed him instead of taking the cheaper option and telling him he has to promote from within. Don’t bother Topper, we all know Midlandgas has got previous form with this.
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Post by oldgas on Jul 18, 2020 11:23:07 GMT
During Mesure's time at Chelsea he coached all age groups between the U15s and U23s, so he will have built up relationships and know the taĺent at the club. It will certainly give us a great opportunity of securing some of those players because Chelsea will know the players will be be coming to capable hands and a coach they can trust to do the right things. One Chelsea player has already tweeted how sad he was to see him go. This is what I’m massively excited about with this pirate, he has been around a top class academy for all this time. I genuinely think this is a brilliant bit of news. Let’s hope that big clubs like Chelsea with huge squads and academies have forgotten the damage done to our reputation regarding loan players that was caused by the Clarke years of not playing loanees.
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Post by piratejames on Jul 18, 2020 13:21:54 GMT
This is what I’m massively excited about with this pirate, he has been around a top class academy for all this time. I genuinely think this is a brilliant bit of news. Let’s hope that big clubs like Chelsea with huge squads and academies have forgotten the damage done to our reputation regarding loan players that was caused by the Clarke years of not playing loanees. I think with the two we have at the top now, clubs will actually be lining up and offering us loanees, you don’t hold down academy jobs like BG and JM have without being very good at it, if your a prem manager now and your looking at a team to send your up and coming off to, I think we will be one of the ones on the list.
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Post by justin blue on Jul 18, 2020 13:24:14 GMT
Think the new chap's Grandad was Sgt Wilson in Dad's Army? Nope, his name was John Le Mesurier. Shame I could picture him in the dug out saying "Do you think that's wise".
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Post by reason on Jul 18, 2020 13:32:26 GMT
Clearly this appointment should be seen as another positive step in re-building the club. Despite all the usual detractors, which is as predictable as it is tiresome on this forum, Ben Garner was without an assistant and has now had the opportunity and funds to appoint one. Again, thanks to Wael for providing those funds.
He seems a good fit, and although I understand why many of you are calling for an experienced head, this is down to a perceived mentality of the norms or expectations of this type of role. But who are we to speak for the manager in stating what is needed? It is entirely up to the manager to pick his own assistant and coaching staff and naturally he will pick them on the basis of what he deems necessary, probably based on shared values and football philosophy but most importantly, the ability to work effectively together.
An assistant is a most personal of positions and only the manager can assess how well he thinks that relationship can work - it is not surprising that these appointments are often made to friends or previous colleagues, and often result in a continuing relationship whenever managers move on to a new club.
I am personally very enthusiastic about the future of the club under Ben Garner. We have often called for a root and branch re-building of the club and ths has to be done throughout the club's whole structure. This is what we are now getting - and this process must be allowed to continue.
UTG!
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jul 18, 2020 13:39:18 GMT
Clearly this appointment should be seen as another positive step in re-building the club. Despite all the usual detractors, which is as predictable as it is tiresome on this forum, Ben Garner was without an assistant and has now had the opportunity and funds to appoint one. Again, thanks to Wael for providing those funds. He seems a good fit, and although I understand why many of you are calling for an experienced head, this is down to a perceived mentality of the norms or expectations of this type of role. But who are we to speak for the manager in stating what is needed? It is entirely up to the manager to pick his own assistant and coaching staff and nautuarlly he will pick them on the basis of what he deems neceassary, probably based on shared values and football philosophy but most importantly, the ability to work effectively together. An assistant is a most personal of positions and only the manager can assess how well he thinks that relationship can work - it is not surprising that these appointments are often made to friends or previous colleagues, and often result in a continuing relationship whenever managers move on to a new club. I am personally very enthusiastic about the future of the club under Ben Garner. We have often called for a root and branch re-building of the club and ths has to be done throughout the club's whole structure. This is what we are now getting - and this process must be allowed to continue. UTG! Very nice post - completely agree. Will this new direction work? I have no idea. But am I excited to see Rovers finally have a clear, identifiable, sensible plan & way of working that runs throughout the club from top to bottom? 100%.
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