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Post by William Wilson on Sept 11, 2020 6:46:35 GMT
Brandon, have we just got him on hire? Let`s hope Brandon Flowers into a decent player for us.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 11, 2020 6:48:26 GMT
Brandon, have we just got him on hire? Let`s hope Brandon Flowers into a decent player for us. Brandy, you're a star!
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Post by oldgas on Sept 11, 2020 7:14:49 GMT
what has he said wrong? Don’t get it Over sensitive,enough crap going on without you making it a issue That I don’t see the point of why he had to mention the colour of his skin, he wouldn’t say the other white striker we signed. So yeh it does need to be said. You’re behaving like one of those medieval witch hunters. Why don’t you tie some lead weights to him and chuck him in the Avon. If he sinks it will prove he was a racist. People have written on this thread posts with phrases like “he’s got power and pace” Hopefully he has and will use those attributes to our benefit. However the BBC have just sent their commentators on a course to dissuade them from using such phrases because, apparently, they racially stereotype. You don’t work for the BBC, do you?
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 11, 2020 7:16:58 GMT
How many had heard of Barry Hayles before we signed him Yes. He had scored 70 odd goals in 3 seasons at Stevenage. He was the most promising striker in the conference at the time.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 11, 2020 7:24:39 GMT
That I don’t see the point of why he had to mention the colour of his skin, he wouldn’t say the other white striker we signed. So yeh it does need to be said. You’re behaving like one of those medieval witch hunters. Why don’t you tie some lead weights to him and chuck him in the Avon. If he sinks it will prove he was a racist. People have written on this thread posts with phrases like “he’s got power and pace” Hopefully he has and will use those attributes to our benefit. However the BBC have just sent their commentators on a course to dissuade them from using such phrases because, apparently, they racially stereotype. You don’t work for the BBC, do you? Right, I’m going to draw a line on this now. There was no racial prejudice, stereo typing, shaming, incorrect language or anything else by the original post. He couldn’t remember Ayungas name, and given that we also had 3 strikers at the club at the time, 1 black and 2 white of skin colour, he used a specific attribute to his discription to describe who he meant in no other way or terms than as saying the bald, the ginger, the white or the player with blue eyes. So please let’s not vilify a genuine poster because I very much doubt BH or JA would be offended at being called black given that is the colour of their skin. For the avoidance of all doubt I asked my bro in laws opinion who is a black man from Jamaica and he sees nothing wrong with what was typed.
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Post by lavalamp on Sept 11, 2020 7:25:16 GMT
How many had heard of Barry Hayles before we signed him I certainly had, he was the best player in the Conference when playing for Stevenage - 73 goals in 154 goals. Including one year when they won the Conference but we're denied entry into the league. I remember an FA cup game against Birmingham that was shown on Match of The Day where he gave a really good account of himself against a much higher team. (I get the feeling it was also the first time Holloway had seen him at well). I was delighted when we signed him.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 11, 2020 7:36:44 GMT
How many had heard of Barry Hayles before we signed him I certainly had, he was the best player in the Conference when playing for Stevenage - 73 goals in 154 goals. Including one year when they won the Conference but we're denied entry into the league. I remember an FA cup game against Birmingham that was shown on Match of The Day where he gave a really good account of himself against a much higher team. (I get the feeling it was also the first time Holloway had seen him at well). I was delighted when we signed him. It's a shame that because transfer fees have become so ridiculously inflated, we wouldn't stand a chance of signing the likes of him from the Conference in this day and age. Peterborough would probably have snapped Hayles up in 1994 if they had the same transfer policy and funding back then.
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Post by oldgas on Sept 11, 2020 7:43:54 GMT
I certainly had, he was the best player in the Conference when playing for Stevenage - 73 goals in 154 goals. Including one year when they won the Conference but we're denied entry into the league. I remember an FA cup game against Birmingham that was shown on Match of The Day where he gave a really good account of himself against a much higher team. (I get the feeling it was also the first time Holloway had seen him at well). I was delighted when we signed him. It's a shame that because transfer fees have become so ridiculously inflated, we wouldn't stand a chance of signing the likes of him from the Conference in this day and age. Peterborough would probably have snapped Hayles up in 1994 if they had the same transfer policy and funding back then. We did pay over 100,000 for him if memory serves. That was quite a bit of money, back in the day.
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Post by RD on Sept 11, 2020 7:49:14 GMT
Okay, so 24 hours later, my full take on the Hanlan signing.
I think generally speaking, the signing of Hanlan is a decent one - I think he could really be a rough diamond.
From what I've read from Gills fans and comments from coaches/managers it seems he possesses a number of brilliant attributes and, if we can work on him becoming clinical in front of goal, it's likely he could well go on to far better things than Bristol Rovers.
However - here's the kicker.
Whilst there's every chance we may well develop Hanlan in to a top, top striker - or he might just click, as JCH did - there's every chance that, whilst he will get there eventually, it may well take him months - if not even a year say - to have his finishing coached to the level he becomes clinical/prolific. And that's obviously an "if" - afterall, for every JCH, there's a Tom Nichols.
I'm certainly happy enough to role the dice and take a punt on him - but I'd be far more relaxed about doing so if we still had JCH or A. N. Other striker who was our number 1 and likely the be the person to get the 20+ goals a season we will ultimately require.
My worry, is that Nicholson might chip in with close to double figures, JML might grab 7 or 8, but other than that most of the goals are going to need to come from our main out-and-out striker. I really like Ayunga and think he will get circa 10 next season, even if he did mainly come on as a sub (assuming Hanlan will be starting). However, that tally isn't going to take us to anywhere near enough goals. And that's what fills me with dread.
The biggest criticism that's been levelled at Hanlan (currently) is his finishing ability. That doesn't bode well for someone we really do need to be getting 18+ goals minimum for us next season.
And there-in lies the problem - unless he transforms in to a deadly marksmen overnight, we don't really have the luxury of waiting around; if he fails to score regularly, we will almost certainly be near the foot of the table - where else are the goals required likely to come from? Furthermore, that will add enormous pressure on his shoulders, which could go one of two ways - it may actually hinder his development.
So nothing against Hanlan personally - I genuinely wish him all the best and certainly believe there could be one hell of a player in there. The question is whether we can score the goals throughout the team whilst he's being coached to a level from which he can then take over that burden.
As a result, I really hope we've got someone else with goals in them lined up - but I don't think we do in all honesty. I think that's why my first choice would have been someone like Humphrys (although I accept that if he does want a move up north, that was a non-starter).
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Post by lavalamp on Sept 11, 2020 7:49:30 GMT
It's a shame that because transfer fees have become so ridiculously inflated, we wouldn't stand a chance of signing the likes of him from the Conference in this day and age. Peterborough would probably have snapped Hayles up in 1994 if they had the same transfer policy and funding back then. We did pay over 100,000 for him if memory serves. That was quite a bit of money, back in the day. My (fastly fading) memory recalls that we paid £250k for him and also paid Woking £150k for Steve Foster. Both players were announced on the same day.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 11, 2020 7:50:50 GMT
It's a shame that because transfer fees have become so ridiculously inflated, we wouldn't stand a chance of signing the likes of him from the Conference in this day and age. Peterborough would probably have snapped Hayles up in 1994 if they had the same transfer policy and funding back then. We did pay over 100,000 for him if memory serves. That was quite a bit of money, back in the day. Yes I thought we paid around £200K for him? Maybe less, not sure, but either way it was a decent fee we shelled out back then. I believe that any 25 year old scoring almost 1 in 2 over 3 seasons at Conference level, would probably go for at least £1M nowadays. I think Jamie Vardy signed for Leicester from Fleetwood for aroundabout that?
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Post by pirate on Sept 11, 2020 7:55:12 GMT
How many had heard of Barry Hayles before we signed him I certainly had, he was the best player in the Conference when playing for Stevenage - 73 goals in 154 goals. Including one year when they won the Conference but we're denied entry into the league. I remember an FA cup game against Birmingham that was shown on Match of The Day where he gave a really good account of himself against a much higher team. (I get the feeling it was also the first time Holloway had seen him at well). I was delighted when we signed him. I remember the Match of the Day commentator comparing Hayles to Ian Wright.
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Post by pirate on Sept 11, 2020 7:56:46 GMT
We did pay over 100,000 for him if memory serves. That was quite a bit of money, back in the day. My (fastly fading) memory recalls that we paid £250k for him and also paid Woking £150k for Steve Foster. Both players were announced on the same day. Sounds about right, was definitely £250k for Hayles.
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Post by Baxtinho on Sept 11, 2020 7:56:46 GMT
I feel a lot more positive about him after listening to Duke's interview on Gascast 👍🏼💙
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 11, 2020 7:56:52 GMT
How many had heard of Barry Hayles before we signed him Yes. He had scored 70 odd goals in 3 seasons at Stevenage. He was the most promising striker in the conference at the time. What about Devon White? Peter Beadle? Jason Roberts? Interestingly Hanlons goalscoring record for Gillingham is pretty similar to what Peter Beadles was If he performs like any of those, hopefully better then I think we'll all be happy. That's the thing with social media, which wasn't around when we signed those players, everything about the player is scrutinised now before they've even kicked a ball for the club
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Post by markczgas on Sept 11, 2020 7:56:55 GMT
So I should stop because you said I should? Hang in a minute he apologised, that apology is half hearted. He said sorry but I didn’t know how to spell his name. That’s not an apology. I will leave it now because I want to. I’m not trying to start an argument with anyone, I’m not over sensitive and I’m not making an issue. I’m a mid 30s white bloke, I was offended by what was wrote so made my opinion known. Welcome Brandon to our club, give 100% and you will do just fine. Good luck UTG!! Jesus wept. Welcome to GasChat, you will fit in well here! 😂 Marshy, do you want to become a Moderator ?
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Post by oldgas on Sept 11, 2020 8:01:03 GMT
We did pay over 100,000 for him if memory serves. That was quite a bit of money, back in the day. My (fastly fading) memory recalls that we paid £250k for him and also paid Woking £150k for Steve Foster. Both players were announced on the same day. I think you might be right. Holloway certainly had the boards backing and it so nearly worked. Hayles, Roberts and Cureton up front. If only!
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Post by pirate on Sept 11, 2020 8:03:56 GMT
My (fastly fading) memory recalls that we paid £250k for him and also paid Woking £150k for Steve Foster. Both players were announced on the same day. I think you might be right. Holloway certainly had the boards backing and it so nearly worked. Hayles, Roberts and Cureton up front. If only! ...With Ellington and Zamora on the bench. Amazing when you think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 8:05:39 GMT
A player on the up hopefully. Welcome to the Club Brandon.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 11, 2020 8:05:45 GMT
Okay, so 24 hours later, my full take on the Hanlan signing. I think generally speaking, the signing of Hanlan is a decent one - I think he could really be a rough diamond. From what I've read from Gills fans and comments from coaches/managers it seems he possesses a number of brilliant attributes and, if we can work on him becoming clinical in front of goal, it's likely he could well go on to far better things than Bristol Rovers. However - here's the kicker. Whilst there's every chance we may well develop Hanlan in to a top, top striker - or he might just click, as JCH did - there's every chance that, whilst he will get there eventually, it may well take him months - if not even a year say - to have his finishing coached to the level he becomes clinical/prolific. And that's obviously an "if" - afterall, for every JCH, there's a Tom Nichols. I'm certainly happy enough to role the dice and take a punt on him - but I'd be far more relaxed about doing so if we still had JCH or A. N. Other striker who was our number 1 and likely the be the person to get the 20+ goals a season we will ultimately require. My worry, is that Nicholson might chip in with close to double figures, JML might grab 7 or 8, but other than that most of the goals are going to need to come from our main out-and-out striker. I really like Ayunga and think he will get circa 10 next season, even if he did mainly come on as a sub (assuming Hanlan will be starting). However, that tally isn't going to take us to anywhere near enough goals. And that's what fills me with dread. The biggest criticism that's been levelled at Hanlan (currently) is his finishing ability. That doesn't bode well for someone we really do need to be getting 18+ goals minimum for us next season. And there-in lies the problem - unless he transforms in to a deadly marksmen overnight, we don't really have the luxury of waiting around; if he fails to score regularly, we will almost certainly be near the foot of the table - where else are the goals required likely to come from? Furthermore, that will add enormous pressure on his shoulders, which could go one of two ways - it may actually hinder his development. So nothing against Hanlan personally - I genuinely wish him all the best and certainly believe there could be one hell of a player in there. The question is whether we can score the goals throughout the team whilst he's being coached to a level from which he can then take over that burden. As a result, I really hope we've got someone else with goals in them lined up - but I don't think we do in all honesty. I think that's why my first choice would have been someone like Humphrys (although I accept that if he does want a move up north, that was a non-starter). Good points RD, I think in order to finish comfortably midtable, we need to be looking to score in the region of 60-65 goals, as well as shoring up our defence. In order to get to that sort of tally, we will probably need our forwards (Hanlan, Ayunga, Daly, Nicholson, JML, (Barrett?!)) to score a combined total of around 45, with the rest of the squad chipping in 1 or 2 each. We could certainly be capable of that, but it requires at least one of them scoring 15-20, and the others getting near double figures on average. Too many unknowns to see if we can manage that.
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