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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 10:12:44 GMT
Really? That’s a bit lazy to say that just because we got messed about and gazumped and there weren’t any other strikers AVAILABLE that fitted the brief? Personally i I think he’s done / doing an ok job... remember, he’s only jus5 been promoted to the board and just because he’s head of recruitment doesn’t mean he has a right of veto. His job is to run the department - analysis, scouting etc to identify players now and in the future who may be available that meets a brief the manager has given him and then present those options to the manager for the manager to decide who to go for.... if that target falls through, it’s onto number 2 in the list although we’d be going for multiple targets at the same time but prioritising our number 1 target. His department is also responsible for engaging with all other clubs to keep tabs on players and understand who might be being released and when etc to build a portfolio of available players (e.g McCormick is under contract at Chelsea but is not likely to be renewed when his contract expires I don’t think). He’s also accountable for understanding what players may get released early and also what wage and fee brackets players may be in so we can assess affordability etc.... its nota straightforward role It’s naive going for two players that were never, ever going to sign for us and put all your eggs in one basket. Just before and during a 4 week transfer window the recruitment team have one job and one job only. But according to Sam Frost Stockley was going to sign? Other than those 2, what other strikers that fit the brief of what we wanted were available? I’m not aware of any?
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 10, 2021 10:16:51 GMT
It’s naive going for two players that were never, ever going to sign for us and put all your eggs in one basket. Just before and during a 4 week transfer window the recruitment team have one job and one job only. But according to Sam Frost Stockley was going to sign? Other than those 2, what other strikers that fit the brief of what we wanted were available? I’m not aware of any? Actually according to Sam Frost we went all out to get him. Not quite the same. A championship level striker wasn’t ever coming to us. He either stays in the championship or goes to a promotion hunting team with money. I’ve tried my hardest many a time to pull a nice looking lady but just because I tried doesn’t mean I got close!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 10, 2021 10:19:41 GMT
But according to Sam Frost Stockley was going to sign? Other than those 2, what other strikers that fit the brief of what we wanted were available? I’m not aware of any? Actually according to Sam Frost we went all out to get him. Not quite the same. A championship level striker wasn’t ever coming to us. He either stays in the championship or goes to a promotion hunting team with money. I’ve tried my hardest many a time to pull a nice looking lady but just because I tried doesn’t mean I got close! Maybe you shouldn't go on about BG and PT to her all the time, then. Compliment her dress or hair, instead, maybe.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 10, 2021 10:23:21 GMT
Actually according to Sam Frost we went all out to get him. Not quite the same. A championship level striker wasn’t ever coming to us. He either stays in the championship or goes to a promotion hunting team with money. I’ve tried my hardest many a time to pull a nice looking lady but just because I tried doesn’t mean I got close! Maybe you shouldn't go on about BG and PT to her all the time, then. Compliment her dress or hair, instead, maybe. I doubt it would improve my chances. Focussing on achievable targets and not leaving it to the last minute might help though 👍🏻 My mates (Burton, Swindon etc) did this and it worked nicely.
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 10, 2021 10:30:18 GMT
Maybe you shouldn't go on about BG and PT to her all the time, then. Compliment her dress or hair, instead, maybe. I doubt it would improve my chances. Focussing on achievable targets and not leaving it to the last minute might help though 👍🏻 My mates (Burton, Swindon etc) did this and it worked nicely. Swindon brought in loan player’s and sold all their best player’s. There fans are moaning they are going down as well and said it was a shocking window. I think Stockley would have come here, if Charlton didn’t come in at minute. We needed experience, not another youngster.
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Post by cagastrophy on Feb 10, 2021 10:43:56 GMT
Tbf I thought he had a point? But what do I know. The real crime is not getting a striker or 2 in January.. That's sealed our fate.. Tisdales fault? I'd point the fault at Widdrington and wael personally. True, if he was told to shed some dead weight before bringing anyone else in and here were no takers what else could have been done?
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Post by Congas on Feb 10, 2021 10:54:11 GMT
Get rid of him now or he might well get three points against Swindon and be stuck here in sideline pondering mode too long to save us from the drop.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 10, 2021 10:58:22 GMT
Out of interest what did he say when he joined?
"There is steady ownership here and there's quite clearly a plan," Tisdale told BBC Radio Bristol.
"[Having lots of young players] gives a real platform to build from. It's my job to get the best out of that group."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 10:58:57 GMT
It’s naive going for two players that were never, ever going to sign for us and put all your eggs in one basket. Just before and during a 4 week transfer window the recruitment team have one job and one job only. But according to Sam Frost Stockley was going to sign? Other than those 2, what other strikers that fit the brief of what we wanted were available? I’m not aware of any? Is he here now at the moment hiding in a cupboard? No. He didn’t sign, whether at the 1st hour or the 11th he has ultimately ended up at a better team and that was always the likely outcome. The league isn’t going to give us pity points to compensate because we could have, might have or almost did. The end result is that our head of recruitment brought in a (pretty rotten) keeper and one of Tisdale’s mates. Widdrington might as well have taken January off and gone on a sabbatical.
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Post by blueridge on Feb 10, 2021 11:04:24 GMT
Perhaps he should employ Debbie McGee as his number 2. She worked with a "magician" called Paul and could pull a few rabbits out from under his hats. Too much bluster from this manager for me and results speak for themselves - but I don't feel he'll being going anywhere anytime soon. Just the manager we need to get us out of League 2 some will argue, with all his experience in that division.
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Post by henry on Feb 10, 2021 11:05:37 GMT
I didn't want to spend £10 after recent results so didn't watch and only just found out the result, but the question is how did we play? I don't know as I've not read the reports or on here.. If we played well as PT said and just couldn't score than I fail to see what he said wrong as it's the truth.We have 3 young forwards that are struggling to score. He could have acted during the last month tho. We played well and the game was fairly even apart from the play acting and time wasting on their part but that’s football. Tisdales choice of words were perhaps not the wisest but he was spot on with what he was trying to say without upsetting certain players. There is an anti Tisdale pro Mansell, Widdrington agenda which sounds totally odd to me but if there is poison going on behind the scenes then it makes sense. I haven’t heard anyone say or suggest something so funny since Lee Johnson said City would be playing in Europe within five years.
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Post by biggles on Feb 10, 2021 11:07:07 GMT
i didn't see the game but listened to it on radio brissle to call it a tremendous performance is a bit far fetched perhaps because matt taylor{i refuse to call him the snake because he at least played for the shirt} didn't score he thought the fans would would be over the moon! we have given too many people in high places too many chances now is the time for a clearout!!!
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Post by henry on Feb 10, 2021 11:07:30 GMT
Out of interest what did he say when he joined? "There is steady ownership here and there's quite clearly a plan," Tisdale told BBC Radio Bristol. "[Having lots of young players] gives a real platform to build from. It's my job to get the best out of that group." All sounds good and looks good on paper but when reality strikes—O sh**!! Where’s the magic wand.
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Post by giff on Feb 10, 2021 11:08:15 GMT
Got to feel for Tisdale really having to rely on a 20 year old to score our goals , Man City have the same problem relying on a fellow 20 year old, Phil Foden to carry them through its really tough. the only difference is that if Foden was with us ,he would be loaned out to Bath City and deemed not old enough.
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Post by wordsofwisdom on Feb 10, 2021 11:12:25 GMT
I know we all think we can manage a pro football team,me included,so I always follow closely team selection,substitutions,tactics etc.I have always thought that Mr.Grimsdale was extremely fortunate to have been a pro manager for so long.He seems to be in the wrong game completely,and would be much more suited to cricket.He could start off running a village cricket team and take it from there. Whilst at Exeter he was prone to wearing a cravat as part of his touch line attire.When asked about it by the Press,he replied that when the players looked over to him on the touch line,it gave them confidence,and already they were 1:0 up.You can research this if you don’t believe me,it’s true.!This could be our only hope for the rest of the season.
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Post by pirate on Feb 10, 2021 11:18:48 GMT
I know we all think we can manage a pro football team,me included,so I always follow closely team selection,substitutions,tactics etc.I have always thought that Mr.Grimsdale was extremely fortunate to have been a pro manager for so long.He seems to be in the wrong game completely,and would be much more suited to cricket.He could start off running a village cricket team and take it from there. Whilst at Exeter he was prone to wearing a cravat as part of his touch line attire.When asked about it by the Press,he replied that when the players looked over to him on the touch line,it gave them confidence,and already they were 1:0 up.You can research this if you don’t believe me,it’s true.!This could be our only hope for the rest of the season.
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Post by biggles on Feb 10, 2021 11:20:22 GMT
was it a red cravat
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 10, 2021 11:22:23 GMT
I know we all think we can manage a pro football team,me included,so I always follow closely team selection,substitutions,tactics etc.I have always thought that Mr.Grimsdale was extremely fortunate to have been a pro manager for so long.He seems to be in the wrong game completely,and would be much more suited to cricket.He could start off running a village cricket team and take it from there. Whilst at Exeter he was prone to wearing a cravat as part of his touch line attire.When asked about it by the Press,he replied that when the players looked over to him on the touch line,it gave them confidence,and already they were 1:0 up.You can research this if you don’t believe me,it’s true.!This could be our only hope for the rest of the season.
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Post by madgas on Feb 10, 2021 11:26:24 GMT
My issue with Tisdale is that I'm struggling to trust him.
He spoke about he likes his teams to have a messiness that meant end to end matches. Then reverted to a control style 5-4-1.
He spoke about "his players" and now he's distance himself.
We're in BS land.
But I think he'll turn it.
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Post by RD on Feb 10, 2021 11:30:46 GMT
I read the comments on here before hearing the interview with my own ears and was in agreement with those saying it's smacked of arrogance etc. However, having since heard the interview, I actually feel it's a pretty good/fair one.
He's clearly trying to build up the confidence of what is a very young squad. We all knew Oxford would probably win and IMO are one of the best sides in this division; so it was always going to be tough. Therefore it's no real surprise they scored - the issue was that we couldn't score ourselves. As he points out - it's down to the players to stick the ball in the back of the net; there's only so much he can do.
He's been hung out to dry in that regard as the recruitment striker wise over the summer was appalling and we failed (for whatever reason) to rectify the issue before the window closed. We're now stuck with 3 strikers - one of which is very young and it's unfair to expect too much of, one of which is non-league standard (at least currently) and one of which offers quite a bit generally and will score goals but not the 20+ per season (if not 25+) ultimately required.
I can't believe for one minute Tisdale wouldn't have wanted us to sign a striker, so we have to assume it was failure by the club more generally and perhaps Tommy "I work 3 windows ahead" Widdrington.
Is PT the answer? I don't know. But he is on a hiding to nothing regardless IMO - Guardiola, Hiddink, Mourinho; they'd all struggle to do anything with this squad.
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