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Post by Dirt Dogg on Aug 15, 2020 16:30:37 GMT
I think we played well, first game against a pro side in over 5 months and we played some good stuff at times and got the win.
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Post by c4h10 on Aug 15, 2020 16:30:39 GMT
You dont know any details about waht ANY of the players have gone though during the summer. For all you know JCH could have had Covid. YOU know nothing, just like the rest of us Oh come off it. Christ. Oh! You immoderate Moderator you. |
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Post by RD on Aug 15, 2020 16:35:41 GMT
To clarify, I'm not saying it somehow makes JCH a poor player, or that we should sell him.
I just don't think a professional footballer should be showing up in the shape he has - everyone else seems to have managed to stay in shape and, to be honest it's the least you expect from a professional sportsman.
I just think it's very disrespectful in all honesty and, coupled with sitting on his contract extension for over half a year(?) I do think he's giving us the run around somewhat. Again, he's entitled to - but that alongside the lack of fitness could be construed as not giving us 100%, which I think is the least we deserve TBH.
I get why he's loved by many - I'm a big fan too in the main - but, IMO, that doesn't mean he can get away with treating the club disrespectfully (which I appreciate is perhaps a matter of opinion at this point).
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Post by dcr on Aug 15, 2020 16:49:50 GMT
Oh come on! He's a professional footballer FFS. Many people are capable of working out at home. Especially if you're a professional sportsman. Yes he's a talented player and he's done a good job for us but f**k me some of the excuses are laughable. It's inexcusable, end of.
You are a moderator - If you are determined to have the last word - Just close the thread
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Post by oldgas on Aug 15, 2020 16:53:27 GMT
Remember fellow gasheads we lost 2 years ago 2 Exeter City 4-0 what an improvement the 2-1 win is I remember that game very well. We were poor all over the park, it was If DC and his trainers hadn’t bothered to instil any formation or tactics into the team during pre-season. I can’t remember I’d Ellis had officially been sold to Ipswich or whether he had some mysterious injury so couldn’t play. I remember he played the 2nd half of the friendly at Melksham and he played like a proper centre-forward and was the best player on the pitch. Jayden Shockley bullied us that day and scored a couple of good goals. We were shocking, and whilst only a friendly I believe it was our last before the season and I left the ground with a sense of foreboding which proved to be correct because we were complete rubbish and DC ended up getting fired. |
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Post by long john silver on Aug 15, 2020 16:53:33 GMT
To clarify, I'm not saying it somehow makes JCH a poor player, or that we should sell him. I just don't think a professional footballer should be showing up in the shape he has - everyone else seems to have managed to stay in shape and, to be honest it's the least you expect from a professional sportsman. I just think it's very disrespectful in all honesty and, coupled with sitting on his contract extension for over half a year(?) I do think he's giving us the run around somewhat. Again, he's entitled to - but that alongside the lack of fitness could be construed as not giving us 100%, which I think is the least we deserve TBH. I get why he's loved by many - I'm a big fan too in the main - but, IMO, that doesn't mean he can get away with treating the club disrespectfully (which I appreciate is perhaps a matter of opinion at this point). You don’t know he turned up pre season out of shape, you should really stop spinning yarns. |
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Post by pirate on Aug 15, 2020 16:55:05 GMT
I didn't read much into today's game other than the formation doesn't suit our strikers JCH was off his game today, in the second half Daly played wide and I believe that doesn't suit him. I feel we need to play two strikers alongside each other up top. So for me 5-3-2 or 4-4-2 BG seems determined to play 3-4-2-1, even with the 3 young strikers playing late on he still stuck to that formation. It seems that is the way he wants to play next season, but better to play a formation that suits the players you have at you disposal at that moment in time, rather than shoehorn them in to one that the manager prefers IMHO. |
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Post by RD on Aug 15, 2020 17:04:09 GMT
To clarify, I'm not saying it somehow makes JCH a poor player, or that we should sell him. I just don't think a professional footballer should be showing up in the shape he has - everyone else seems to have managed to stay in shape and, to be honest it's the least you expect from a professional sportsman. I just think it's very disrespectful in all honesty and, coupled with sitting on his contract extension for over half a year(?) I do think he's giving us the run around somewhat. Again, he's entitled to - but that alongside the lack of fitness could be construed as not giving us 100%, which I think is the least we deserve TBH. I get why he's loved by many - I'm a big fan too in the main - but, IMO, that doesn't mean he can get away with treating the club disrespectfully (which I appreciate is perhaps a matter of opinion at this point). You don’t know he turned up pre season out of shape, you should really stop spinning yarns. What do you mean? He's clearly put on a lot of a weight - I can see it with my own eyes? |
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Post by RD on Aug 15, 2020 17:05:22 GMT
You are a moderator - If you are determined to have the last word - Just close the thread
Oh give over. Christ. |
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Post by wilkimania on Aug 15, 2020 17:10:53 GMT
To clarify, I'm not saying it somehow makes JCH a poor player, or that we should sell him. I just don't think a professional footballer should be showing up in the shape he has - everyone else seems to have managed to stay in shape and, to be honest it's the least you expect from a professional sportsman. I just think it's very disrespectful in all honesty and, coupled with sitting on his contract extension for over half a year(?) I do think he's giving us the run around somewhat. Again, he's entitled to - but that alongside the lack of fitness could be construed as not giving us 100%, which I think is the least we deserve TBH. I get why he's loved by many - I'm a big fan too in the main - but, IMO, that doesn't mean he can get away with treating the club disrespectfully (which I appreciate is perhaps a matter of opinion at this point). Has JCH really been sat on the same contract offer for 6 months? Might be common knowledge for most but it's the first I'd seen of it. Sounds crazy if true. |
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Post by long john silver on Aug 15, 2020 17:10:55 GMT
You don’t know he turned up pre season out of shape, you should really stop spinning yarns. What do you mean? He's clearly put on a lot of a weight - I can see it with my own eyes? Really!? Looks all the same to me. Your literary making up rubbish about a player and selling it as gospel. You never attended any of his fitness assessments on return to pre season and you know nothing more than the rest of us. Are you really trying to write off our best player over the last 18 months because he looked a bit leggy in his first pre season games after a 3 month lay off. |
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Post by james246 on Aug 15, 2020 17:43:22 GMT
Early days and the team still needs fine tuning, overall I feel there was a bit to much short sideways passing at the back which is dangerous. ML who overall had a very good game was nearly caught out with this. ME was really good and knows how to make life difficult for opposing strikers.
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Post by RD on Aug 15, 2020 17:50:38 GMT
What do you mean? He's clearly put on a lot of a weight - I can see it with my own eyes? Really!? Looks all the same to me. Your literary making up rubbish about a player and selling it as gospel. You never attended any of his fitness assessments on return to pre season and you know nothing more than the rest of us. Are you really trying to write off our best player over the last 18 months because he looked a bit leggy in his first pre season games after a 3 month lay off. I'd get yourself an eye test pronto. Quite clearly carrying a lot more than usual IMO and many others have commented along the same lines also. And irony is a stunningly beautiful thing - you claiming I'm trying to "write off" our best player when I clearly haven't done anything close to that. And in case the irony is lost on you, "making up rubbish and selling it as gospel". |
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Aug 15, 2020 17:58:05 GMT
After today its not a case of its a good idea to get another striker i would say it was critical we did
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 15, 2020 17:59:49 GMT
Really!? Looks all the same to me. Your literary making up rubbish about a player and selling it as gospel. You never attended any of his fitness assessments on return to pre season and you know nothing more than the rest of us. Are you really trying to write off our best player over the last 18 months because he looked a bit leggy in his first pre season games after a 3 month lay off. I'd get yourself an eye test pronto. Quite clearly carrying a lot more than usual IMO and many others have commented along the same lines also. And irony is a stunningly beautiful thing - you claiming I'm trying to "write off" our best player when I clearly haven't done anything close to that. And in case the irony is lost on you, "making up rubbish and selling it as gospel". We've played 2 pre-season games, winning both, and there's already a forum mini melt down about JCH's fitness, it could only happen on Gaschat! |
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Post by teanbiscuits on Aug 15, 2020 18:28:23 GMT
That's not overweight in my book. If anything the lad looks like he's been putting the hard graft in down the gym.  |
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Post by piratesquarters on Aug 15, 2020 18:34:07 GMT
Moan, moan, moan. Slag, slag, slag. It's great to have football back.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 18:36:06 GMT
What do you mean? He's clearly put on a lot of a weight - I can see it with my own eyes? Really!? Looks all the same to me. Your literary making up rubbish about a player and selling it as gospel. You never attended any of his fitness assessments on return to pre season and you know nothing more than the rest of us. Are you really trying to write off our best player over the last 18 months because he looked a bit leggy in his first pre season games after a 3 month lay off. He's not making up rubbish. It's a shame that JCH struggled to maintain his weight/fitness during lockdown, there aren't really any excuses for that - all the others seem to have managed to come back in reasonable shape. Hopefully the strapped thigh isn't a long term worry - I'd love to see him back to his best. |
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Post by long john silver on Aug 15, 2020 18:36:21 GMT
Really!? Looks all the same to me. Your literary making up rubbish about a player and selling it as gospel. You never attended any of his fitness assessments on return to pre season and you know nothing more than the rest of us. Are you really trying to write off our best player over the last 18 months because he looked a bit leggy in his first pre season games after a 3 month lay off. I'd get yourself an eye test pronto. Quite clearly carrying a lot more than usual IMO and many others have commented along the same lines also. And irony is a stunningly beautiful thing - you claiming I'm trying to "write off" our best player when I clearly haven't done anything close to that. And in case the irony is lost on you, "making up rubbish and selling it as gospel". You literally stated in a earlier post we should get rid of him. I would put that firmly in the realms of a write off. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Aug 15, 2020 18:37:09 GMT
I think pre season friendliest should be used to hone players' fitness and tinker around with tactical systems. By and large, the result is not that important but the level of performance and fitness is. If you want to win every pre season friendly just arrange a load of matches against local opposition like Manor Farm.
Having said that, a poor result against lower opposition should start alarm bells ringing. For example, that shocker against Exeter a couple of years ago was indeed an indication of what was to follow.
Regarding the striking situation. JCH may well be not match fit at present but it is the job of the coaching staff to get him firing for the first league game. Let's not judge his condition too harshly after the second pre season friendly. And yes, regardless of his fitness, we need another striker because at present that aspect of the squad's personnel is not as strong as elsewhere.
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