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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 8:38:13 GMT
I didn't want to spend £10 after recent results so didn't watch and only just found out the result, but the question is how did we play? I don't know as I've not read the reports or on here.. If we played well as PT said and just couldn't score than I fail to see what he said wrong as it's the truth.We have 3 young forwards that are struggling to score. He could have acted during the last month tho. We did play well and there is a lot of overreacting to the fact we lost on here in my opinion. in terms of acting during the window - we tried, we tried really hard and thought we’d done it with Stockley only to get gazumped by Charlton... we had a specific type of striker we were after and there weren’t many out there available that fitted the mould. Stockley, Gnaduillet probably the only 2 and we went for both .... There’s only one specific striker you want a goal scoring one especially when you ain’t scoring,I doubt very much we were seriously interested in the two you mentioned way out of our budget.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 8:38:37 GMT
Why? Who would you replace him with? And what does constantly chopping managers achieve? He’s had about 10 odd games!? Ill tell you who I would swop him with, I would have Olli and Mansell as number 2, the players are not playing for him, but that's just my opinion, you probably won't agree but that is also your opinion I can see your view - personally I don’t think Ollie is the right manager and I think it would be like Francis 2nd time round or Ward 2nd time round... Ollie hasn’t been as successful a manager for a while now in comparison to earlier in his managerial career and I think it’s nostalgia that comes out when people call for him to come back because of the football and team we had with him before. If he did come back and then failed it would ruin what he has with us. Mansell I like and is a good shout as a number 2
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 10, 2021 8:53:39 GMT
Ill tell you who I would swop him with, I would have Olli and Mansell as number 2, the players are not playing for him, but that's just my opinion, you probably won't agree but that is also your opinion I can see your view - personally I don’t think Ollie is the right manager and I think it would be like Francis 2nd time round or Ward 2nd time round... Ollie hasn’t been as successful a manager for a while now in comparison to earlier in his managerial career and I think it’s nostalgia that comes out when people call for him to come back because of the football and team we had with him before. If he did come back and then failed it would ruin what he has with us. Mansell I like and is a good shout as a number 2 Holloway as DofF would work with Mansell in charge....no chance of ruining the legacy as not directly in charge but all the passion and experience we know he has
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 8:58:08 GMT
Fabulous may be too strong a word to use but we were good and remember this is against Oxford who are top of the form table and have one of the best rounded experienced squads in this league. in terms of summer recruitment, I may be wrong but I can’t recall people complaining about who we were signing at the time? In fact quite the opposite with most people on here lauding that we had a promotion winning squad!? Thing is, ‘fabulous’ and ‘good’ is ‘relatively good’. We can be relatively good compared to our Accrington performance but that won’t save us from relegation if we can’t stick the ball in the net. We created opportunities but couldn’t do anything with them. And that’s because either the was nobody there to score the goals or the players that were, were not talented enough to stick the ball in the net. Play like that against other sides and a bit more rub of the green and we may get a goal and flake the game. But we will still do well to avoid relegation unless we find a way to score more without compromising our ability to defend. The summer recruitment may have been lauded as good but the players being brought in were conference north superstars and premier league academy cast offs. That excitement was misguided and is a bit irrelevant if they’re unable to get results under two managers. Even if you think one or both of those are Mickey Mouse managers. I agree that the over excitement on the recruitment in the summer was misguided and yes I think the issue is clear that we created chances but couldn’t finish them.... personally I think we’ll be safe from relegation as we’ll find a way to score but I appreciate that it’s all just opinions..
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Post by bigal40 on Feb 10, 2021 9:01:17 GMT
Hmm....it feels to me like he’s being genuine there, or at least trying to speak highly of the players to boost their confidence. That was my opinion as well I really hope anyone who has any authority at the club don't feel the same. If that is the mindset after 8 defeats in 10 then we well and truly might as well plan now for League 2. How this man is still in charge is baffling. One or two are getting excited and accept we have improved since Accrington wow His man management appears to be appalling, he clearly has lost the dressing room no doubt about it. Giving him a two and a half year contract has put him in a position where he is basically unsociable. TW looking after his old mate by the look of it. Tisdale OUT !!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 9:01:22 GMT
We did play well and there is a lot of overreacting to the fact we lost on here in my opinion. in terms of acting during the window - we tried, we tried really hard and thought we’d done it with Stockley only to get gazumped by Charlton... we had a specific type of striker we were after and there weren’t many out there available that fitted the mould. Stockley, Gnaduillet probably the only 2 and we went for both .... There’s only one specific striker you want a goal scoring one especially when you ain’t scoring,I doubt very much we were seriously interested in the two you mentioned way out of our budget. Depending on whether you believe it or not, according to Sam Frost in his Q&A yesterday, we had agreement with Stockley and he was set to come only for Charlton to come in and he chose them instead as he didn’t want to risk being in a relegation threatened side. Gnadulliet we had offer on the table with but he just messed us around until a better offer / attractive proposition came along
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 9:03:31 GMT
That was my opinion as well I really hope anyone who has any authority at the club don't feel the same. If that is the mindset after 8 defeats in 10 then we well and truly might as well plan now for League 2. How this man is still in charge is baffling. One or two are getting excited and accept we have improved since Accrington wow His man management appears to be appalling, he clearly has lost the dressing room no doubt about it. Giving him a two and a half year contract has put him in a position where he is basically unsociable. TW looking after his old mate by the look of it. Tisdale OUT !!! After a performance like Fleetwood, Peterborough and last night how does that show he’s lost the dressing room!? Also do you not think the injuries we’ve had to key players may have influenced that run of defeats ??
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Post by Fat Albert on Feb 10, 2021 9:05:23 GMT
Just watched the interview and I think there’s not much wrong with what he said. Clearly trying to build up the players and applaud their effort, but ultimately we just haven’t got the strikers for here and now.
Defence has been a lot more solid last couple and we have created chances. By no means are we world beaters but there’s some decent players there.
Over 90 minutes both teams will create chances, it’s just about taking them and we are not. Daly and Hanlan have been ok this year but they are not out and out goal scorers (at least not yet),
Pretty much every combination of player has been tried this season so I’m not sure changing the manager will make much difference.
I think people spend too much time hanging on every word of an interview, to me the gist of it was probably accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 9:06:18 GMT
I can see your view - personally I don’t think Ollie is the right manager and I think it would be like Francis 2nd time round or Ward 2nd time round... Ollie hasn’t been as successful a manager for a while now in comparison to earlier in his managerial career and I think it’s nostalgia that comes out when people call for him to come back because of the football and team we had with him before. If he did come back and then failed it would ruin what he has with us. Mansell I like and is a good shout as a number 2 Holloway as DofF would work with Mansell in charge....no chance of ruining the legacy as not directly in charge but all the passion and experience we know he has Good option but Mansell with no management experience and only just in his coaching career - is he really right for a relegation battle iro of whether we had Ollie as DoF? Mansell would still be accountable and required to make all the decisions?
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 10, 2021 9:07:27 GMT
There’s only one specific striker you want a goal scoring one especially when you ain’t scoring,I doubt very much we were seriously interested in the two you mentioned way out of our budget. Depending on whether you believe it or not, according to Sam Frost in his Q&A yesterday, we had agreement with Stockley and he was set to come only for Charlton to come in and he chose them instead as he didn’t want to risk being in a relegation threatened side. Gnadulliet we had offer on the table with but he just messed us around until a better offer / attractive proposition came along Basically our head of recruitment is naive and out of his depth.
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 10, 2021 9:15:34 GMT
Decent manager!? Grayson is far from decent! Yes he’s had some success but he’s also failed massively at a number of clubs.... he’s also not a manager who develops players - he’s a manager that buys in experienced talent which is not our model I think our current manager could work for another 20 years in coaching and not get to the level Grayson has. Premier league, promotions to the championship a couple of times. They bear no comparison. As for developing players, we didn’t employ him as a development coach he’s here to avoid relegation. I thought that was the point of his employment. He’s certainly developing our current lot, they look worse now he’s had time to work with them
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 10, 2021 9:15:38 GMT
I can see your view - personally I don’t think Ollie is the right manager and I think it would be like Francis 2nd time round or Ward 2nd time round... Ollie hasn’t been as successful a manager for a while now in comparison to earlier in his managerial career and I think it’s nostalgia that comes out when people call for him to come back because of the football and team we had with him before. If he did come back and then failed it would ruin what he has with us. Mansell I like and is a good shout as a number 2 Holloway as DofF would work with Mansell in charge....no chance of ruining the legacy as not directly in charge but all the passion and experience we know he has Holloway is a busted flush.the only time you would see him at a game is if the tv crew are in town.
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Post by bigal40 on Feb 10, 2021 9:16:58 GMT
I really hope anyone who has any authority at the club don't feel the same. If that is the mindset after 8 defeats in 10 then we well and truly might as well plan now for League 2. How this man is still in charge is baffling. One or two are getting excited and accept we have improved since Accrington wow His man management appears to be appalling, he clearly has lost the dressing room no doubt about it. Giving him a two and a half year contract has put him in a position where he is basically unsociable. TW looking after his old mate by the look of it. Tisdale OUT !!! After a performance like Fleetwood, Peterborough and last night how does that show he’s lost the dressing room!? Also do you not think the injuries we’ve had to key players may have influenced that run of defeats ?? Look at all the performances over the last 4 weeks or so and you will answer your own question. If you think a mediocre performance and a 2-0 loss to Oxford has the players playing for him you are deluded. He is taking us down absolutely no doubt in my mind. Key players who Upson and Ogogo if we are reliant on either of those two then god helps us lol
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Post by Gas-Ed on Feb 10, 2021 9:35:41 GMT
Thing is, ‘fabulous’ and ‘good’ is ‘relatively good’. We can be relatively good compared to our Accrington performance but that won’t save us from relegation if we can’t stick the ball in the net. We created opportunities but couldn’t do anything with them. And that’s because either the was nobody there to score the goals or the players that were, were not talented enough to stick the ball in the net. Play like that against other sides and a bit more rub of the green and we may get a goal and flake the game. But we will still do well to avoid relegation unless we find a way to score more without compromising our ability to defend. The summer recruitment may have been lauded as good but the players being brought in were conference north superstars and premier league academy cast offs. That excitement was misguided and is a bit irrelevant if they’re unable to get results under two managers. Even if you think one or both of those are Mickey Mouse managers. I agree that the over excitement on the recruitment in the summer was misguided and yes I think the issue is clear that we created chances but couldn’t finish them.... personally I think we’ll be safe from relegation as we’ll find a way to score but I appreciate that it’s all just opinions.. I admire the optimism but how are we going to score goals? Who is going to put the ball in the net? We don’t have a JCH to score 10 - 15 goals between now and the end of the season. We have Hanlan who would struggle to bag in the conference, Daly who is a kid who works hard but he’s not going to suddenly turn into Michael Owen and Ayunga can’t strike a ball cleanly let alone put it in the net. Nicholson is a good player, but he’s there to create for others. He’s scored 2 or 3 good goals himself, but that’s not enough. I said back in September before the window closed that if we didn’t sign a goalscorer we would go down and I think I will be proved correct. The crime is that we have seen this coming a mile off.
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Post by garystash on Feb 10, 2021 9:44:36 GMT
Can you direct me to an article he's written recently? Plus his consultancy firm seems to be "dormant" so stop posting"fake news" BG, it's not helping your own reputation. PAUL TISDALE: Pep Guardiola saying Manchester City are playing better by running less may seem counter intuitive... but it is better to run smart rather than hard with ball-players like Kevin de Bruyne and Phil Foden By Paul Tisdale For The Mail On Sunday 22:49 16 Jan 2021, updated 09:10 17 Jan 2021 I really really don't get the problem with this. People in mine, and many other professions, write articles for publications/websites etc. It's a way of gaining respect and of course marketing themselves as knowledgable about their subject, whilst maybe earning a little at the same time. Only people who really know their subject are asked to contribute such things - so if anything I see it as a positive.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Feb 10, 2021 9:46:52 GMT
Stats related so feel free to ignore if you don't like these sorts of things! For those that do or are a bit interested read on... Attachment DeletedThis (if you follow a bit of the old xG) shows how were equals to Oxford over the 90 mins but once again under performed our expected goals and once again our opponents over performance on theirs. There is a bit of a theme and one that I feel we just need a goal to boost confidence in the attacking performance and I feel we can kick on and avoid relegation. Here is us doing it again against Rochdale and Crewe: Attachment DeletedDesperately need this win on Saturday against Swindon and cast your mind back... oh how we needed 6 points against Swindon and Wigan when PT first took charge (we got 1) It's pretty worrying/interesting reading over the last few years when you review our expected goal difference vs our actual. The dotted line is the new managers first game (GC - BG - PT) Attachment DeletedC'mon Gas! just need to stick that ball in! What ever way we can and build build build! UTG Source:https://experimental361.com/
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Post by thegasman on Feb 10, 2021 9:47:48 GMT
I have just read Tiswas's interview from last night. He strikes me as a beaten man, but afraid to walk. His language and words seem to be to be very carefully selected. He said it large and loud: He is not a magician, he can't get this team scoring goals, even though he thinks its a good team. It is unfair to rely on a v young striker (why? there are young strikers all over the shop). He can do no more than he did yesterday, and we still failed to score.
And lets face it, Oxford may have been on a decent run, but they weren't all that last night.
We possibly have the solution in our own ranks: Hargreaves and Mansell. Last time they were in charge, the team miraculously discovered some fight and bottle, and started to pick up points (I think, though I am getting old and the memory isn't all that) But the fight came back, which is what we most desperately need.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 9:49:23 GMT
Depending on whether you believe it or not, according to Sam Frost in his Q&A yesterday, we had agreement with Stockley and he was set to come only for Charlton to come in and he chose them instead as he didn’t want to risk being in a relegation threatened side. Gnadulliet we had offer on the table with but he just messed us around until a better offer / attractive proposition came along Basically our head of recruitment is naive and out of his depth. Really? That’s a bit lazy to say that just because we got messed about and gazumped and there weren’t any other strikers AVAILABLE that fitted the brief? Personally i I think he’s done / doing an ok job... remember, he’s only jus5 been promoted to the board and just because he’s head of recruitment doesn’t mean he has a right of veto. His job is to run the department - analysis, scouting etc to identify players now and in the future who may be available that meets a brief the manager has given him and then present those options to the manager for the manager to decide who to go for.... if that target falls through, it’s onto number 2 in the list although we’d be going for multiple targets at the same time but prioritising our number 1 target. His department is also responsible for engaging with all other clubs to keep tabs on players and understand who might be being released and when etc to build a portfolio of available players (e.g McCormick is under contract at Chelsea but is not likely to be renewed when his contract expires I don’t think). He’s also accountable for understanding what players may get released early and also what wage and fee brackets players may be in so we can assess affordability etc.... its nota straightforward role
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Post by playtowin on Feb 10, 2021 10:03:25 GMT
He (tisdale) is correct. The team battled and players got forward but there is nobody putting the ball in the net. The summer recruitment whilst full of potential was never going to be able to fulfill the here and now. All the playoff or promoted teams at rovers have strong cores.With a bonus quality player. If the star defender is young they have a very experienced player along side. Mildenhall Lockyer(exp of mccrystal) Lines Taylor *bodin Phillips Elliot Campbell Lambert. * disley /walker. Martyn/parkin Yates(twentyman for exp.) Holloway Penrice/white *mehew Jones Tilson Skinner Stewart *G. Taylor. Parkin Foster (tilson for exp) Astafjevs Roberts *cureton/walters. Current team has Jaakola Kilgour (no exp with him..did have craig ) *nicholson. My view is a player is needed like campbell or lines or holloway who can pick the ball up deep and run into the opposing half. Creates spaces and commits their players. Rovers i believe have Nicholson who could do that if in the centre of a 3 man midfield. Supported by ball winners. An old head needs to come in alongside kilgour.Maybe mark little short term. Hanlan and daly may be ok if they have nicholson running from deep playing balls for them to run onto instead of behind them so they have back to goal. All is not lost ,just have tind the right pattern for the players at the club. Utg
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 10, 2021 10:09:28 GMT
Basically our head of recruitment is naive and out of his depth. Really? That’s a bit lazy to say that just because we got messed about and gazumped and there weren’t any other strikers AVAILABLE that fitted the brief? Personally i I think he’s done / doing an ok job... remember, he’s only jus5 been promoted to the board and just because he’s head of recruitment doesn’t mean he has a right of veto. His job is to run the department - analysis, scouting etc to identify players now and in the future who may be available that meets a brief the manager has given him and then present those options to the manager for the manager to decide who to go for.... if that target falls through, it’s onto number 2 in the list although we’d be going for multiple targets at the same time but prioritising our number 1 target. His department is also responsible for engaging with all other clubs to keep tabs on players and understand who might be being released and when etc to build a portfolio of available players (e.g McCormick is under contract at Chelsea but is not likely to be renewed when his contract expires I don’t think). He’s also accountable for understanding what players may get released early and also what wage and fee brackets players may be in so we can assess affordability etc.... its nota straightforward role It’s naive going for two players that were never, ever going to sign for us and put all your eggs in one basket. Just before and during a 4 week transfer window the recruitment team have one job and one job only.
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