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Post by LJG on Oct 12, 2020 22:12:00 GMT
Dragging a post up from two years ago to make a point? You're as bad as GGMI I've forgotten what I posted last week yet alone two years ago. Sounds like you should get that checked out. Thankfully I don't have that problem.
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Post by axegas on Oct 12, 2020 22:22:21 GMT
Dragging a post up from two years ago to make a point? You're as bad as GGMI I've forgotten what I posted last week yet alone two years ago. Sounds like you should get that checked out. Thankfully I don't have that problem. Must be all those more important things in my life that I've got to remember getting in the way.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 19, 2020 8:20:03 GMT
Wigan -20 Burton -18 Northampton -16 Currently rated as the worst teams. We are now on a much more respectable -9. Crewe are maybe the biggest surprise on +13. They ar ejoint top with Ipswich, also on +13. Also MK Dons are on +6 despite being bottom. Some of these results are skewed as mot everyone played this weekend. And even though we are on - 9, we are a home game behind. We stay on - 9 (same as tomorrow nights opponents, Shrewsbury) Worst teams are Wigan on - 20 Burton on - 18 Northampton and Gillingham on - 13 Best teams are Ipswich on +15 Peterborough +14 Sunderland +13. Sunderland also have a game in hand
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 19, 2020 8:29:25 GMT
Wigan -20 Burton -18 Northampton -16 Currently rated as the worst teams. We are now on a much more respectable -9. Crewe are maybe the biggest surprise on +13. They ar ejoint top with Ipswich, also on +13. Also MK Dons are on +6 despite being bottom. Some of these results are skewed as mot everyone played this weekend. And even though we are on - 9, we are a home game behind. We stay on - 9 (same as tomorrow nights opponents, Shrewsbury) Worst teams are Wigan on - 20 Burton on - 18 Northampton and Gillingham on - 13 Best teams are Ipswich on +15 Peterborough +14 Sunderland +13. Sunderland also have a game in hand Thanks for updating, I am a stats guy so this stuff appeals. Shrewsbury won 1-0 on Saturday having only had 2 shots in the whole match. As a stats person that annoys me lol.
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Post by barumgas on Oct 19, 2020 8:33:41 GMT
We stay on - 9 (same as tomorrow nights opponents, Shrewsbury) Worst teams are Wigan on - 20 Burton on - 18 Northampton and Gillingham on - 13 Best teams are Ipswich on +15 Peterborough +14 Sunderland +13. Sunderland also have a game in hand Thanks for updating, I am a stats guy so this stuff appeals. Shrewsbury won 1-0 onSaturday having only had 2 shots in the whole match. As a stats person that annoys me lol. Do the stats indicate tomorrw night will be a drab affair ending up as 0-0
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 19, 2020 8:56:39 GMT
Thanks for updating, I am a stats guy so this stuff appeals. Shrewsbury won 1-0 onSaturday having only had 2 shots in the whole match. As a stats person that annoys me lol. Do the stats indicate tomorrw night will be a drab affair ending up as 0-0 Happy Monday my friend! Well Shrewsbury set up 433 so if we adopt our 352 that we have for the last few matches, you might say that we should have more freedom in midfield. Shrewsbury may well put our back line under pressure and their signing of Leon Clarke spells danger. That being said he is 35 and played the 90 on Saturday so might not be able to do the full 90 again. No doubt a threat on set pieces tho, so we will need to be better in that regard. Shrewsbury have a goal in them for sure and have scored in all competition so far. There back two CBs certainly have a yellow card in them and if Brandon remains a handful then we might be looking at another red during this match as this seems the only method for stopping him so far this season. Rovers have had a slow start and have been learning their brand against a whole range of playing styles already this season and the most recent game provided a lesson that they will have learned a lot from both the players and the management team. I believe that in the early stages where we only glimpsed a bit of the attacking phases we are starting to see it more and more. Fully expect Rovers to come flying out the gates tomorrow and shock the Shrewsbury back line. Early goal for the gas. What happens next will be intriguing. Get a second and I fully expect us to manage out the game. If they score, i can see a loss. Most important for us is to defend these set pieces that we keep conceding on. I absolutely hate these scrabbly pin ball goals that we concede but understand that a goal is a goal and we need to either score more or keep them out somehow. Predicting 3-0 to Rovers with some rose tinted glasses on. Brandon (Pen) Daly and finally McCormick to get off the mark from outside the box.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 29, 2020 22:25:33 GMT
Updated after our 8th game (2-1 home defeat vs Hull) Lowest teams:
Wigan -18 Northampton -18 Burton -15 Shrewsbury -15
Highest teams
Pompey +25 Lincoln +17 Sunderland +17 Hull +15
Rovers currently on -9. Our opponents on Saturday, Rochdale are on -11.
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Post by yaz on Oct 29, 2020 23:15:41 GMT
Just seen this thread and it partially answers what I think and referred to in another post. gaschat.co.uk/post/667418/threadIt would also be nice to see specific data on our midfielders, especially Westbrook and Grant as they seem to be ever present so far this season? Maybe early days yet but I suspect they will not be good reading. Assist; Hanlan header from Westbrook free kick? Any other assists from all the set pieces taken by Westbrook? Grant's statistics? I think these will not be very good reading? Up The Shots Down The Shots (below the bar)! UTG
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 30, 2020 7:43:24 GMT
Just seen this thread and it partially answers what I think and referred to in another post. gaschat.co.uk/post/667418/threadIt would also be nice to see specific data on our midfielders, especially Westbrook and Grant as they seem to be ever present so far this season? Maybe early days yet but I suspect they will not be good reading. Assist; Hanlan header from Westbrook free kick? Any other assists from all the set pieces taken by Westbrook? Grant's statistics? I think these will not be very good reading? Up The Shots Down The Shots (below the bar)! UTG I’ll Grab those stats for you when I get to work later mate
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 30, 2020 8:28:27 GMT
Zain Westbrooke Mins played 707 Rating 6.74 Shots 5 (4 outside the box 1 penalty area) Assists 2 Key passes 20 (7 long 13 short) Tackles 7 Interceptions 7 Shots Blocked 0 Crossed Blocked 0 Passes Blocks 6 Dribbles 1 Fouls 3 Getting Fouled 9
Josh Grant Mins played 720 Rating 6.57 Shots 3 (1 outside the box 1 penalty area 1 six yard box) Assists 0 Key passes 1 Successful Tackles 16 Attempted tackles 26 Interceptions 8 Shots Blocked 5 Crossed Blocked 1 Passes Blocked 12 Dribbles 2 Fouls 9 Getting Fouled 6
After the Hull game I noticed a lot of praise for George Honeyman so I have provided his stats by way of top end benchmark I guess (rightly or wrongly)
* Please note that Honeyman has played an extra game!
George Honeyman Mins played 803 Rating 7.57 Shots 9 (3 outside the box 5 penalty area 1 six yard box) Assists 4 Key passes 20 Successful Tackles 33 Attempted tackles 41 Interceptions 11 Shots Blocked 0 Crossed Blocked 0 Passes Blocked 10 Dribbles 8 Fouls 13 Getting Fouled 15
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 30, 2020 8:37:36 GMT
Decided it was not exactly fair to compare Josh Grant to Honeyman as they play different roles so dug out a top CDM in the league to Benchmark against:
Ben Whiteman Mins played 720 Rating 7.16 Shots 17 (13 outside the box 4 penalty area 0 six yard box) Assists 2 Key passes 13 Successful Tackles 13 Attempted tackles 21 Interceptions 18 Shots Blocked 4 Crossed Blocked 0 Passes Blocked 4 Dribbles 6 Fouls 10 Getting Fouled 0 (Weird!)
Josh Grant
Mins played 720 Rating 6.57 Shots 3 (1 outside the box 1 penalty area 1 six yard box) Assists 0 Key passes 1 Successful Tackles 16 Attempted tackles 26 Interceptions 8 Shots Blocked 5 Crossed Blocked 1 Passes Blocked 12 Dribbles 2 Fouls 9 Getting Fouled 6
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 30, 2020 8:45:03 GMT
Zain WestbrookeMins played 707 Rating 6.74 Shots 5 (4 outside the box 1 penalty area) Assists 2 Key passes 20 (7 long 13 short) Tackles 7 Interceptions 7 Shots Blocked 50 Crossed Blocked 0 Passes Blocks 6 Dribbles 1 Fouls 3 Getting Fouled 9 Josh GrantMins played 720 Rating 6.57 Shots 3 (1 outside the box 1 penalty area 1 six yard box) Assists 0 Key passes 1 Successful Tackles 16 Attempted tackles 26 Interceptions 8 Shots Blocked 5 Crossed Blocked 1 Passes Blocked 12 Dribbles 2 Fouls 9 Getting Fouled 6 After the Hull game I noticed a lot of praise for George Honeyman so I have provided his stats by way of top end benchmark I guess (rightly or wrongly) * Please note that Honeyman has played an extra game!George HoneymanMins played 803 Rating 7.57 Shots 9 (3 outside the box 5 penalty area 1 six yard box) Assists 4 Key passes 20 Successful Tackles 33 Attempted tackles 41 Interceptions 11 Shots Blocked 0 Crossed Blocked 0 Passes Blocked 10 Dribbles 8 Fouls 13 Getting Fouled 15 That shot blocks for Westbrooke must be an error?? Should that be 5 and not 50??
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 30, 2020 8:53:32 GMT
Zain WestbrookeMins played 707 Rating 6.74 Shots 5 (4 outside the box 1 penalty area) Assists 2 Key passes 20 (7 long 13 short) Tackles 7 Interceptions 7 Shots Blocked 50 Crossed Blocked 0 Passes Blocks 6 Dribbles 1 Fouls 3 Getting Fouled 9 Josh GrantMins played 720 Rating 6.57 Shots 3 (1 outside the box 1 penalty area 1 six yard box) Assists 0 Key passes 1 Successful Tackles 16 Attempted tackles 26 Interceptions 8 Shots Blocked 5 Crossed Blocked 1 Passes Blocked 12 Dribbles 2 Fouls 9 Getting Fouled 6 After the Hull game I noticed a lot of praise for George Honeyman so I have provided his stats by way of top end benchmark I guess (rightly or wrongly) * Please note that Honeyman has played an extra game!George HoneymanMins played 803 Rating 7.57 Shots 9 (3 outside the box 5 penalty area 1 six yard box) Assists 4 Key passes 20 Successful Tackles 33 Attempted tackles 41 Interceptions 11 Shots Blocked 0 Crossed Blocked 0 Passes Blocked 10 Dribbles 8 Fouls 13 Getting Fouled 15 That shot blocks for Westbrooke must be an error?? Should that be 5 and not 50?? Aye, cheers lad - in fact its zero (Edited)
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Post by Quarters on Oct 30, 2020 13:00:05 GMT
Out of interest do you have Ogogo figures for last season?
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Post by yaz on Oct 30, 2020 13:15:39 GMT
Great stats, thanks.
Question now is, what do they mean in English as regards their attacking capability, holding or stopping midfielder, etc. and could you then come up with an overall best L1 midfielder table? To me, the data indicates that the attacking aspects for these 2 players are very small. Westbrook who takes most / all of our set pieces should be far higher wrt assists, etc. ?
I wonder what others make of this data as there are a lot of comments in various threads about our midfield and their performances?
I appreciate that statistics only tell part of a story and can be very misleading at times. Generally I am not a fan of them especially when the statistics get to more and more smaller levels eg game statistics then broken down into attack / defence data then individual data etc. If I pass the ball a 100 times and successful every time because it was on average 5 yards but always back to the goalie, what does that say? Brilliant passer?
Up The Stats UTG
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 30, 2020 13:47:04 GMT
Out of interest do you have Ogogo figures for last season? Abu OgogoMins played 2035 Rating 6.65 Shots 19 (5 outside the box 14 penalty area 0 six yard box) Assists 1 Key passes 14 Successful Tackles 48 Attempted tackles 72 Interceptions 23 Shots Blocked 6 Crossed Blocked 6 Passes Blocked 20 Dribbles 811 Fouls 31 Getting Fouled 30
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 30, 2020 14:05:21 GMT
Great stats, thanks. Question now is, what do they mean in English as regards their attacking capability, holding or stopping midfielder, etc. and could you then come up with an overall best L1 midfielder table? To me, the data indicates that the attacking aspects for these 2 players are very small. Westbrook who takes most / all of our set pieces should be far higher wrt assists, etc. ? I wonder what others make of this data as there are a lot of comments in various threads about our midfield and their performances? I appreciate that statistics only tell part of a story and can be very misleading at times. Generally I am not a fan of them especially when the statistics get to more and more smaller levels eg game statistics then broken down into attack / defence data then individual data etc. If I pass the ball a 100 times and successful every time because it was on average 5 yards but always back to the goalie, what does that say? Brilliant passer? Up The Stats UTG Yeah that is the question. Below are the categories and sub categories from the Who Scored website that I am using for these datasets. ( I just picked a few that i thought were important for the CM and CDM roles in scope Defensive Offensive Passing Defensive sub categories: Tackles Interceptions Fouls Offsides Clearances Dribbles Blocks Offensive sub categories: Goals Assists Key passes Dribbles Fouled Offsides Dispossessed Bad control Passing: Assists Key Passes Crosses Long Ball Through Ball I would need access to raw data to create a league table based on what you are referring to and unfortunately I don't have the time or the data to achieve it much to my annoyance as i would love to do it lol
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 30, 2020 17:02:08 GMT
Thanks for the stats 1883, lots of hard work collecting them together.👍 I guess they are interesting to look at but the danger is, imo, getting too immersed in them and thinking they are the story, (I know you haven’t done that) when they are part of the story only. I liked the comparisons esp when you put Whitman up, a better comparison. I suggest Honeyman is one of the best midfielders in League, pretty sure he player PL football for Sunderland so his experience and ability isn’t questioned. And of course he’s in League 1 now and should be compared with others in the same league. Another point perhaps is that BG has built an almost completely new team and getting them to play together takes time and as we’ve seen is getting better. Other teams may have been together much longer. Certainly Hull had many of those players last season, Honeyman and Wilkes and Eaves for who, Honeyman will be providing the assists. And stats can misdirect you as well, how many times do we see possession stats be completely out of line with the final result? But they are important and us looking at them on here is just replicating what BGs analysis guy will be doing. The most important stats are goals scored, conceded and points gained and these individual performance-related stats are the explanations for goals and points and ultimately, position in the table. UTG!
ps. Also thanks to GGMI for his original post, though I know he did it to support his views at the time! 😉
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 30, 2020 19:07:29 GMT
Totally mate
I like looking at stats as it’s what I kinda do for a living just not football unfortunately
I recently watched a money ball YouTube video based on what Brentford have done and their owner built up solid profits gambling based on algorithms he developed for gambling where he bet not on the teams just at the top but more around teams that created a ton of real good chances consistently. I guess betting that they would convert rather than teams that maybe creates very little but we’re winning.
I like that idea 💡 but yeah I agree one can not rely on stats alone.
I actually think the stats have some real positives especially the key passes for Westbrooke
It basically comes down to how well our three midfielders gel and the fluidity of the team around them to transistion into positions to create space and cover.
I was interested to see in the hull extended highlights that dave and Zain seemed to switch places at time’s which was an indicator that BG is certainly drilling the team to operate in a kinda total football way.
Like Mark Little said before I think something special is brewing (cue special brew jokes)
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 6, 2020 17:24:06 GMT
Updated after our 8th game (2-1 home defeat vs Hull) Lowest teams: Wigan -18 Northampton -18 Burton -15 Shrewsbury -15 Highest teams Pompey +25 Lincoln +17 Sunderland +17 Hull +15 Rovers currently on -9. Our opponents on Saturday, Rochdale are on -11. Most teams have played 11 games now (we're on 10) Lowest: Wigan -39 Burton -20 Shrewsbury -16 Highest: Portsmouth +26 Pboro +20 Sunderland +19 Hull +18 We are currently on -11 and have had the 3rd least shots on target (29, 2.9 avg a game). The 2 teams below us are Wigan on 24 and suprisingly, Charlton on 26. Charlton are on -7 overall so by my calculations they are massively overachieving on these stats. 14 of their 26 shots on target have gone in, as opposed to only 7 of 33 shots on target against them. Tomorrow's opponent's Walsall have had 45 shots on target in L2 and 46 shots on target against them. So we should be able to get a few shots on target against them based on that. For the record we have had 29 shots on target for and 40 against (1 less game then Walsall).
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