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Post by socrates on Jan 20, 2021 10:17:38 GMT
Tony Craig as our defensive coach and someone like Stuart Sinclair in the background staff too to motivate the players and get them fired up is what we need.
We started the game like it was a friendly last night and could have been more than 2-0 down before we really started playing.
I like Tisdale he’s clearly a nice bloke but I am worried that after nice Ben and all the good that he did perhaps we need a tough no nonsense character running this squad.
Tisdale has said in interviews that he’s not a shouter and he’s a quieter more thoughtful kind of manager and with the apparent lack of tough leaders on the pitch I think there’s a void of mental toughness throughout and that along with our inability to defend properly and in an organised manner are two things that are really costing us.
Obviously at the other end a lack of fit attacking players is costing us but with hopefully otzumer and Sammy N to come back we will score quite a few but if we need 3 or 4 every game to get something then we’ll be relegated.
Good teams are built from the back and have a toughness about them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 10:42:55 GMT
Tony Craig as our defensive coach and someone like Stuart Sinclair in the background staff too to motivate the players and get them fired up is what we need. We started the game like it was a friendly last night and could have been more than 2-0 down before we really started playing. I like Tisdale he’s clearly a nice bloke but I am worried that after nice Ben and all the good that he did perhaps we need a tough no nonsense character running this squad. Tisdale has said in interviews that he’s not a shouter and he’s a quieter more thoughtful kind of manager and with the apparent lack of tough leaders on the pitch I think there’s a void of mental toughness throughout and that along with our inability to defend properly and in an organised manner are two things that are really costing us. Obviously at the other end a lack of fit attacking players is costing us but with hopefully otzumer and Sammy N to come back we will score quite a few but if we need 3 or 4 every game to get something then we’ll be relegated. Good teams are built from the back and have a toughness about them. It was crying out for Coughlan at half time last night. With Coughlan on the bench I really doubt we would have given a soft goal away so soon after getting (somewhat miraculously) ourselves back into the game. |
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Post by Raj Gas on Jan 20, 2021 10:49:44 GMT
I see Danny Butterfield worked as a defensive coach with PT before, I liked the bit about being "make-shift" he would be ideal!!
Daniel Paul Butterfield is an English former professional footballer and coach. Butterfield was born in Boston, Lincolnshire and played between 1997 and 2016 as a right back, and make-shift midfielder and centre back.
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Jan 20, 2021 10:53:18 GMT
Given the comments about Ehmer as a wing-back, it is surprising to me how the stats show we attacked down the right more than the left |
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 20, 2021 10:56:52 GMT
Given the comments about Ehmer as a wing-back, it is surprising to me how the stats show we attacked down the right more than the left Me too mate. In my thoughts pre match I mentioned it would have been sensible to attack the new RB they have after Perry Ng got sold. That, and the fact the Leahy should make a better Wingback than Ehmer... but what do I know lol. |
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Post by TAGas on Jan 20, 2021 10:57:52 GMT
Tony Craig as our defensive coach and someone like Stuart Sinclair in the background staff too to motivate the players and get them fired up is what we need. We started the game like it was a friendly last night and could have been more than 2-0 down before we really started playing. I like Tisdale he’s clearly a nice bloke but I am worried that after nice Ben and all the good that he did perhaps we need a tough no nonsense character running this squad. Tisdale has said in interviews that he’s not a shouter and he’s a quieter more thoughtful kind of manager and with the apparent lack of tough leaders on the pitch I think there’s a void of mental toughness throughout and that along with our inability to defend properly and in an organised manner are two things that are really costing us. Obviously at the other end a lack of fit attacking players is costing us but with hopefully otzumer and Sammy N to come back we will score quite a few but if we need 3 or 4 every game to get something then we’ll be relegated. Good teams are built from the back and have a toughness about them. I agree with you about Tis. He's not going to be tough enough on them. It's not even just about giving them the hair dryer treatment The back 5 last night were terrible but he won't drop Baldwin who will probably be in the starting line up Saturday. Little - Kilgour - Ehmer - Leahy That's what the back 4 should be Saturday That way we have players playing in their correct positions at least that way we know if its goes wrong it just shows what we have isn't good enough, I just don't see the point playing defenders out of position |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 20, 2021 11:09:04 GMT
The funny thing is I actually thought the system itself showed some promise, as some of our attacking play was good & there was some nice passive and movement - it was just the overly-negative choice of players in the system that annoyed me.
But I wouldn’t be against seeing us play 352/343 again at the weekend if we have Rodman & Koiki as the wingbacks and one of Oztumer/Barrett in place of Upson to make us more attacking.
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Post by xenongas on Jan 20, 2021 11:17:53 GMT
Tony Craig as our defensive coach and someone like Stuart Sinclair in the background staff too to motivate the players and get them fired up is what we need. We started the game like it was a friendly last night and could have been more than 2-0 down before we really started playing. I like Tisdale he’s clearly a nice bloke but I am worried that after nice Ben and all the good that he did perhaps we need a tough no nonsense character running this squad. Tisdale has said in interviews that he’s not a shouter and he’s a quieter more thoughtful kind of manager and with the apparent lack of tough leaders on the pitch I think there’s a void of mental toughness throughout and that along with our inability to defend properly and in an organised manner are two things that are really costing us. Obviously at the other end a lack of fit attacking players is costing us but with hopefully otzumer and Sammy N to come back we will score quite a few but if we need 3 or 4 every game to get something then we’ll be relegated. Good teams are built from the back and have a toughness about them. I completely agree with Craig and Sinclair. I think there is a chance of Sinclair coming back after he finishes playing but it was right for him to leave when he did (just on a playing point of view). Letting Craig go was imo one of BG's biggest mistakes and he's close enough to the end of his playing career that a move to coaching within the club was realistic a la Mildenhall and Mansell.
What do you equate "mental toughness" with? Because it could be argued coming back from 2-0 at half time was mentally tough. I don't think the volume of your voice always equates to how strong a leader you are so I think it oversimplifies things to say a manager that screams at players instills "mental toughness". Along the same lines, I don't think you can lump BG and Tisdale into the same bracket just because they aren't shouters. I get the feeling that PT is much more pragmatic than BG which makes it a more business like operation and presumeably less "nice". Tisdale must know by now who the leaders in the changing room are and is hopefully pushing them to take responsibility on the pitch.
You're bang on that good teams are built from the back and our back 5 are not settled. I'm not sure either manager this season has a concrete go to defensive line up in mind. Even though Day has done a job since coming in, I'm sure losing the consitency of Jaakola and all his qualities has weakened the communication back there. Going all the way back to the first point, I think if we had Jaakola and Craig in the team right now having played with eachother over a long period we would be a lot more organised and stronger as a unit.
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Post by brfc on Jan 20, 2021 11:31:43 GMT
If we are playing with wing backs on sat there's no excuse not to have tutonda in the squad as he's a wing back
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jan 20, 2021 11:41:12 GMT
I thought we had deserted the wing back formation on the basis that none of our wing backs are particularly good at defending. Tutonda has many assets (eg pace and skill) but defending is not one of them. If he is played as a wing back alongside our rather pedestrian three central defenders rest assured that the opposition will target that flank.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 11:44:51 GMT
Tony Craig as our defensive coach and someone like Stuart Sinclair in the background staff too to motivate the players and get them fired up is what we need. We started the game like it was a friendly last night and could have been more than 2-0 down before we really started playing. I like Tisdale he’s clearly a nice bloke but I am worried that after nice Ben and all the good that he did perhaps we need a tough no nonsense character running this squad. Tisdale has said in interviews that he’s not a shouter and he’s a quieter more thoughtful kind of manager and with the apparent lack of tough leaders on the pitch I think there’s a void of mental toughness throughout and that along with our inability to defend properly and in an organised manner are two things that are really costing us. Obviously at the other end a lack of fit attacking players is costing us but with hopefully otzumer and Sammy N to come back we will score quite a few but if we need 3 or 4 every game to get something then we’ll be relegated. Good teams are built from the back and have a toughness about them. It was crying out for Coughlan at half time last night. With Coughlan on the bench I really doubt we would have given a soft goal away so soon after getting (somewhat miraculously) ourselves back into the game. Dare i say we probably wouldn't have conceded at all! |
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Post by Quarters on Jan 20, 2021 11:53:29 GMT
The funny thing is I actually thought the system itself showed some promise, as some of our attacking play was good & there was some nice passive and movement - it was just the overly-negative choice of players in the system that annoyed me. But I wouldn’t be against seeing us play 352/343 again at the weekend if we have Rodman & Koiki as the wingbacks and one of Oztumer/Barrett in place of Upson to make us more attacking. Why, because Rodman and Koiki were so good when they came on? Only time I noticed Rodman was when he gave the ball away giving them a chance. |
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Post by hardingegas on Jan 20, 2021 12:20:39 GMT
I think we need to sort out the back four and get them playing as a unit for the next 3 to 4 games.
Currently, the best would be Ehmer, Kilgour, Harries, Leahy. I'd certainly give Baldwin a break unless his problem is he's uncomfortable at LCB.
The other option would be Little, Kilgour, Ehmer, Leahy. We need to see if Little is match fit, as he might be the solution at RB, but have Hare on the bench if needed.
The squad is big enough to have players for each position without having to play someone out of position.
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Post by garystash on Jan 20, 2021 12:22:22 GMT
FWIW, I thought some of our play was very nice. We played it out of defence on the deck, and got the ball into Hanlan's feet.
We also pressed them well high up the pitch. Crewe are supposed to be a good footballing side, and even their commentator said they were struggling to get into their usual stride.
Unfortunately we were a bit lacking in both boxes. However with Nicholson and/or Otzumer I think we would've created more clear-cut chances.
Let's not forget, Crewe are on a good run. Since our covid outbreak we are not. Winning and Losing are habits and last night we just saw the evidence of that.
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Post by GasAttacK on Jan 20, 2021 12:26:05 GMT
I thought we played some of the best football we've seen since the Wimbledon game last night but were undone by some very poor defending.
I was pleasantly surprised by much of our play and although the final ball or shot let us down, I felt we carried a threat until Hanlan went off.
Had Nicholson and / or Ozthumer been playing last night I think we could have turned some more of those promising situations into goals.
The defence is a concern however and combined with our lack of striking options there is no doubt we face a real battle to stay up.
IF we can sign a decent partner for Hanlan and a right back so Ehmer can play alongside Kilgour in a back 4 then I'm still hopeful we'll have just enough to avoid the drop.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 20, 2021 12:27:45 GMT
The funny thing is I actually thought the system itself showed some promise, as some of our attacking play was good & there was some nice passive and movement - it was just the overly-negative choice of players in the system that annoyed me. But I wouldn’t be against seeing us play 352/343 again at the weekend if we have Rodman & Koiki as the wingbacks and one of Oztumer/Barrett in place of Upson to make us more attacking. Why, because Rodman and Koiki were so good when they came on? Only time I noticed Rodman was when he gave the ball away giving them a chance. Because they both are more naturally attacking players and have more pace than Ehmer & Leahy - an attribute we sorely lack down the wings (and in our attack in general with no Nicholson). I thought Koiki looked lively when he came on & put in some dangerous crosses. Rodman had 7 touches after coming on, so not sure he could have done too much to impress when he barely saw the ball. If he does go for a 3 at the back again, I’d like to see those two at wingbacks with an Ehmer/Kilgour/Harries back 3. It’s either a back 3 or the diamond because we have no out-and-out wingers to play 442/4231 etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 12:49:08 GMT
FWIW, I thought some of our play was very nice. We played it out of defence on the deck, and got the ball into Hanlan's feet. We also pressed them well high up the pitch. Crewe are supposed to be a good footballing side, and even their commentator said they were struggling to get into their usual stride. Unfortunately we were a bit lacking in both boxes. However with Nicholson and/or Otzumer I think we would've created more clear-cut chances. Let's not forget, Crewe are on a good run. Since our covid outbreak we are not. Winning and Losing are habits and last night we just saw the evidence of that. Interestingly the last time Crewe lost in the league was two months ago. |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 20, 2021 12:59:12 GMT
For me the main difference between the two sides was Omar Beckles, completely dominated Hanlan. What I'd do for Beckles alongside Alfie.
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Post by brfc on Jan 20, 2021 13:30:08 GMT
For me the main difference between the two sides was Omar Beckles, completely dominated Hanlan. What I'd do for Beckles alongside Alfie. I saw somewhere in the summer that beckles was a back up if we don't sign baldwin/ehmer and he was a free agent in the summer as well. |
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 20, 2021 13:44:40 GMT
Lots of little moaners again! Had Nicholson and oztumer played tonight ,we would have won tonight. Thought we played some decent football at times. The trouble is, they weren’t available. Our squad is so badly assembled. Oztumer came here with a massive reputation and we all had high hopes of him, but if I’m honest I can’t tell you a game where he’s been anything other than alright. For the most part he’s been ineffective. Nicholson has probably missed as many games as he’s played. oztumer had a decent game at Wimbledon, then got injured, so was unlucky there, I personally think if he had a decent run in the team, would be better than anything else we’ve got, to play as a 10. |
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