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Post by Gassy on Sept 6, 2020 19:46:31 GMT
I see a lot of people saying “give him 10 games”.
I’m curious to know though, that is the line for sacking someone after 10 games? About of points? If so - how many? Position in the table? If so, what’s the lowest?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2020 19:48:41 GMT
I see a lot of people saying “give him 10 games”. I’m curious to know though, that is the line for sacking someone after 10 games? About of points? If so - how many? Position in the table? If so, what’s the lowest? I'd also be intrigued if Garner had arrived in the summer, how many games would people want to give him then? If we lose the next 4 games 3-0 (or worse performance wise) then why wait for another games for the inevitable and the season's dead?
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 6, 2020 19:51:58 GMT
You can have the best ingredients. But if the chef cant cook.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Sept 6, 2020 19:58:56 GMT
This is a clean slate season. It’s BG’s own squad after a full summer in order to work. Last season is irrelevant. One below par performance against a top side in our division so far, in the league cup. This thread is beyond pathetic. agreed and that doesn't include cup games
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2020 20:02:04 GMT
Garner has made some really good signings and it is totally unfair to rate them after one game..pathetic in fact. They dont suddenly become poor players I disagree that we were outclassed all over thhe pitch.We had lots of possession and did create four very good chances to score. The second goal which really killed the game off with its timimg should have been disallowed for a foul and Sam Nicholson should have equalised which would have completely changed the game. Ipswich did not really creare that much and the goals were given to them..worrying but not the end of the world.These players will come good and if we can get two attackers in I am very hopeful it will be a good season. You say we were not out classed. In what area of the pitch were we better than Ipswich? Or if it helps, in what area of the pitch did we even match them? 4 chances? Other than the Nicholson effort did we even have another shot on target? What I saw.... They opened us up many times through the middle and threatened us all game on both flanks. Their midfield completely dominated ours. Their defence had very little to do.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2020 20:03:53 GMT
This is a clean slate season. It’s BG’s own squad after a full summer in order to work. Last season is irrelevant. One below par performance against a top side in our division so far, in the league cup. This thread is beyond pathetic. agreed and that doesn't include cup games Cool. Poor performances last season dont count. Poor performances dont count in pre season. Poor performances dont count in cup games. I have lowered my standards accordingly. Cheers for clearing that up.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 6, 2020 20:03:54 GMT
You've just started this thread titled "How Long Do We Give BG" before a single league game has kicked off this season. Last season I was quite critical of BG, for the simple fact that we went from winning games to not winning games at the drop of a hat. However I have seen signs, and because of the players we've brought in, what he and the club are trying to do. I am therefor prepared to give him the time to implement it properly. Not start threads like this because of a defeat in the 1st round of the Carabao Cup. Getting tired of saying it...it's not about one Carabao Cup game. Well it kind of is. You've started this thread off the back of it.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2020 20:05:55 GMT
Getting tired of saying it...it's not about one Carabao Cup game. Well it kind of is. You've started this thread off the back of it. It's not. The bloke has a 10% win rate. It backed up last seasons performances. I can't remember one good performance to be honest under BG. Maybe vs Sunderland?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2020 20:05:59 GMT
Getting tired of saying it...it's not about one Carabao Cup game. Well it kind of is. You've started this thread off the back of it. Please PM me when it's ok to question Ben Garner and I will get on it. Cheers.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 6, 2020 20:06:24 GMT
agreed and that doesn't include cup games Cool. Poor performances last season dont count. Poor performances dont count in pre season. Poor performances dont count in cup games. I have lowered my standards accordingly. Cheers for clearing that up. Next we’ll be told the first ten games don’t count. Then the first 20. Then we’ll already be down.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2020 20:12:04 GMT
Cool. Poor performances last season dont count. Poor performances dont count in pre season. Poor performances dont count in cup games. I have lowered my standards accordingly. Cheers for clearing that up. Next we’ll be told the first ten games don’t count. Then the first 20. Then we’ll already be down. I think it shows the level of ambition of our fans to be honest. I don't blame them in a way, we have been used to so much sh** and being disappointed over a long period that our standards and expectations are very low.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 6, 2020 20:12:10 GMT
I think it's fair to say BG was brought in primarily for the reason Wael wanted the club to go in a completely different direction in regards to philosophy.
It's no real surprise that the majority of the squad he inherited from last year are no longer here or not wanted, Craig, THD, Rollin, Ollie Clarke, Sercombe, Ogogo, Bennett, and now JCH.
Surely he deserves time, especially a few league games this term, that's all i'm saying.
I hope this is the philosophy the club has as a blueprint moving forward as well, so that even if BG does completely fail, the next guy can come in, and then the next guy etc, etc, without having complete overhauls of the squad everytime a manager goes.
The Swansea, Brentford et al type of method
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 20:12:56 GMT
What's all this giving ten games malarkey? He's had 18!?
Why is the thread pathetic when you contribute to it?
Why is it no one can come up with anything positive apart from new signings, yet not address the jch debacle of not playing striker because he let our only striker leave without replacement?
Why is BG continuously playing a 3 at the back away to teams that plays two up front at home?
Why is it I'm watching the same Southend match v Ipshit, and no one can reasonably explain that we appear to have made no progress since? (Apart from pathetic, covid, journey, putting a striker on second half after we have already conceded 2, excuses,?)?
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 6, 2020 20:13:26 GMT
Well it kind of is. You've started this thread off the back of it. Please PM me when it's ok to question Ben Garner and I will get on it. Cheers. You can question him all you like. I just don't think a thread like this is needed before we've even kicked a ball in the league yet this season. Cheers.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2020 20:15:31 GMT
What's all this giving ten games malarkey? He's had 18!? Why is the thread pathetic when you contribute to it? Why is it no one can come up with anything positive apart from new signings, yet not address the jch debacle of not playing striker because he let our only striker leave without replacement? Why is BG continuously playing a 3 at the back away to teams that plays two up front at home? Why is it I'm watching the same Southend match v Ipshit, and no one can reasonably explain that we appear to have made no progress since? (Apart from pathetic, covid, journey, putting a striker on second half after we have already conceded 2, excuses,?)? In fairness I don't think he let JCH leave. We dont know why he hasnt been replaced.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2020 20:15:44 GMT
I see a lot of people saying “give him 10 games”. I’m curious to know though, that is the line for sacking someone after 10 games? About of points? If so - how many? Position in the table? If so, what’s the lowest? I feel we need to be outside the bottom 4 after 10 games, if not, can you really see BG suddenly turning things around? Although we do seem to have drawn a bad hand when it comes to early season fixtures: Sunderland (A) Ipswich (H) Doncaster (A) Northampton (H) Lincoln (A) Burton (H) Shrewsbury (A) Accrington (A) Hull (H) Rochdale (A) Peterborough (H) Fleetwood (H) Apart from possibly Burton at home none of those games looks that easy. Wael really needs to back BG with decent funds for a new striker(s) this week if he is going to stand by him.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 20:17:07 GMT
What's all this giving ten games malarkey? He's had 18!? Why is the thread pathetic when you contribute to it? Why is it no one can come up with anything positive apart from new signings, yet not address the jch debacle of not playing striker because he let our only striker leave without replacement? Why is BG continuously playing a 3 at the back away to teams that plays two up front at home? Why is it I'm watching the same Southend match v Ipshit, and no one can reasonably explain that we appear to have made no progress since? (Apart from pathetic, covid, journey, putting a striker on second half after we have already conceded 2, excuses,?)? In fairness I don't think he let JCH leave. We dont know why he hasnt been replaced. Well who did then? He was under contract. Why couldn't BG have stalled until a suitable replacement had been found? Brentford and Peterborough did..
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2020 20:19:58 GMT
In fairness I don't think he let JCH leave. We dont know why he hasnt been replaced. Well who did then? He was under contract. Why couldn't BG have stalled until a suitable replacement had been found? Brentford and Peterborough did.. I'm not convinced our manager is as much in control of contracts, signings and departures as people think.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2020 20:22:58 GMT
What's all this giving ten games malarkey? He's had 18!? Why is the thread pathetic when you contribute to it? Why is it no one can come up with anything positive apart from new signings, yet not address the jch debacle of not playing striker because he let our only striker leave without replacement?Why is BG continuously playing a 3 at the back away to teams that plays two up front at home? Why is it I'm watching the same Southend match v Ipshit, and no one can reasonably explain that we appear to have made no progress since? (Apart from pathetic, covid, journey, putting a striker on second half after we have already conceded 2, excuses,?)? So would you have turned down P'boro offer and then been stuck with a disgruntled JCH and then lost him for peanuts in January? Hopefully we'll have striker or two in for our first league game. BG's decided he's going to play 3 at the back, the 3 just need to wake up and play rather than change the formation for every match, something DC got slaughtered for with his "projects".
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 20:24:17 GMT
Well who did then? He was under contract. Why couldn't BG have stalled until a suitable replacement had been found? Brentford and Peterborough did.. I'm not convinced our manager is as much in control of contracts, signings and departures as people think. That's strange, as I thought 'giving him 10 matches' was the excuse to let him formulate his own squad? Otherwise why give him any time at all?
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