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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 23, 2021 20:21:02 GMT
What we needed when we sacked nice and gentle Garner was a tough no nonsense manager in the Coughlan / Warnock mould but we went with nice and gentle Tisdale. I’ve got a feeling Wael likes his managers to be of a similar mould character wise as himself. Most of the best managers in British football history have been tough no nonsense characters, Fergie , clough , Jose etc are not likeable characters but the players don’t have to like their manager they need to respect him and it helps a bit if they’re a bit scared of him too. I don’t see Tisdale keeping us up and I’m afraid I think we’ll go down if we stick with him and have a better chance of staying up if we went for perhaps Tony Craig as player manager until the end of the season. To be fair that wouldn’t garauntee staying up but I think we’d have at least a fighting chance. Sad to say I think Wael likes yes men, especially when looking at the direction we have gone in after a no bullshit character like Coughlan. It will be interesting to see what happens with Widdrington after the best summer of recruitment ever. I suspect his job is safe regardless and probably Tisdale’s too. A nice soft underbelly at the club where no-one challenges the hard work to undo everything that DC did for us. Coughlan fed us the biggest load of bullshit ever when he left. Then went and failed miserably at Mansfield despite having a pretty nice budget to play with. And as much as I love DC he undid a lot of his own good work with some appalling signings on big contracts. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 23, 2021 20:28:51 GMT
Tisdale has selected defensively recently in order to obtain a point from each game which has failed leaving us in a perilous position and with the vast number of players and a wage bill largely being funded by Wael, some supporters are calling for a 20 goal a season signing. Please get real as the economics of the madhouse appears to be in charge and the elephant in the room, which most are ignoring is gate income being zero. Tisdale in all likelihood will set up defensively again at Peterborough with our customary 4 goal thumping on the cards. He knows that our only hope lies with the return of Nicholson, Oz and Daly and revert to a back 4. Even then those 3 will be rusty with no certainty that they will regain their previous form. The current team selections and substitutions are bizarre and Tisdale seems to have lost the plot along with Widdrington Starnes and Wael. Who on earth in the current economic climate can accommodate such a huge number of players and staff and survive? “He knows that our only hope is the return of Otzumer and Nicholson “ Hang on a minute but that’s rubbish. Just because those two are unavailable it doesn’t automatically mean we can’t pick up points and we have to go in to every game playing 541 and hope for a point but probably get beaten. And If he is thinking like that then I want him gone tomorrow and I think most Gasheads would too. We could have gone 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 today or 3-4-3 we have a big squad. What we are lacking more than anything is a manager to fire up the bunch of weakling players that we’ve got and play a football match to win and not set up like an underdog in a cup tie. Even an underdog in a cup tie plays with bottle and fight and this last couple of weeks it’s looked to me we’ve got very little of that at management level or pitch level. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 20:31:31 GMT
Sad to say I think Wael likes yes men, especially when looking at the direction we have gone in after a no bullshit character like Coughlan. It will be interesting to see what happens with Widdrington after the best summer of recruitment ever. I suspect his job is safe regardless and probably Tisdale’s too. A nice soft underbelly at the club where no-one challenges the hard work to undo everything that DC did for us. Coughlan fed us the biggest load of bullshit ever when he left. Then went and failed miserably at Mansfield despite having a pretty nice budget to play with. And as much as I love DC he undid a lot of his own good work with some appalling signings on big contracts. I won’t argue with that, but the man almost single handedly resurrected this club and got it back where it should be. We know, bitterly well, how hard it is to be in this division, especially how hard it is to get promoted to it, and it feels like we’ve really taken our position for granted with the way we’ve behaved since Coughlan drooped that bombshell on us. Appointing Garner, Widdrington smugly telling us it’s the best squad since promotion when everyone with eyes could see that both DC and Coughlan’s teams would eat this lot for breakfast. Appointing Tisdale. It’s all very Poundland. Perhaps I’m being unfair actually. If we don’t have the money to compete at this level then we don’t have it, that is no-one’s fault. We certainly don’t have the footballing nous at this club to make up for the lack of money, in the same way that Accrington are able to make up for a lack of cash through football knowledge. We’re just tinpot Rovers, same as we’ve always been bar a few brief periods when we appointed managers who had a bit of talent about them. |
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Post by tanned on Jan 23, 2021 20:38:53 GMT
What do we do in training? Surely the coaches delegate someone to sort the back line out. How can Hanlon escort Taylor in for the first goal. Time and time again the back line was in disarray. We hardly won a ball that was knocked up to the front. In the first half Hanlon was unable to hold the ball up, lay off and turn. Surely as a lone frontman that was his job. The ball was coming back far to quickly every time. I agree Hanlon would be a better player with a strong centre forward that he was able to run off. We improved later in the second half when there was two up front but ability and confidence was sadly lacking. Worrying times.
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Post by socrates on Jan 23, 2021 20:40:49 GMT
Coughlan fed us the biggest load of bullshit ever when he left. Then went and failed miserably at Mansfield despite having a pretty nice budget to play with. And as much as I love DC he undid a lot of his own good work with some appalling signings on big contracts. I won’t argue with that, but the man almost single handedly resurrected this club and got it back where it should be. We know, bitterly well, how hard it is to be in this division, especially how hard it is to get promoted to it, and it feels like we’ve really taken our position for granted with the way we’ve behaved since Coughlan drooped that bombshell on us. Appointing Garner, Widdrington smugly telling us it’s the best squad since promotion when everyone with eyes could see that both DC and Coughlan’s teams would eat this lot for breakfast. Appointing Tisdale. It’s all very Poundland. Perhaps I’m being unfair actually. If we don’t have the money to compete at this level then we don’t have it, that is no-one’s fault. We certainly don’t have the footballing nous at this club to make up for the lack of money, in the same way that Accrington are able to make up for a lack of cash through football knowledge. We’re just tinpot Rovers, same as we’ve always been bar a few brief periods when we appointed managers who had a bit of talent about them. I think we have got the money to compete at this level, our squads massive. I think that as much as I like Wael he got Garners appointment very wrong and didn’t sign a tough manager at that point and signed Tisdale who is a bit like an older version of Garner. Nobody’s perfect I mean I love the fact that he bought our club just as it was about to go under under our last owner who was probably the worst in our history. He’s done our ground up a bit and built a new training ground and so far at least we’ve won a promotion and haven’t been relegated so he’s certainly done a hell of a lot more good than bad but as I said in another thread he seems to like employing nice people and they’re not necessarily the right people. The appointment of Garner and now Tisdale and looking at how different they are to Coughlan has really got me wondering if the reason Coughlan left so suddenly is that he and Wael had an argument and something was said that couldn’t be put right and that was that. Coughlan certainly seemed to be enjoying it and why wouldn’t he we were flying. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 23, 2021 20:45:58 GMT
Now watching the Cheltenham / Man City game , now I know it’s a cup game but it’s great to see a lower team playing with some commitment and a will to compete for every ball, nothing like the shambles I watched earlier, we were embarrassing Cheltenham are playing very well. Well organised, confident, determined and positive, everything we are not right now. Same as any top of the table team, we were a year ago, we were even winning games at the likes of Ipswich. Then Wael choose to rip at all up and start again for "Project Garner". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 21:11:23 GMT
Cheltenham are playing very well. Well organised, confident, determined and positive, everything we are not right now. Same as any top of the table team, we were a year ago, we were even winning games at the likes of Ipswich. Then Wael choose to rip at all up and start again for "Project Garner". Just a great pity that when GC walked out on us Wael remembered a bloke called Ben Garner who he had read about on this forum after a bloke called Pirate had spent the best part of a year mentioning him on here and telling us all he was the best thing since sliced bread. I don't think I need to tell you what has happened since then. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 23, 2021 21:35:10 GMT
Same as any top of the table team, we were a year ago, we were even winning games at the likes of Ipswich. Then Wael choose to rip at all up and start again for "Project Garner". Just a great pity that when GC walked out on us Wael remembered a bloke called Ben Garner who he had read about on this forum after a bloke called Pirate had spent the best part of a year mentioning him on here and telling us all he was the best thing since sliced bread. I don't think I need to tell you what has happened since then. In pirate defence he held his hands up after a while. You still had others defending him a year after proving how sh** he is as a manager! |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 23, 2021 21:51:36 GMT
Cheltenham are playing very well. Well organised, confident, determined and positive, everything we are not right now. Same as any top of the table team, we were a year ago, we were even winning games at the likes of Ipswich. Then Wael choose to rip at all up and start again for "Project Garner". Rip up what? We were getting battered every week yet somehow getting results. It's hardly like we were playing free flowing football and sweeping aside everyone we played. We should have been 5-0 down to an absolute shambles of a Southend side yet we managed to win that game as they were absolutely terrible. There's no way that GC's tenure was sustainable. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 23, 2021 21:54:49 GMT
Same as any top of the table team, we were a year ago, we were even winning games at the likes of Ipswich. Then Wael choose to rip at all up and start again for "Project Garner". Just a great pity that when GC walked out on us Wael remembered a bloke called Ben Garner who he had read about on this forum after a bloke called Pirate had spent the best part of a year mentioning him on here and telling us all he was the best thing since sliced bread. I don't think I need to tell you what has happened since then. I’m sure you’re probably joking and all, but I have to say this is getting really boring now. Can we not just drop it? |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 23, 2021 21:57:11 GMT
Same as any top of the table team, we were a year ago, we were even winning games at the likes of Ipswich. Then Wael choose to rip at all up and start again for "Project Garner". Rip up what? We were getting battered every week yet somehow getting results. It's hardly like we were playing free flowing football and sweeping aside everyone we played. We should have been 5-0 down to an absolute shambles of a Southend side yet we managed to win that game as they were absolutely terrible. There's no way that GC's tenure was sustainable. Battered every week? Whilst we weren’t playing free flowing football, we certainly weren’t getting battered every week. Talk about exaggeration! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 23, 2021 21:58:54 GMT
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 23, 2021 22:03:55 GMT
Rip up what? We were getting battered every week yet somehow getting results. It's hardly like we were playing free flowing football and sweeping aside everyone we played. We should have been 5-0 down to an absolute shambles of a Southend side yet we managed to win that game as they were absolutely terrible. There's no way that GC's tenure was sustainable. Battered every week? Whilst we weren’t playing free flowing football, we certainly weren’t getting battered every week. Talk about exaggeration! We were hardly tearing teams apart were we? It's getting a bit boring this longing for GC seeing as he left us. The football was turgid at best, but it was effective. However we regularly had our backs to the wall but had a striker in JCH who got us through games time and again. |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 23, 2021 22:04:30 GMT
Was he not backed at Mansfield? That worked out well. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 23, 2021 22:27:27 GMT
Battered every week? Whilst we weren’t playing free flowing football, we certainly weren’t getting battered every week. Talk about exaggeration! We were hardly tearing teams apart were we? It's getting a bit boring this longing for GC seeing as he left us. The football was turgid at best, but it was effective. However we regularly had our backs to the wall but had a striker in JCH who got us through games time and again. Why, did I suggest to you that we were tearing teams apart? Seems like you’re arguing with a point that doesn’t exist. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 22:31:42 GMT
Same as any top of the table team, we were a year ago, we were even winning games at the likes of Ipswich. Then Wael choose to rip at all up and start again for "Project Garner". Rip up what? We were getting battered every week yet somehow getting results. It's hardly like we were playing free flowing football and sweeping aside everyone we played. We should have been 5-0 down to an absolute shambles of a Southend side yet we managed to win that game as they were absolutely terrible. There's no way that GC's tenure was sustainable. That sounds rather similar to Garner’s claims that we were the better side because we had more possession. In fact, it’s become Gaschat fact that we would have finished mid table if Coughlan hadn’t left 😂 |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 23, 2021 22:36:20 GMT
Rip up what? We were getting battered every week yet somehow getting results. It's hardly like we were playing free flowing football and sweeping aside everyone we played. We should have been 5-0 down to an absolute shambles of a Southend side yet we managed to win that game as they were absolutely terrible. There's no way that GC's tenure was sustainable. That sounds rather similar to Garner’s claims that we were the better side because we had more possession. In fact, it’s become Gaschat fact that we would have finished mid table if Coughlan hadn’t left 😂 I think you're confused by what a Gaschat fact is. Bennett's ever increasing wages are a Gaschat fact. Coughlan left so it's hard to make a Gaschat fact about where that team would have finished. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 23, 2021 22:58:34 GMT
Rip up what? We were getting battered every week yet somehow getting results. It's hardly like we were playing free flowing football and sweeping aside everyone we played. We should have been 5-0 down to an absolute shambles of a Southend side yet we managed to win that game as they were absolutely terrible. There's no way that GC's tenure was sustainable. Battered every week? Whilst we weren’t playing free flowing football, we certainly weren’t getting battered every week. Talk about exaggeration! your right, what we were was a hard working side that was very difficult to break down and we had a decent partnership up front in JCH and Nichols. Everyone knew their job and were afraid of letting each other or the manager down bevause he was a proper hard bastard who wouldn’t let the players get away with the kind of performances Garner and Tisdale have. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 23, 2021 23:11:26 GMT
Battered every week? Whilst we weren’t playing free flowing football, we certainly weren’t getting battered every week. Talk about exaggeration! your right, what we were was a hard working side that was very difficult to break down and we had a decent partnership up front in JCH and Nichols. Everyone knew their job and were afraid of letting each other or the manager down bevause he was a proper hard bastard who wouldn’t let the players get away with the kind of performances Garner and Tisdale have. Exactly that. You don’t need to tear teams apart to be good. I thought we’d have learnt that from Wycombe last season? |
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Post by socrates on Jan 23, 2021 23:42:19 GMT
your right, what we were was a hard working side that was very difficult to break down and we had a decent partnership up front in JCH and Nichols. Everyone knew their job and were afraid of letting each other or the manager down bevause he was a proper hard bastard who wouldn’t let the players get away with the kind of performances Garner and Tisdale have. Exactly that. You don’t need to tear teams apart to be good. I thought we’d have learnt that from Wycombe last season? Wael is finding his feet regarding picking managers. He walked in to the perfect situation DC was in the middle of working his magic. Once DC left it became down to Wael and his advisers to make the big decisions , Coughlan did enough once DC left to keep us up and he deserved a run the following season. Since then it’s been two nicey nicey blokes that don’t seem to instil any kind of fight in to the players we’ve signed and all of our seasoned pros have left. I was hoping Ehmer would be a decent replacement for Craig but watching his body language and face in the build up to defending corners free kicks etc he’s not even making eye contact with his players let alone organising them. Other players like Grant Westbrooke either seem to lack the fight or just aren’t good enough or a combination of the two. Sometimes lack of ability or confidence or even leadership from management can look like lack of effort or know how in younger players. I think we have signed some ok individual players that probably look good in training and they’re probably nice lads but somewhere this season we need to bring someone in who’s going to lean on them a bit see if they can handle a bit of toughness. I’m not convinced that they’re being pushed mentally to start every game like it might be their last and give 100%. I could be wrong of course they might be a very tough bunch mentally and giving 100 % and performing to the best of their abilities and they’re simply just not good enough but i think it’s that and combined particularly these last few matches with absolutely awful tactics which won’t make players lacking in confidence feel any better. |
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