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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 28, 2020 21:31:13 GMT
Possession stats for competitive games under BG Wimbledon (H) 59% Fleetwood (A) 43% MK Dons (A) 39% Coventry (H) 43% Doncaster (H) 35% Coventry (A) 41% Rotherham (A) 40% Fleetwood (H) 40% Bolton (A) 47% Coventry (H) 43% Wycombe (A) 55% Tranmere (A) 51% Blackpool (H) 58% Sunderland (A) 38% Shrewsbury (H) 47% Southend (A) 55% Sunderland (H) 38% Ipswich (A) 48% Sunderland (A) 28% Ipswich (H) 45% Average - Home 45% and Away 44% So we have bossed the ball in 5 of his games in charge one of which was against Blackpool who only had 10 men for much of the game. These stats are pretty meaningless - the key is not how much possession the team has, but what you do with the ball once you have possession. West Ham beat Wolves 4-0 yesterday - and had 37% possession. They were not lucky - they used the ball well when they had it and were very comfortable winners - Wolves didn't look like scoring and had 2 shots on target for their 63% possession. People laugh at managers when they say their team played well without the ball - but that West Ham performance is a classic example of that. It would be more interesting to see if there is any correlation between possession and results. That's why you should ignore possession and follow my shots on target stats instead. They are not far out in alignment with results. We're bottom on shots on target for and against us and we're bottom of the table.
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Post by yetigas on Sept 28, 2020 21:39:47 GMT
These stats are pretty meaningless - the key is not how much possession the team has, but what you do with the ball once you have possession. West Ham beat Wolves 4-0 yesterday - and had 37% possession. They were not lucky - they used the ball well when they had it and were very comfortable winners - Wolves didn't look like scoring and had 2 shots on target for their 63% possession. People laugh at managers when they say their team played well without the ball - but that West Ham performance is a classic example of that. It would be more interesting to see if there is any correlation between possession and results. That's why you should ignore possession and follow my shots on target stats instead. They are not far out in alignment with results. We're bottom on shots on target for and against us and we're bottom of the table. Well....yes. Its hardly surprising that the team that is bottom of the table also has lowest shots on target! Not much to learn from that is there?
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Post by Westy on Sept 29, 2020 8:36:40 GMT
I know stats aren't everything and it is only two games but looking into the stats further our figures seem even worse. The need of an attacking threat is critical. The following stats are for total shots (figures from transfer market). Club Total shots Goals Ratio Lincoln City 17 4 23.5 % Plymouth Argyle 33 5 15.2 % AFC Wimbledon 41 6 14.6 % Doncaster Rovers30 4 13.3 % Gillingham FC 23 3 13.0 % Accrington St 23 3 13.0 % Swindon Town 24 3 12.5 % Ipswich Town 36 4 11.1 % Northampton T 38 4 10.5 % Fleetwood Town 29 3 10.3 % Charlton Ath 30 3 10.0 % Burton Albion 32 3 9.4 % Wigan Athletic 25 2 8.0 % Bristol Rovers 13 1 7.7 % Hull City 40 3 7.5 % Milton Keynes 37 2 5.4 % Sunderland AFC 63 3 4.8 % Peterborough U 48 2 4.2 % Blackpool FC 50 2 4.0 % Rochdale AFC 32 1 3.1 % Shrewsbury Town 36 1 2.8 % Oxford United 22 0 % Portsmouth FC 52 0 % Crewe Alexandra 40 0 % We have the least shots in the league and the fact we have any ratio is that we had a penalty. Last season we were 5th worst team in the league for total shots, so not much better. Someone at the club needs to wake up and take action. We don't sign strikers. Remember the last 20 years, we loan 15 years old defenders in the hope they'll win us the league
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 29, 2020 9:18:48 GMT
That's why you should ignore possession and follow my shots on target stats instead. They are not far out in alignment with results. We're bottom on shots on target for and against us and we're bottom of the table. Well....yes. Its hardly surprising that the team that is bottom of the table also has lowest shots on target! Not much to learn from that is there? It shows how lucky you are I think/how good or bad your keeper is. Luckily ours is very good.
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Post by lavalamp on Sept 29, 2020 9:24:40 GMT
My reasoning for putting up possession stats and also putting up total shot stats on this thread is that none of them are good.
I want to believe in BG but overall I can't see it myself or any improvements.
Unless someone wants to offer any evidence to the contrary.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Sept 29, 2020 10:22:14 GMT
Statistical analysis can be very valid if undertaken scientifically. Some would argue that statistics after just three games are virtually meaningless.
Any team bottom of the league will have poor attacking and defending statistics.
At the moment, we are playing poorly against superior opposition. Our point tally was to be expected although the level of performance was not encouraging. The real benchmark will be our next fixture. Anything less than a win will be unacceptable. Three points on Saturday will thrust us up the table.
Our season will be defined by our results against the likes of Northampton. I'm not being defeatist but this current team is not strong enough on and off the pitch to trouble the big boys of L1.
Yep, we got an away point at Sunderland. I consider that a bonus that was negated by the home defeat to Ipswich.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 2, 2020 11:36:54 GMT
Surely shots in target for us and against us will improve the weekend! Still don't think we will win though!
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Post by fanboy on Oct 2, 2020 13:55:40 GMT
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 2, 2020 13:59:24 GMT
I don't think half of our players have the ability to kick it that far.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 8, 2020 15:41:46 GMT
www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_shotsontargetWe are bottom by some distance for shots on target and shots on target against us. 5 shots on target and 21 against us. - 16. 1.67 avg on target 7 avg shots on target against us. -16. The next worse is Shrews and Rochdale who are - 10. Ipswich have played both us and Rochdale so we're either both really sh** or Ipswich could be strong this season. A quick look at the stats after the Northampton Game where we had 6 shots on target vs their 1. This has pushed us above Burton who are on -14 (these are the 1 team I think we will beat in my Prediction for the next 6 games). We -11 on a par with Wigan who have only had 7 shots on target and 18 shots on target against. Looking at this week's fixture vs Lincoln. They have currently had 20 and faced 15, so +5. I was going to predict 1-0 but based on the fact they have faced quite a few shots, I'm thinking of putting 2-1.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Oct 9, 2020 21:42:56 GMT
Competitive games under BG. Our Shots On Target figures are on the left. Wimbledon (H) 4 SOT vs 5 Fleetwood (A) 1 SOT vs 9 MK Dons (A) 1 SOT vs 9 Coventry (H) 3 SOT vs 6 Doncaster (H) 1 SOT vs 4 Coventry (A) 2 SOT vs 6 Rotherham (A) 2 SOT vs 4 Fleetwood (H) 2 SOT vs 4 Bolton (A) 5 SOT vs 6 Coventry (H) 7 SOT vs 4 Wycombe (A) 5 SOT vs 6 Tranmere (A) 3 SOT vs 2 Blackpool (H) 4 SOT vs 6 Sunderland (A) 1 SOT vs 6 Shrewsbury (H) 1 SOT vs 5 Southend (A) 3 SOT vs 4 Sunderland (H) 3 SOT vs 2 Ipswich (A) 1 SOT vs 10 Sunderland (A) 2 SOT vs 8 Ipswich (H) 2 SOT vs 6 2.65 Shots on Target vs 5.6 Shots On Target Against Us. Based on last season's league table, we would be BOTTOM on BOTH stat counts. This is a deeply worrying and alarming stat for me. www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_shotsontargetEven worse so far this season with 1.66 Vs 8. Admittedly a very small sample size. Here's a target. Why not aim for a positive thread for a change?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 9, 2020 22:18:11 GMT
Competitive games under BG. Our Shots On Target figures are on the left. Wimbledon (H) 4 SOT vs 5 Fleetwood (A) 1 SOT vs 9 MK Dons (A) 1 SOT vs 9 Coventry (H) 3 SOT vs 6 Doncaster (H) 1 SOT vs 4 Coventry (A) 2 SOT vs 6 Rotherham (A) 2 SOT vs 4 Fleetwood (H) 2 SOT vs 4 Bolton (A) 5 SOT vs 6 Coventry (H) 7 SOT vs 4 Wycombe (A) 5 SOT vs 6 Tranmere (A) 3 SOT vs 2 Blackpool (H) 4 SOT vs 6 Sunderland (A) 1 SOT vs 6 Shrewsbury (H) 1 SOT vs 5 Southend (A) 3 SOT vs 4 Sunderland (H) 3 SOT vs 2 Ipswich (A) 1 SOT vs 10 Sunderland (A) 2 SOT vs 8 Ipswich (H) 2 SOT vs 6 2.65 Shots on Target vs 5.6 Shots On Target Against Us. Based on last season's league table, we would be BOTTOM on BOTH stat counts. This is a deeply worrying and alarming stat for me. www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_shotsontargetEven worse so far this season with 1.66 Vs 8. Admittedly a very small sample size. Here's a target. Why not aim for a positive thread for a change? It's a stats thread. I can't help it if those stats aren't positive. Hope we will improve them hey?
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Post by markczgas on Oct 9, 2020 22:30:52 GMT
Here's a target. Why not aim for a positive thread for a change? It's a stats thread. I can't help it if those stats aren't positive. Hope we will improve them hey? Are you still worrying ? It's only football. Have a beer and unwind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 0:06:13 GMT
Here's a target. Why not aim for a positive thread for a change? It's a stats thread. I can't help it if those stats aren't positive. Hope we will improve them hey? I had to laugh at the thought of toxic positivity fans shouting “can‘t you just be more bloody positive?!” at a page of stats 😂
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 10, 2020 8:42:04 GMT
www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_shotsontargetWe are bottom by some distance for shots on target and shots on target against us. 5 shots on target and 21 against us. - 16. 1.67 avg on target 7 avg shots on target against us. -16. The next worse is Shrews and Rochdale who are - 10. Ipswich have played both us and Rochdale so we're either both really sh** or Ipswich could be strong this season. A quick look at the stats after the Northampton Game where we had 6 shots on target vs their 1. This has pushed us above Burton who are on -14 (these are the 1 team I think we will beat in my Prediction for the next 6 games). We -11 on a par with Wigan who have only had 7 shots on target and 18 shots on target against. Looking at this week's fixture vs Lincoln. They have currently had 20 and faced 15, so +5. I was going to predict 1-0 but based on the fact they have faced quite a few shots, I'm thinking of putting 2-1. Thing is stats are only really useful after more games, as a lot of the club's have not had as tough of opponents as us. For example Shrewsbury have played Northampton, Plymouth, Gillingham and Portsmouth. You would expect us to have more shots against the 3 other teams they played, than we did against Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster. So Shrewsbury could be a winnable game as well. Northampton even best Shrewsbury away. So you can't just go by the stats after four games. Hull had not conceded until last night and then they let in four. Every game is winnable at this level. Even though we didn't play well, if the ref didn't bottle it we could have beat Sunderland away. Like performances, it's best to read more info the stats after more games.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 10, 2020 11:27:27 GMT
A quick look at the stats after the Northampton Game where we had 6 shots on target vs their 1. This has pushed us above Burton who are on -14 (these are the 1 team I think we will beat in my Prediction for the next 6 games). We -11 on a par with Wigan who have only had 7 shots on target and 18 shots on target against. Looking at this week's fixture vs Lincoln. They have currently had 20 and faced 15, so +5. I was going to predict 1-0 but based on the fact they have faced quite a few shots, I'm thinking of putting 2-1. Thing is stats are only really useful after more games, as a lot of the club's have not had as tough of opponents as us. For example Shrewsbury have played Northampton, Plymouth, Gillingham and Portsmouth. You would expect us to have more shots against the 3 other teams they played, than we did against Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster. So Shrewsbury could be a winnable game as well. Northampton even best Shrewsbury away. So you can't just go by the stats after four games. Hull had not conceded until last night and then they let in four. Every game is winnable at this level. Even though we didn't play well, if the ref didn't bottle it we could have beat Sunderland away. Like performances, it's best to read more info the stats after more games. I'm not taking it too serious after 4 games but our stats have continued from last season. This is more something just to follow for me and see how it unfolds.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 12, 2020 20:29:17 GMT
Wigan -20 Burton -18 Northampton -16
Currently rated as the worst teams. We are now on a much more respectable -9.
Crewe are maybe the biggest surprise on +13. They ar ejoint top with Ipswich, also on +13.
Also MK Dons are on +6 despite being bottom.
Some of these results are skewed as mot everyone played this weekend. And even though we are on - 9, we are a home game behind.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Oct 12, 2020 20:52:13 GMT
Thread for the Garner outers
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Post by LJG on Oct 12, 2020 21:28:08 GMT
Here's a target. Why not aim for a positive thread for a change? It's a stats thread. I can't help it if those stats aren't positive. Hope we will improve them hey? Again you keep going back to those stats and the past. EVERY TIME. I'm guessing you have no argument because you don't watch the games.
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Post by axegas on Oct 12, 2020 21:36:23 GMT
It's a stats thread. I can't help it if those stats aren't positive. Hope we will improve them hey? Again you keep going back to those stats and the past. EVERY TIME. I'm guessing you have no argument because you don't watch the games. Dragging a post up from two years ago to make a point? You're as bad as GGMI I've forgotten what I posted last week yet alone two years ago.
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