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Post by onedaygas83 on Dec 2, 2020 21:32:50 GMT
Forward players are not the problem in this team although we are a striker or 2 light, it's the 2 holding midfielders and centre backs that worry me the most! Tutonda hasn't had a look since tisdale took over nor has Westbrook started. As for upson surly ogogo is a better option? We trusted a guy with a full overhaul in the summer and sacked him 10 games in before he could get these players to play the way he wanted and now we have another manager in charge of this untried team we've just created a cluster f**k situation where no player knows what's coming or going! Wael you really should have stuck with Garner this season with this massive overhaul of players coming in or you should have just got rid of Garner in the summer because now we are relegation fodder
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Post by oldmarket65 on Dec 2, 2020 21:40:08 GMT
Sorry but I think the failure to sign an experienced striker is central to our problems . This was proved by j.c.h who kept us up twice.
If we had five strikers with two experienced . We would be mid to lower in table.
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Post by gaelgas on Dec 2, 2020 21:43:16 GMT
Get cam Hargreaves in for Ed upson and move them up the pitch, we are so slow to attack its shocking. Cant blame Tisdale too much as he has been chucked in there. Sorry Tisdale haven’t been chucked in there he took the job and probably done his homework on Rovers,best form of defence attack attack. Given that we appear to be far better going forward than defending our only form of defence is attack!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 2, 2020 21:55:40 GMT
A bit dramatic RD. I'm not saying we will or won't go down but bit OTT. I honestly think we are by FAR the worst team in this division. Hence down. Lightweight, shocking defensive errors and - crucially - no goals. Wigan are worse than us definitely. However we are one of the worst teams but most of that was under Garner. I wouldn't want to write Tisdale off after 3 games and we need to give him time to see what changes he makes.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Dec 2, 2020 22:09:29 GMT
32 yes 32 games to go and 1 point from safety, nobody has EVER been relegated after 14 games, talk about OTT. I'm not saying we aren't struggling its plain to see we have an unbalanced squad and lack leaders, however we do have some talented players. Tisdale has to be given a chance to sort this mess out, it's not as though we're 10 points adrift with 10 games to go, there's still a lot of time to recover.
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Post by yetigas on Dec 2, 2020 22:09:56 GMT
Most worrying is that Tisdale has had 3 relatively easy matches to start his Rovers career and has failed massively so far. There's no point blaming BG - these players are more than capable of finishing midtable but need good management i.e organisation and motivation. BG had 12 points from 11 games when many of those matched were against top half sides. PT has managed 1 point against 3 relatively poor teams. As I said at the time, BG should have been given longer...but we are where we are and we need to back PT. We should be able to get a comfortable mid-table finish if the players are well-managed.
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Post by Slide away on Dec 2, 2020 22:31:21 GMT
Most worrying is that Tisdale has had 3 relatively easy matches to start his Rovers career and has failed massively so far. There's no point blaming BG - these players are more than capable of finishing midtable but need good management i.e organisation and motivation. BG had 12 points from 11 games when many of those matched were against top half sides. PT has managed 1 point against 3 relatively poor teams. As I said at the time, BG should have been given longer...but we are where we are and we need to back PT. We should be able to get a comfortable mid-table finish if the players are well-managed. You must see something different from me then as I see a squad that is totally unbalanced with zero leadership, that is appalling defensively and doesn't look like scoring any goals!
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Post by aghast on Dec 2, 2020 22:39:33 GMT
Most worrying is that Tisdale has had 3 relatively easy matches to start his Rovers career and has failed massively so far. There's no point blaming BG - these players are more than capable of finishing midtable but need good management i.e organisation and motivation. BG had 12 points from 11 games when many of those matched were against top half sides. PT has managed 1 point against 3 relatively poor teams. As I said at the time, BG should have been given longer...but we are where we are and we need to back PT. We should be able to get a comfortable mid-table finish if the players are well-managed. But we have no strikers, and the squad had just adjusted to passing the ball endlessly around at the back (as BG brainwashed them into doing). It will take more than three games to change that.
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Post by terry on Dec 2, 2020 22:49:52 GMT
Don't worry about relegation , at least 4 teams in this division will go out of business . You'll have the pleasure of watching us against somebodies 3rd team
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 2, 2020 22:52:52 GMT
Most worrying is that Tisdale has had 3 relatively easy matches to start his Rovers career and has failed massively so far. There's no point blaming BG - these players are more than capable of finishing midtable but need good management i.e organisation and motivation. BG had 12 points from 11 games when many of those matched were against top half sides. PT has managed 1 point against 3 relatively poor teams. As I said at the time, BG should have been given longer...but we are where we are and we need to back PT. We should be able to get a comfortable mid-table finish if the players are well-managed. BG had long enough. He got to bring his own staff in, his own players in, f**ked up. Brought more players in the summer, f**ked up again. Give him 10 games they said. Still did sh**. And yet you would still have given him more time?! Yet pretty much writing PT off after 3 games? I don't get it?
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Post by gregsy on Dec 2, 2020 22:56:51 GMT
Don't worry about relegation , at least 4 teams in this division will go out of business . You'll have the pleasure of watching us against somebodies 3rd team Sound like you should be reporting for the mail or the express.... Next you'll be telling us that we don't need to worry about relegation because the earths gonna be hit by a meteorite....
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Post by eastgas on Dec 2, 2020 22:57:59 GMT
I’m not thinking about relegation just yet. It is a possibility if things don’t improve quickly but for me it’s still early days. We really need to be looking to take 8-10 points from our next 5 league games and if we do, like I think we will, we will be looking at a much different table. Taking 3-4 points from our previous 3 league games, which wouldn’t of been a surprise if we had as the performances merited something from Wigan and Swindon and we wouldn’t be looking so bad. The emotion strait after a game has the ability to create a negative feeling. We have seen some signs of improvement. That said PT does have a job on his hands to turn this around and I don’t think January can come quick enough.
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Post by chewbacca on Dec 2, 2020 23:25:51 GMT
Cheers Ben.
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Post by alanrg on Dec 2, 2020 23:49:13 GMT
The biggest concern 4 me is r home form 7 matches played and 5 defeats absolutely appalling
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Post by yetigas on Dec 3, 2020 0:00:56 GMT
Most worrying is that Tisdale has had 3 relatively easy matches to start his Rovers career and has failed massively so far. There's no point blaming BG - these players are more than capable of finishing midtable but need good management i.e organisation and motivation. BG had 12 points from 11 games when many of those matched were against top half sides. PT has managed 1 point against 3 relatively poor teams. As I said at the time, BG should have been given longer...but we are where we are and we need to back PT. We should be able to get a comfortable mid-table finish if the players are well-managed. You must see something different from me then as I see a squad that is totally unbalanced with zero leadership, that is appalling defensively and doesn't look like scoring any goals! We had an average start to the season, not great, but lower mid-table. Since PT has come in we have hit relegation form. We have been a little unlucky with injuries eg Daly, Rodman, Little but we have enough quality to finish mid-table. The question is whether PT can organise and motivate in the weeks ahead. As he is an experienced manager, and as I assume that the board did their due diligence on him, we have to believe that he can. Time will tell of course, but I remain optimistic that he will find his managerial feet and start getting results soon.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 3, 2020 0:01:59 GMT
A soft spine & poor in both boxes.
We’re making far too many individual defensive errors and scoring less than a goal per game. Other than Wigan (scored 10 to our 11), Shrewsbury are the next lowest scorers with 15. And three of our 11 have been penalties...
Obviously there’s a long way to go yet & lots of points to play for, but we’re not a good side. Really not a good side.
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Post by gregsy on Dec 3, 2020 0:19:47 GMT
And its really hard to see a way to turn it around.... And by that I mean turn it around consistently and change the squad mentality.... We can't go on dropping league points like this. Before today's game a draw would have been disappointing, so there's no point moving the goal posts because we lost. It simply needs to pick up fast because I fear that should we slip 3 or more points away from safety with the amount of goals we've scored, then its pretty grim.... Add to that that every single opponent will view us as a sitting duck right now, and rightly so, because we are....
Really, really need to find something from somewhere....
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 3, 2020 0:50:26 GMT
Get cam Hargreaves in for Ed upson and move them up the pitch, we are so slow to attack its shocking. Cant blame Tisdale too much as he has been chucked in there. Or Liddle. I thought he had a good game on Sunday. Was a lot more mobile than Upson and was always looking to get on the ball.
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 3, 2020 1:00:00 GMT
Its just a case of deja vu every game. Same old mistakes, most oif our goals against under Garner were just like the second goal last night. Three at the back and a wing back breaks with nobody in front 9of him to defend and the three centre backs on the other side of the area, ball i8n Kilgour asleep and in the net. Last season we consistently played Ollie Clarke and Upson and now we have Grant and Upson- no better at all.I do0 not doubt that we have some talent and had we kept JCH we would have been well towards the top because he would score goals most games. I think with Otzumer , Hanlan and Nicholson around him we could honestly have been looking at a great season. Instead as usual we have not replaced JCH like Lambert before him and many others and will probably pay the ultimate price. Yes thankfully it is still early doors but I just can't see where a win will come from.
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Post by kampucheagas on Dec 3, 2020 7:00:48 GMT
We’ve played the majority of the season without a striker even on the bench.
Even pre season we could all see we needed another striker.
How on earth there wasn’t anyone questioning Garners recruitment baffles me. We now have 2 centre backs on the bench because we can’t find attacking options to change games
Walker was our only forward looking player available to Tisdale last night and he’s too young to be the answer
I NEVER thought I’d utter these words but even Bennett and Nichols would get in this squad. Shocking.
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