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Post by yattongas on Dec 16, 2020 9:07:57 GMT
I’m not a member but yes I’m pro European and against Brexit . There was a reason why I blocked you on Twitter because I don’t want to engage with sad little racists like yourself . Ha ha there you go again.....different opinions and views = racist.....when will you lefties ever learn? Funny that you would have been happy to see a proven anti Semitic party take charge of the country, but guess racism doesn’t count when it relates to Jewish people! I just call it as I see it ..... I’ve read plenty of your anti Muslim crap , your victimisation of the grenfell fire , your wrongful claims that Muslims were more likely to be involved in rape gangs and your claim that the silent majority were behind the Milwall booing . You won’t find any anti semantic posting from me anywhere. I’ve called it out on here and other places.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 9:10:27 GMT
“Fact checkers” are for people who believe someone who can set up a website and a logohave a monopoly on the truth. invoking a “fact check” is almost guaranteeing that you’re naïve. ”yes my dear, you’re for the ducking stool as the priest fact checked you as a witch” Omg. What was your previuos user name on here? Dearthofknowledge
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Post by Gassy on Dec 16, 2020 9:11:42 GMT
The same Sucharit Bhakdi who: - Had his youtube account terminated for breaking community guidelines? - Who's work has been cited by the Medical Tribune in Germany as unscientific by the country's experts? - Who had his youtube video fact checked to be wrong on multiple counts? - Who claimed a Covid vaccine would be pointless? - Who claimed the Covid virus poses no more threat than influenza? - Who had the University of Mainz distance itself from, stating that it does not support his views? Yes Pirate, I think we've seen enough of your "highly-acclaimed" scientists a few too many times. The same Professor Dr Bhakdi who was chair of Medical Microbiology at the University of Mainz, who was awarded ELEVEN prominent awards, including Aronson Prize for "pioneering work in the field of the complement system and bacterial toxins" and the Order of Merit of Rhineland-Palatinate, a civil order of merit of the German State which is presented for outstanding service to the state and people of Rhineland-Palatinate. The same Professor Dr Bhakdi who was Editor in Chief of Medical Microbiology and Immunology from 1990 to 2012. 'Fact' checkers have been censoring people throughout this, doesn't mean they are wrong. Facebook for example have used Dr Danielle Anderson who worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to 'fact' check. Couldn't possibly be any conflict of interest there. But it's all 'was', isn't it? The same University of Mainz who has distanced itself from him for his views. Germany's experts with Medical Tribune have literally called him out for being "unscientific". Face it, he may have been good in his day, but now he's a 74 year old crack pot who's lost it. All his previous achievements and institutions abandon him for his views, yet you're trying to use them as weight for his views. Do you not see how backwards that is? If you want to keep giving weight to the places he's been, then you have to accept what they say about him now. Remind me again pirate, what a Biologist knows about the economic effects of a lockdown?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 9:32:25 GMT
The same Sucharit Bhakdi who: - Had his youtube account terminated for breaking community guidelines? - Who's work has been cited by the Medical Tribune in Germany as unscientific by the country's experts? - Who had his youtube video fact checked to be wrong on multiple counts? - Who claimed a Covid vaccine would be pointless? - Who claimed the Covid virus poses no more threat than influenza? - Who had the University of Mainz distance itself from, stating that it does not support his views? Yes Pirate, I think we've seen enough of your "highly-acclaimed" scientists a few too many times. The same Professor Dr Bhakdi who was chair of Medical Microbiology at the University of Mainz, who was awarded ELEVEN prominent awards, including Aronson Prize for "pioneering work in the field of the complement system and bacterial toxins" and the Order of Merit of Rhineland-Palatinate, a civil order of merit of the German State which is presented for outstanding service to the state and people of Rhineland-Palatinate. The same Professor Dr Bhakdi who was Editor in Chief of Medical Microbiology and Immunology from 1990 to 2012. 'Fact' checkers have been censoring people throughout this, doesn't mean they are wrong. Facebook for example have used Dr Danielle Anderson who worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to 'fact' check. Couldn't possibly be any conflict of interest there. Dr. Joseph Mengele probably had some credentials too didn't he? Dr. Shipman a fantastic physician?
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Post by althepirate on Dec 16, 2020 9:38:52 GMT
I’m not a member but yes I’m pro European and against Brexit . There was a reason why I blocked you on Twitter because I don’t want to engage with sad little racists like yourself . Ha ha there you go again.....different opinions and views = racist.....when will you lefties ever learn? Funny that you would have been happy to see a proven anti Semitic party take charge of the country, but guess racism doesn’t count when it relates to Jewish people! I get the feeling we are racists if we don't favour black people. Sorry I think of everyone as equal, if that makes me a racist that's great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 9:39:53 GMT
The same Professor Dr Bhakdi who was chair of Medical Microbiology at the University of Mainz, who was awarded ELEVEN prominent awards, including Aronson Prize for "pioneering work in the field of the complement system and bacterial toxins" and the Order of Merit of Rhineland-Palatinate, a civil order of merit of the German State which is presented for outstanding service to the state and people of Rhineland-Palatinate. The same Professor Dr Bhakdi who was Editor in Chief of Medical Microbiology and Immunology from 1990 to 2012. 'Fact' checkers have been censoring people throughout this, doesn't mean they are wrong. Facebook for example have used Dr Danielle Anderson who worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to 'fact' check. Couldn't possibly be any conflict of interest there. But it's all 'was', isn't it? The same University of Mainz who has distanced itself from him for his views. Germany's experts with Medical Tribune have literally called him out for being "unscientific". Face it, he may have been good in his day, but now he's a 74 year old crack pot who's lost it. All his previous achievements and institutions abandon him for his views, yet you're trying to use them as weight for his views. Do you not see how backwards that is? If you want to keep giving weight to the places he's been, then you have to accept what they say about him now. Remind me again pirate, what a Biologist knows about the economic effects of a lockdown? Its all a bit sad this. There is a genuine debate to be had over Economic Impact Vs Morbidity and Health Service Provision impacts. Shouting lefty (again, yawn) and Pirate it would be much more worthwhile if you stated your actual opinion, rather than just a relentless stream of links to YouTube warriors.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 9:40:51 GMT
Ha ha there you go again.....different opinions and views = racist.....when will you lefties ever learn? Funny that you would have been happy to see a proven anti Semitic party take charge of the country, but guess racism doesn’t count when it relates to Jewish people! I get the feeling we are racists if we don't favour black people. Sorry I think of everyone as equal, if that makes me a racist that's great. You know Al, in your heart, that this is not true.
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Post by althepirate on Dec 16, 2020 9:47:14 GMT
I get the feeling we are racists if we don't favour black people. Sorry I think of everyone as equal, if that makes me a racist that's great. You know Al, in your heart, that this is not true. I hope it isn't Oldie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 9:51:31 GMT
You know Al, in your heart, that this is not true. I hope it isn't Oldie. Not my experience Al,
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Post by althepirate on Dec 16, 2020 9:55:14 GMT
I just think by favouring someone we treat them as inferior. So giving someone a job because they are black we are ignoring their talent. Of course the opposite is racism.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 9:58:52 GMT
Ha ha there you go again.....different opinions and views = racist.....when will you lefties ever learn? Funny that you would have been happy to see a proven anti Semitic party take charge of the country, but guess racism doesn’t count when it relates to Jewish people! I get the feeling we are racists if we don't favour black people. Sorry I think of everyone as equal, if that makes me a racist that's great. Yeah you might think of every one as equal or just simply not discriminate, which is great and good on you Al. Unfortunately there is an element of society that doesn't like anyone different to them, and actively discriminate. Are you saying you have never heard anyone say anything derogatory against another just because of their race?
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Post by pirate on Dec 16, 2020 10:14:20 GMT
The same Professor Dr Bhakdi who was chair of Medical Microbiology at the University of Mainz, who was awarded ELEVEN prominent awards, including Aronson Prize for "pioneering work in the field of the complement system and bacterial toxins" and the Order of Merit of Rhineland-Palatinate, a civil order of merit of the German State which is presented for outstanding service to the state and people of Rhineland-Palatinate. The same Professor Dr Bhakdi who was Editor in Chief of Medical Microbiology and Immunology from 1990 to 2012. 'Fact' checkers have been censoring people throughout this, doesn't mean they are wrong. Facebook for example have used Dr Danielle Anderson who worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology to 'fact' check. Couldn't possibly be any conflict of interest there. But it's all 'was', isn't it? The same University of Mainz who has distanced itself from him for his views. Germany's experts with Medical Tribune have literally called him out for being "unscientific". Face it, he may have been good in his day, but now he's a 74 year old crack pot who's lost it. All his previous achievements and institutions abandon him for his views, yet you're trying to use them as weight for his views. Do you not see how backwards that is? If you want to keep giving weight to the places he's been, then you have to accept what they say about him now. Remind me again pirate, what a Biologist knows about the economic effects of a lockdown? You can say all that regarding Germany's experts with Medical Tribune calling him out for being "unscientific" (having obviously just read his Wikipedia page), but I haven't seen any evidence for that and none was provided in the article. "In October 2020 the University of Mainz issued a statement to the effect that it does not support Bhakdi's views" say wiki, presumably you have read that statement and can provide a link?
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Post by pirate on Dec 16, 2020 10:20:55 GMT
But it's all 'was', isn't it? The same University of Mainz who has distanced itself from him for his views. Germany's experts with Medical Tribune have literally called him out for being "unscientific". Face it, he may have been good in his day, but now he's a 74 year old crack pot who's lost it. All his previous achievements and institutions abandon him for his views, yet you're trying to use them as weight for his views. Do you not see how backwards that is? If you want to keep giving weight to the places he's been, then you have to accept what they say about him now. Remind me again pirate, what a Biologist knows about the economic effects of a lockdown? Its all a bit sad this. There is a genuine debate to be had over Economic Impact Vs Morbidity and Health Service Provision impacts. Shouting lefty (again, yawn) and Pirate it would be much more worthwhile if you stated your actual opinion, rather than just a relentless stream of links to YouTube warriors. I've stated my opinion numerous times. The lockdowns have been disproportionate and likely to cause more harm than the virus itself. Isolate people with symptoms and protect the vulnerable and at risk groups.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 16, 2020 10:33:02 GMT
But it's all 'was', isn't it? The same University of Mainz who has distanced itself from him for his views. Germany's experts with Medical Tribune have literally called him out for being "unscientific". Face it, he may have been good in his day, but now he's a 74 year old crack pot who's lost it. All his previous achievements and institutions abandon him for his views, yet you're trying to use them as weight for his views. Do you not see how backwards that is? If you want to keep giving weight to the places he's been, then you have to accept what they say about him now. Remind me again pirate, what a Biologist knows about the economic effects of a lockdown? You can say all that regarding Germany's experts with Medical Tribune calling him out for being "unscientific" (having obviously just read his Wikipedia page), but I haven't seen any evidence for that and none was provided in the article. "In October 2020 the University of Mainz issued a statement to the effect that it does not support Bhakdi's views" say wiki, presumably you have read that statement and can provide a link? There is a link (in German) on the Wiki page. www.medical-tribune.de/meinung-und-dialog/artikel/wenn-aerzte-von-der-coronakrise-als-einer-kriminellen-inszenierung-sprechen/
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 10:48:32 GMT
Its all a bit sad this. There is a genuine debate to be had over Economic Impact Vs Morbidity and Health Service Provision impacts. Shouting lefty (again, yawn) and Pirate it would be much more worthwhile if you stated your actual opinion, rather than just a relentless stream of links to YouTube warriors. I've stated my opinion numerous times. The lockdowns have been disproportionate and likely to cause more harm than the virus itself. Isolate people with symptoms and protect the vulnerable and at risk groups. Can you name a country that has done that. Kept the country open for business and managed the virus well.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 16, 2020 10:57:18 GMT
But it's all 'was', isn't it? The same University of Mainz who has distanced itself from him for his views. Germany's experts with Medical Tribune have literally called him out for being "unscientific". Face it, he may have been good in his day, but now he's a 74 year old crack pot who's lost it. All his previous achievements and institutions abandon him for his views, yet you're trying to use them as weight for his views. Do you not see how backwards that is? If you want to keep giving weight to the places he's been, then you have to accept what they say about him now. Remind me again pirate, what a Biologist knows about the economic effects of a lockdown? You can say all that regarding Germany's experts with Medical Tribune calling him out for being "unscientific" (having obviously just read his Wikipedia page), but I haven't seen any evidence for that and none was provided in the article. "In October 2020 the University of Mainz issued a statement to the effect that it does not support Bhakdi's views" say wiki, presumably you have read that statement and can provide a link? You can say all what? Sorry I don't understand that point. Yes, I read the wiki page and in 3 minutes was able to show up your retired unscientific biologist. Yes is have read the statement, you can read it in German here: www.unimedizin-mainz.de/medizinische-mikrobiologie-und-hygiene/startseite/meldungsarchiv.htmlI'll translate for you: You forgot to remind me what a biologist knows about the economic effects of a lockdown. Any ideas?
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Post by pirate on Dec 16, 2020 11:14:11 GMT
I read that previously and at no point does it provide any evidence to refute Professor Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi.
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Post by pirate on Dec 16, 2020 11:21:15 GMT
You can say all that regarding Germany's experts with Medical Tribune calling him out for being "unscientific" (having obviously just read his Wikipedia page), but I haven't seen any evidence for that and none was provided in the article. "In October 2020 the University of Mainz issued a statement to the effect that it does not support Bhakdi's views" say wiki, presumably you have read that statement and can provide a link? You can say all what? Sorry I don't understand that point. Yes, I read the wiki page and in 3 minutes was able to show up your retired unscientific biologist. Yes is have read the statement, you can read it in German here: www.unimedizin-mainz.de/medizinische-mikrobiologie-und-hygiene/startseite/meldungsarchiv.htmlI'll translate for you: You forgot to remind me what a biologist knows about the economic effects of a lockdown. Any ideas? They have a difference of opinion. That happens. Again, no evidence is provided to refute Professor Bhakdi. You don't need to be an economist to have an opinion on the economic effects of a lockdown. Its fairly obvious and we are now seeing that 618,000 job losses and official forecasts predicting "the biggest economic decline in 300 years."
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Post by Gassy on Dec 16, 2020 11:33:28 GMT
They have a difference of opinion. That happens. Again, no evidence is provided to refute Professor Bhakdi. You don't need to be an economist to have an opinion on the economic effects of a lockdown. Its fairly obvious and we are now seeing that 618,000 job losses and official forecasts predicting "the biggest economic decline in 300 years." But you seem too hold this University of such high stature, but now it goes against your rhetoric - it's a difference of opinion? Ok let's look at it from a different direction, the quote you pulled from Bhakdi, can you please show me where you pulled it from? We'll see if he's giving scientific reasoning for the University of Mainz to shoot down. Because as far as I see it, where is Bhakdi's scientific evidence that a lockdown is "grotesque, absurd and very dangerous"? There is literature everywhere of how a lock down prevents a disease from spreading. Are you really questioning that? You're quoting a retired Covid conspiracy theorist who has shown no scientific evidence of his claims and presenting them as fact. You did the same with your other scientist a few weeks ago in the Pfizer thread too. Yes a lockdown will have economic effects, no one is saying it wouldn't. It's about finding a balance, your "scientists" that you're quoting aren't suggesting finding something in the middle, they're suggesting Covid is a hoax, the numbers aren't real, the vaccine won't make a difference and Covid is no worse than the flu. Where is the scientific evidence to back up any of those claims? I asked earlier in the thread what would happen if we lost 1% of the British population in a year. Well funnily enough, that would be roughly the amount of job losses we've seen. Would it be better for people to lose jobs and be put on furlough, or die? What about next year? And the year after?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 16, 2020 11:40:34 GMT
They have a difference of opinion. That happens. Again, no evidence is provided to refute Professor Bhakdi. You don't need to be an economist to have an opinion on the economic effects of a lockdown. Its fairly obvious and we are now seeing that 618,000 job losses and official forecasts predicting "the biggest economic decline in 300 years." Okay, two questions; If we went down that road, what difference would it make to deaths, unemployment and the economy? Also, bearing in mind the natural reluctance of governments (especially ours) to do this, why have we not done so?
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