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Post by Congas on Sept 11, 2020 8:09:39 GMT
How many had heard of Barry Hayles before we signed him I certainly had, he was the best player in the Conference when playing for Stevenage - 73 goals in 154 goals. Including one year when they won the Conference but we're denied entry into the league. I remember an FA cup game against Birmingham that was shown on Match of The Day where he gave a really good account of himself against a much higher team. (I get the feeling it was also the first time Holloway had seen him at well). I was delighted when we signed him. Wasn't it Malcom X who demanded black be used instead of negro because why use a Latin word (nigrum) as a "polite" term when there's a perfectly good word in English? He was right and it soon took off. Generally speaking, things have moved on since the 1960s and the view today is why the need to differentiate at all when all it does is cause division, just like the words and terms specially reserved for black players, like, for example, pace and power when pace and strength does the job just as well. One that really gets up my nose is attitude, which is very negative. A white player didn't fit in, a black player had a poor attitude. How about us trying to bear this in mind and avoid any kind of singling out based on race, colour, creed and religion. In other words use the same rhetoric for all the players.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 11, 2020 8:10:50 GMT
Okay, so 24 hours later, my full take on the Hanlan signing. I think generally speaking, the signing of Hanlan is a decent one - I think he could really be a rough diamond. From what I've read from Gills fans and comments from coaches/managers it seems he possesses a number of brilliant attributes and, if we can work on him becoming clinical in front of goal, it's likely he could well go on to far better things than Bristol Rovers. However - here's the kicker. Whilst there's every chance we may well develop Hanlan in to a top, top striker - or he might just click, as JCH did - there's every chance that, whilst he will get there eventually, it may well take him months - if not even a year say - to have his finishing coached to the level he becomes clinical/prolific. And that's obviously an "if" - afterall, for every JCH, there's a Tom Nichols. I'm certainly happy enough to role the dice and take a punt on him - but I'd be far more relaxed about doing so if we still had JCH or A. N. Other striker who was our number 1 and likely the be the person to get the 20+ goals a season we will ultimately require. My worry, is that Nicholson might chip in with close to double figures, JML might grab 7 or 8, but other than that most of the goals are going to need to come from our main out-and-out striker. I really like Ayunga and think he will get circa 10 next season, even if he did mainly come on as a sub (assuming Hanlan will be starting). However, that tally isn't going to take us to anywhere near enough goals. And that's what fills me with dread. The biggest criticism that's been levelled at Hanlan (currently) is his finishing ability. That doesn't bode well for someone we really do need to be getting 18+ goals minimum for us next season. And there-in lies the problem - unless he transforms in to a deadly marksmen overnight, we don't really have the luxury of waiting around; if he fails to score regularly, we will almost certainly be near the foot of the table - where else are the goals required likely to come from? Furthermore, that will add enormous pressure on his shoulders, which could go one of two ways - it may actually hinder his development. So nothing against Hanlan personally - I genuinely wish him all the best and certainly believe there could be one hell of a player in there. The question is whether we can score the goals throughout the team whilst he's being coached to a level from which he can then take over that burden. As a result, I really hope we've got someone else with goals in them lined up - but I don't think we do in all honesty. I think that's why my first choice would have been someone like Humphrys (although I accept that if he does want a move up north, that was a non-starter). Often hear the phrases "natural goal scorer" or " natural finisher" is it something that can be coached into a player? or is it just nature over nurture?
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 11, 2020 8:12:50 GMT
I think you might be right. Holloway certainly had the boards backing and it so nearly worked. Hayles, Roberts and Cureton up front. If only! ...With Ellington and Zamora on the bench. Amazing when you think about it. And Nigel Pierre for a few games. Guy Ipoua wasn't to shabby either IMO
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Post by titchthephot on Sept 11, 2020 8:14:10 GMT
I've said this before but not every jig-saw piece fits every jig-saw. Just because Brandon wasn't scoring loads of goals at Gillingham doesn't mean he won't here. JCH fitted our jig-saw and time will tell if he fits Peterborough's! The snake didn't work at the teds, Bodin has not set Preston alight, Harrison did nothing at Ipswich........Time will tell.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 11, 2020 8:24:20 GMT
I've said this before but not every jig-saw piece fits every jig-saw. Just because Brandon wasn't scoring loads of goals at Gillingham doesn't mean he won't here. JCH fitted our jig-saw and time will tell if he fits Peterborough's! The snake didn't work at the teds, Bodin has not set Preston alight, Harrison did nothing at Ipswich........Time will tell. Ellis Harrison's a good one, as his stats weren't very good with us until his last season with us and then we got what, 3 quarters of a million for him!
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Post by wertongas on Sept 11, 2020 8:26:15 GMT
I note that a club possibly Rovers put a 6 figure bid in for Hanlan it was turned down by Evans who called the bid derisory. So looks like we could have to pay over 100,00 grand for him, appears to be highly rated but as said before a bit lacking in goals, that could be a confidence issue, a goal early on for us could do him the world of good. Anyway I wish him and all our players a great season, hopefully we can all get back in stands soon so we don't have to use our tablets and phones to discuss football.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 11, 2020 8:32:42 GMT
GFC4EVA Yesterday at 5:02 PM #15,865 Bristol rovers apparently signing Brandon Hanlan. There is a good player in there but as a striker one of the worst finishers I have seen in my time supporting gillingham
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Post by TugPhase on Sept 11, 2020 8:49:43 GMT
The biggest criticism that's been levelled at Hanlan (currently) is his finishing ability. That doesn't bode well for someone we really do need to be getting 18+ goals minimum for us next season. As a result, I really hope we've got someone else with goals in them lined up - but I don't think we do in all honesty. I think that's why my first choice would have been someone like Humphrys (although I accept that if he does want a move up north, that was a non-starter). What makes you so confident that Humphrys would get 18+ goals? One(ish) good(ish) season with Southend? We have to be realistic. If there is a player that is 'guaranteed' to score that amount of L1 goals then it is unlikely that we will be able to get them - we will be in a queue behind some Championship and the big L1 teams. But the good news is that all other teams similar to us are in the same boat, we all have to scout and pick out players and HOPE they are the next JCH - a lot of them won't turn out to be. The closest I can think of is Pitman, who recently joined Swindon. Guaranteed goals but he is older, and doesn't fit our style so has some big disadvantages. Anyone that ticks all the boxes and is guaranteed that amount of goals is way out of our reach - for example Ivan Toney, we're only about £5.8m+ short of getting him. We have to trust our scouts and support Hanlan. He is fast, he works hard and will work well in a 'fluid' front three.
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 11, 2020 8:55:03 GMT
Look who he was playing alongside
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 11, 2020 8:59:30 GMT
How many had heard of Barry Hayles before we signed him I certainly had, he was the best player in the Conference when playing for Stevenage - 73 goals in 154 goals. Including one year when they won the Conference but we're denied entry into the league. I remember an FA cup game against Birmingham that was shown on Match of The Day where he gave a really good account of himself against a much higher team. (I get the feeling it was also the first time Holloway had seen him at well). I was delighted when we signed him. Holloway had not seen him. Holloway phoned the then Yeovil manager and asked who the best non league striker was, and he said Hayles with out a doubt. Holloway didn't scout him or even watch him. Told me this himself
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Post by Gasshole on Sept 11, 2020 9:04:01 GMT
GFC4EVA Yesterday at 5:02 PM #15,865 Bristol rovers apparently signing Brandon Hanlan. There is a good player in there but as a striker one of the worst finishers I have seen in my time supporting gillingham TBF if this joker knew anything about football, why would he support the Gills.
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Post by pirate on Sept 11, 2020 9:08:06 GMT
Look who he was playing alongside A player who scored 4 goals in 40 games for Yeovil in League Two the season before he joined the Gills.
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Post by pirate on Sept 11, 2020 9:11:14 GMT
I certainly had, he was the best player in the Conference when playing for Stevenage - 73 goals in 154 goals. Including one year when they won the Conference but we're denied entry into the league. I remember an FA cup game against Birmingham that was shown on Match of The Day where he gave a really good account of himself against a much higher team. (I get the feeling it was also the first time Holloway had seen him at well). I was delighted when we signed him. Holloway had not seen him. Holloway phoned the then Yeovil manager and asked who the best non league striker was, and he said Hayles with out a doubt. Holloway didn't scout him or even watch him. Told me this himself I call bullshit. Holloway was scouting Steve Foster when Hayles caught his eye after giving Fozzie a torrid time.
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 11, 2020 9:16:58 GMT
Prior to joining Rovers in the EFL;
JCH - 190 Games - 29 Goals @ 0.1526 GPG Hanlan - 101 Games - 15 Goals @ 0.1485 GPG
JCH was 9 months older when he signed.
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Post by reason on Sept 11, 2020 9:20:07 GMT
The biggest criticism that's been levelled at Hanlan (currently) is his finishing ability. That doesn't bode well for someone we really do need to be getting 18+ goals minimum for us next season. As a result, I really hope we've got someone else with goals in them lined up - but I don't think we do in all honesty. I think that's why my first choice would have been someone like Humphrys (although I accept that if he does want a move up north, that was a non-starter). What makes you so confident that Humphrys would get 18+ goals? One(ish) good(ish) season with Southend? We have to be realistic. If there is a player that is 'guaranteed' to score that amount of L1 goals then it is unlikely that we will be able to get them - we will be in a queue behind some Championship and the big L1 teams. But the good news is that all other teams similar to us are in the same boat, we all have to scout and pick out players and HOPE they are the next JCH - a lot of them won't turn out to be. The closest I can think of is Pitman, who recently joined Swindon. Guaranteed goals but he is older, and doesn't fit our style so has some big disadvantages. Anyone that ticks all the boxes and is guaranteed that amount of goals is way out of our reach - for example Ivan Toney, we're only about £5.8m+ short of getting him. We have to trust our scouts and support Hanlan. He is fast, he works hard and will work well in a 'fluid' front three. Yes, exactly - I agree with this. Another example would have been Eoin Doyle, who had a fantastic season at Swindon, yet from what I remember was not that outstanding at Bradford. I am guessing he would have cost a fair bit more, than we paid for Brandon, yet his scoring streak may not continue, and he is a much older player. Although, from Steve Evans' remarks I am guessing we paid £150 - 200k (having said an initial £100k offer from a club, perhaps Portsmouth, was an insult, but then another offer was closer to, but not matching, their valuation). What we are trying to do, is to look at the potential of the player, and envisage the player they can become. Although, of course, he has to start realising that potential quite soon! It is importnat that golas are coming from the other front players (and I am confident of JML and Nicholson especially) to ease the pressure on Jonah and Brandon whilst they develop. Interesting, again, that Brandon mentions Ben Garner's planned style of play as a factor in deciding to come to us - which will obviously support an attacking front three, hopefully creating more opportuniites to score. UTG!
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Sept 11, 2020 9:21:38 GMT
GFC4EVA Yesterday at 5:02 PM #15,865 Bristol rovers apparently signing Brandon Hanlan. There is a good player in there but as a striker one of the worst finishers I have seen in my time supporting gillingham I remember Andy Williams seemed to miss every single one on one he had but after leaving us his goalscoring record has been pretty decent. Finishing can be coached.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 11, 2020 9:24:00 GMT
What makes you so confident that Humphrys would get 18+ goals? One(ish) good(ish) season with Southend? We have to be realistic. If there is a player that is 'guaranteed' to score that amount of L1 goals then it is unlikely that we will be able to get them - we will be in a queue behind some Championship and the big L1 teams. But the good news is that all other teams similar to us are in the same boat, we all have to scout and pick out players and HOPE they are the next JCH - a lot of them won't turn out to be. The closest I can think of is Pitman, who recently joined Swindon. Guaranteed goals but he is older, and doesn't fit our style so has some big disadvantages. Anyone that ticks all the boxes and is guaranteed that amount of goals is way out of our reach - for example Ivan Toney, we're only about £5.8m+ short of getting him. We have to trust our scouts and support Hanlan. He is fast, he works hard and will work well in a 'fluid' front three. Yes, exactly - I agree with this. Another example would have been Eoin Doyle, who had a fantastic season at Swindon, yet from what I remember was not that outstanding at Bradford. I am guessing he would have cost a fair bit more, than we paid for Brandon, yet his scoring streak may not continue, and he is a much older player. Although, from Steve Evans' remarks I am guessing we paid £150 - 200k (having said an initial £100k offer from a club, perhaps Portsmouth, was an insult, but then another offer was closer to, but not matching, their valuation). What we are trying to do, is to look at the potential of the player, and envisage the player they can become. Although, of course, he has to start realising that potential quite soon! It is importnat that golas are coming from the other front players (and I am confident of JML and Nicholson especially) to ease the pressure on Jonah and Brandon whilst they develop. Interesting, again, that Brandon mentions Ben Garner's planned style of play as a factor in deciding to come to us - which will obviously support an attacking front three, hopefully creating more opportuniites to score.
UTG! I'm guessing he hasn't look at the stats from last season under BG!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 11, 2020 9:28:29 GMT
You’re behaving like one of those medieval witch hunters. Why don’t you tie some lead weights to him and chuck him in the Avon. If he sinks it will prove he was a racist. People have written on this thread posts with phrases like “he’s got power and pace” Hopefully he has and will use those attributes to our benefit. However the BBC have just sent their commentators on a course to dissuade them from using such phrases because, apparently, they racially stereotype. You don’t work for the BBC, do you? Right, I’m going to draw a line on this now. There was no racial prejudice, stereo typing, shaming, incorrect language or anything else by the original post. He couldn’t remember Ayungas name, and given that we also had 3 strikers at the club at the time, 1 black and 2 white of skin colour, he used a specific attribute to his discription to describe who he meant in no other way or terms than as saying the bald, the ginger, the white or the player with blue eyes. So please let’s not vilify a genuine poster because I very much doubt BH or JA would be offended at being called black given that is the colour of their skin. For the avoidance of all doubt I asked my bro in laws opinion who is a black man from Jamaica and he sees nothing wrong with what was typed. Excellent from the moderator and sums it up nicely.
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Post by CrispPusher on Sept 11, 2020 9:29:24 GMT
I certainly had, he was the best player in the Conference when playing for Stevenage - 73 goals in 154 goals. Including one year when they won the Conference but we're denied entry into the league. I remember an FA cup game against Birmingham that was shown on Match of The Day where he gave a really good account of himself against a much higher team. (I get the feeling it was also the first time Holloway had seen him at well). I was delighted when we signed him. Holloway had not seen him. Holloway phoned the then Yeovil manager and asked who the best non league striker was, and he said Hayles with out a doubt. Holloway didn't scout him or even watch him. Told me this himself Think he may have been pulling your leg there.
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Post by lavalamp on Sept 11, 2020 9:48:34 GMT
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