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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 3, 2020 10:03:06 GMT
A soft spine & poor in both boxes.We’re making far too many individual defensive errors and scoring less than a goal per game. Other than Wigan (scored 10 to our 11), Shrewsbury are the next lowest scorers with 15. And three of our 11 have been penalties... Obviously there’s a long way to go yet & lots of points to play for, but we’re not a good side. Really not a good side. I've dated her too! Brilliant !!
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Dec 3, 2020 10:16:51 GMT
Im not pessimistic I'm more realistic And looking at it we're sh1te either end with an average midfield. I'm pretty certain if we carry on like this we're league 2 bound. Its going to take nothing short of a miracle to keep us out of relegation play offs
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Post by LJG on Dec 3, 2020 10:24:27 GMT
Hey don't forget Tisdale played for us as an 8 year old or whatever it was. Honestly I've never felt more like I was being grifted by Rovers than when Tisdale and Starnes came out with that sh**. Remember it was Garner who ended a near decade run of ex Youth Team players in the starting line up. Yes, acknowledge that I was more talking about the fact PT was trying to use some bullshit sales tactics on us as fans by giving it that nonsense about Rovers being his first club having a special place in his heart. It was clearly yarn spinning.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 3, 2020 10:29:40 GMT
I think my main worry right now is that I'm not sure we've gone forward yet under PT. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have sacked Garner, it was the right decision. But so far we've still managed to get worse than we were under Garner IMO.
I know it's only been a couple of weeks but we really needed a new manager boost and frankly, we haven't had it. Whilst we are slowly starting to see improvements, with games coming twice a week until Christmas I just don't see where/when we will be good enough to win games.
I think that fact we haven't had a new manager boost is really a testament to this squad as well and their attitude. Apart from Nicholson, Hanlan, Jaakola & McCormack - I just don't see any effort or urgency in the team at all (from the team last night).
Sadly it looks like all the recruitment work we've done over the past 12 months needs to be torn up in January, just to have a chance of staying up. Worrying times
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Post by justin blue on Dec 3, 2020 10:30:51 GMT
What a load 0f dross. Absolutely dreadful. Defending bloody awful and when we change to a back three we immediately get caught out wide with no full back or cover anywhere near.Centre halves are dire. Gran t just gets bypassed too much and Upson far too slow. Don't know where the next win in the league will come from as we don t look like scoring goals in the League. We just have a totally unbalanced squad with very few attacking options and Tisdale filling the team with defensive players. The only consolation is we dont have to go out in the cold and watch this rubbish. Its still early but I cant see anything but relegation at5 this moment in time. I used to look forward to your post match summary and player scores. Sorry Steve, but this is just a load of reactionary drivel,
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Post by singupgas on Dec 3, 2020 10:30:53 GMT
To turn this side round, PT needs to get back to basics, 4 4 2, this whole trying playing attractive football and having some identity is nonsense. We are a league 1 side. The business is about winning games... think most of us would give GC more respect knowing that this is what tyring to play pretty football gets you in league 1.
I think there are 8 games between now and the window opening. I would be setting the team challenge of getting at least 12 from the 24 points available.
PT must bring in an experienced core of players, sorry for Wael, but he will likely need to spend more money of he fancies keeping us in league 1. We need experienced CB, CM and Striker. I also think we like much ability out wide, would love to see Billy Bodin sort of player back at the club.
Finally I really really hope PT gets angry with this lot, now is not the time for someone to sit back and learn and have thoughts, fire them up a bit. Surely they must watch games back and be embarrassed by some of the performances.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 11:00:12 GMT
I think my main worry right now is that I'm not sure we've gone forward yet under PT. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have sacked Garner, it was the right decision. But so far we've still managed to get worse than we were under Garner IMO. I know it's only been a couple of weeks but we really needed a new manager boost and frankly, we haven't had it. Whilst we are slowly starting to see improvements, with games coming twice a week until Christmas I just don't see where/when we will be good enough to win games. I think that fact we haven't had a new manager boost is really a testament to this squad as well and their attitude. Apart from Nicholson, Hanlan, Jaakola & McCormack - I just don't see any effort or urgency in the team at all (from the team last night). Sadly it looks like all the recruitment work we've done over the past 12 months needs to be torn up in January, just to have a chance of staying up. Worrying times Sooner or later you have to stop blaming Garner, he’s not here anymore, and wonder whether the players were all they were cracked up to be. Garner was very poor in terms of in game management and as you say for that reason alone it was not the wrong move to get rid of him but equally he didn’t exist in a vacuum and some of his disastrous decision making with regard to squad make up was preventable if the people around him who should have been providing oversight for a complete managerial rookie had exercised some caution that was bleeding obvious to us fans. Okay, it’s hindsight fair enough, but it really does beggar belief that a guy with no experience of management was trusted enough to know what he was doing in putting together a squad that lacked experience strikers whilst being over-loaded with players in other positions. It’s noticeable that last night the normally powder puff and twee commentary team were even being somewhat critical and bemused at how we had ended up with an unbalanced squad.
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Post by GasAttacK on Dec 3, 2020 11:12:11 GMT
There is no doubt we're in a relegation battle and probably will be all season.
Unlike Rovers teams of recent years I wonder how many of our current suqad are up for the fight.
With the players available I think PT got the starting 11 right last night. We were doing okay for 30 minutes and looked the more likely to score but once we went behind we rarely looked like getting back on level terms. Also think he has to forget 3 at the back, second half was poor and we look like conceding far to often with that formation.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Dec 3, 2020 11:22:43 GMT
A lot will depend on the EFL rules on whether clubs can add the cup money . I raised this on forum and nobody knew the answer . Thus far we have made 40k from Micky mouse and nearly 80k from fa cup. We are still in both .
If EFL refuses . Then it's a waiting game in loaning players out and how much a club will pay weekly in order to deduct from playing budget.
However : if we got 200k to put to wages in January . Then it changes a lot . We shall see...
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Post by chewbacca on Dec 3, 2020 11:23:00 GMT
Ben Garner was asked to build a better squad but misheard and built a beta squad.
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 3, 2020 11:32:11 GMT
Justin Blue, reactionary maybe ,drivel unfortunately not! watching Rovers at the moment is something which unfortunately it is in my blood and I can't stop it despite it not making pleasant viewing. I can only hope that we can get a lucky win soon and suddenly the errors will go out of players games and the few moments of class which is visible at times in these players become more regular. With a couple more attacking options this squad is capable of turning this around but the longer the present run goes on the less likely that becomes.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 3, 2020 11:35:50 GMT
I think my main worry right now is that I'm not sure we've gone forward yet under PT. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have sacked Garner, it was the right decision. But so far we've still managed to get worse than we were under Garner IMO. I know it's only been a couple of weeks but we really needed a new manager boost and frankly, we haven't had it. Whilst we are slowly starting to see improvements, with games coming twice a week until Christmas I just don't see where/when we will be good enough to win games. I think that fact we haven't had a new manager boost is really a testament to this squad as well and their attitude. Apart from Nicholson, Hanlan, Jaakola & McCormack - I just don't see any effort or urgency in the team at all (from the team last night). Sadly it looks like all the recruitment work we've done over the past 12 months needs to be torn up in January, just to have a chance of staying up. Worrying times Sooner or later you have to stop blaming Garner, he’s not here anymore, and wonder whether the players were all they were cracked up to be.Garner was very poor in terms of in game management and as you say for that reason alone it was not the wrong move to get rid of him but equally he didn’t exist in a vacuum and some of his disastrous decision making with regard to squad make up was preventable if the people around him who should have been providing oversight for a complete managerial rookie had exercised some caution that was bleeding obvious to us fans. Okay, it’s hindsight fair enough, but it really does beggar belief that a guy with no experience of management was trusted enough to know what he was doing in putting together a squad that lacked experience strikers whilst being over-loaded with players in other positions. It’s noticeable that last night the normally powder puff and twee commentary team were even being somewhat critical and bemused at how we had ended up with an unbalanced squad. I think this is the stage I'm at right now tbh.
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Post by TAGas on Dec 3, 2020 11:36:42 GMT
January can't come soon enough, that is if we can spend money/player availability.
I think the defence is going to have to stay the way it is unfortunately, but I believe if the midfield can get a back bone and start being more aggressive that would surely take the pressure off the back 4.
I wasn't too bothered about Ollie Clarke going, but I wouldn't mind him back now!
Picking a centre forward in January will the hardest task as they are not cheap and available that often in the January window.
Going forward we should go to a 4-4-2 diamond imo.
Shame we only have 1 for striker.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Dec 3, 2020 11:37:57 GMT
Justin Blue, reactionary maybe ,drivel unfortunately not! watching Rovers at the moment is something which unfortunately it is in my blood and I can't stop it despite it not making pleasant viewing. I can only hope that we can get a lucky win soon and suddenly the errors will go out of players games and the few moments of class which is visible at times in these players become more regular. With a couple more attacking options this squad is capable of turning this around but the longer the present run goes on the less likely that becomes. Certainly agree with above comments . If our current form continues to window . It's likely the gap will be too big in any case. We need a bit of fortune like a win or two and the EFl to accept extra monies from cup to be added to budget . Otherwise ; we know what will happen in may ..
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Post by chewbacca on Dec 3, 2020 11:47:36 GMT
Signings are only good if they are better than the players they replace;
Ehmer & Baldwin vs Craig & Menayese Grant, McCormick & Westbrooke vs Ogogo, Sercombe & Clarke Hanlon & Daly vs Clarke-Harris & Nichols
Thus far I'm not sure in terms of performance not potential any bar Daly can be seen as an upgrade. It's slightly unfair on Hanlon to compare him to JCH but beyond that it's pretty stark. Most of these are players who a lot of people on this forum didn't really give a crap about moving on as well.
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 3, 2020 12:05:34 GMT
chewbacca, The problem is not all down to comparing new players v who they replaced- the problem is replacing them all at once.If you replaced Grant with Ollie Clarke you would not improve this team. if however you put JCH in THIS team you would improve it immediately because of the effect a natural goalscorer would have on the team and individual performances. I would go as far as to say that Clarke Harris would have adde4d 12-15 points on to our total so far- that is how important a goalscorer is when you find one and 1.5 million is no good whatsoever if you don't invest at least some of it in a replacement. The problem with our "Club blueprint" is to make money on players signed is fine BUT you must INVEST some of that money in QUALITY replacements that can perform now not in three years time!
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Post by bluebiro on Dec 3, 2020 12:06:07 GMT
Signings are only good if they are better than the players they replace; Ehmer & Baldwin vs Craig & Menayese Grant, McCormick & Westbrooke vs Ogogo, Sercombe & Clarke Hanlon & Daly vs Clarke-Harris & Nichols Thus far I'm not sure in terms of performance not potential any bar Daly can be seen as an upgrade. It's slightly unfair on Hanlon to compare him to JCH but beyond that it's pretty stark. Most of these are players who a lot of people on this forum didn't really give a crap about moving on as well. clarke and ogogo would destroy our current midfield.bring them back
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Post by Westy on Dec 3, 2020 12:10:42 GMT
Hang on a minute. Aren't we still in that 10 match grace given to Mr Garner? 10? Dont you mean 33? 😁 We haven't started them yet!
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Post by chewbacca on Dec 3, 2020 12:25:36 GMT
chewbacca, The problem is not all down to comparing new players v who they replaced- the problem is replacing them all at once.If you replaced Grant with Ollie Clarke you would not improve this team. if however you put JCH in THIS team you would improve it immediately because of the effect a natural goalscorer would have on the team and individual performances. I would go as far as to say that Clarke Harris would have adde4d 12-15 points on to our total so far- that is how important a goalscorer is when you find one and 1.5 million is no good whatsoever if you don't invest at least some of it in a replacement. The problem with our "Club blueprint" is to make money on players signed is fine BUT you must INVEST some of that money in QUALITY replacements that can perform now not in three years time! The blueprint is quite a funny one, we're currently in the midst of a pandemic and the arse has fallen out of the transfer market.
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Post by norton gasbottle on Dec 3, 2020 12:33:51 GMT
Justin Blue, reactionary maybe ,drivel unfortunately not! watching Rovers at the moment is something which unfortunately it is in my blood and I can't stop it despite it not making pleasant viewing. I can only hope that we can get a lucky win soon and suddenly the errors will go out of players games and the few moments of class which is visible at times in these players become more regular. With a couple more attacking options this squad is capable of turning this around but the longer the present run goes on the less likely that becomes. Did anyone actually see the match possession facts ,we more than matched Gillingham, two bad defensive lapses cost us, they were more robust than use,I thought Otzuma and Nicholson were outstanding, Hanlans first touch was appalling as usual, but he is on his own, our centre backs are our weakness, but I honestly think we are not a relegation side, and not far off a good side ,Upson is too slow,[perhaps his age is catching up] too much negativity on here,.. give Tisdale a chance to turn things around......... UTG, Ps I do agree we need a couple of goal scoring strikers.......
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