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Post by stevek192 on Mar 8, 2021 18:52:21 GMT
Sorry i was trying to reply to two at once!!
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 8, 2021 19:51:33 GMT
Sorry i was trying to reply to two at once!! No problem The point I was trying (unsuccessfully it would appear !!) to get accross was that if Harries had called (he may well of) then maybe Kilgour stays where he is and the whole 2 players going for one ball issue doesnt happen. As a back 3 or 4 we just seem so easy to play against you can almost guarantee that there will be a mistake made somewhere and the problem as I see it is that it's not always the same player. I'll be very interested in the team news tomorrow night, judging by JB's last couple of press conferences I think we might be looking at a few changes
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 8, 2021 20:45:52 GMT
I think he has to leave out both Kilgour and Leahy from the defence tomorrow night and pair either Ehmer and Baldwin or Baldwin and Harries or Ehmer and Harries. If he leaves Leahy out of the defence he also needs to give either Koiki or Tutunda a chance. I think he also really needs to go with Hanlon and Ayunga up front together. Personally I would go with
Day
Williams Baldwin Harries Koiki
McCormick
Rodman Nicholson Westbrooke
Hanlan Ayunga
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 8, 2021 20:53:30 GMT
Quite a bit of plain speaking from JB in today’s conference
Alluded to professional standards not high enough
Proposed social media ban
And affirmed he’s here for the long haul
Think a few will have to grow up pretty quickly in the next few weeks
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Post by gaschat on Mar 8, 2021 22:38:21 GMT
Quite a bit of plain speaking from JB in today’s conference Alluded to professional standards not high enough Proposed social media ban And affirmed he’s here for the long haul Think a few will have to grow up pretty quickly in the next few weeks Sorry to strike a discordant note but I thought the press conference was just full of cliches and “manager” talk. Three points from three games is pathetic, sadly we are going backwards not forwards under JB.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 22:42:54 GMT
Quite a bit of plain speaking from JB in today’s conference Alluded to professional standards not high enough Proposed social media ban And affirmed he’s here for the long haul Think a few will have to grow up pretty quickly in the next few weeks Sorry to strike a discordant note but I thought the press conference was just full of cliches and “manager” talk. Three points from three games is pathetic, sadly we are going backwards not forwards under JB. 3 points from 4 games.
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Post by bluestargas on Mar 8, 2021 22:55:28 GMT
Points make prizes.
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Post by justin blue on Mar 8, 2021 23:55:48 GMT
Joey was an exitiing prospect when he arrived and he comes accross well, but the trouble is very little has changed. It begs the question was Tisdale that bad or are this squad so bad that nobody can save us. I truly hope that Joey can squeeze enough out of this side to avoid the drop as he doesn't deserve to have a relegation on his record.
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Post by playtowin on Mar 9, 2021 7:35:36 GMT
You really dont like Kilgour do you Steve ? I'm not going to pretend he hasn't made mistakes but to claim the majority of goals have been down to him & Leahy is complete nonsense. Harries was just as culpable for the 2nd goal on Sat, JB brought on Baldwin who came off ?? Rubbish, the ball was played down our left channel towards their player and Harries who was going to deal with it. From the centre Kilgour came across out of sight of Harries and careered into him, hence taking two of our back line out and leaving us wide open. The substitution was nothing to do with that and if you honestly saw the game Harries was far better than Kilgour in all ways. Steve K is right, Leahy and Kilgour have been responsible for a lot of goals recently, that cannot be denied. There could be a reason why players like kilgour and leahy for example are doing things they shouldnt be doing. That they dont believe the person who should be doing it...will do it. They are trying mistakenly to compensate. Where as they should concentrate on their own job and give a roasting to the players who fail to do theirs.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 9, 2021 8:13:43 GMT
Kilgore was trying to win the ball high up the pitch, sadly people will blame him for it but it was near the halfway line? Where were the covering players? There was much to do to score from that position. You defend as a team and that goal resulted from a few errors from different players. The first goal wouldn't of happened if grant was still on the pitch. Leahy I think should of seen the ball out but didn't.... But the real mistake was no one marking grants man. Bit unlucky really but they saw an opportunity and took it. We are seeing another system under JB, its not working away from home but the shrews game was good. Maybe we will win more home games from now on. How can Grant being off the pitch made any difference to Leahy's mistake, I'd have made the same error regardless?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 9, 2021 8:18:36 GMT
Rubbish, the ball was played down our left channel towards their player and Harries who was going to deal with it. From the centre Kilgour came across out of sight of Harries and careered into him, hence taking two of our back line out and leaving us wide open. The substitution was nothing to do with that and if you honestly saw the game Harries was far better than Kilgour in all ways. Steve K is right, Leahy and Kilgour have been responsible for a lot of goals recently, that cannot be denied. There could be a reason why players like kilgour and leahy for example are doing things they shouldnt be doing. That they dont believe the person who should be doing it...will do it. They are trying mistakenly to compensate. Where as they should concentrate on their own job and give a roasting to the players who fail to do theirs. Leahy was just letting the ball go out for a goal kick, who else is going to do that? Although I guess all teams at the bottom make mistakes or they wouldn't be down there, the fact we never score probably highlights every mistake leading to a goal we do concede as it costs us the game.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Mar 9, 2021 9:42:48 GMT
Kilgore was trying to win the ball high up the pitch, sadly people will blame him for it but it was near the halfway line? Where were the covering players? There was much to do to score from that position. You defend as a team and that goal resulted from a few errors from different players. The first goal wouldn't of happened if grant was still on the pitch. Leahy I think should of seen the ball out but didn't.... But the real mistake was no one marking grants man. Bit unlucky really but they saw an opportunity and took it. We are seeing another system under JB, its not working away from home but the shrews game was good. Maybe we will win more home games from now on. How can Grant being off the pitch made any difference to Leahy's mistake, I'd have made the same error regardless? The player that scored the goal would of been closed down by grant if he was on the pitch, or possibly cleared it away before the forward got there. Just a shame leahys mistake led to a goal. Yes he would of still made a mistake but it wouldn't of been remembered if nothing had came from it.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Mar 9, 2021 9:47:43 GMT
The second goal came about by us playing a high line, chasing the game. Kilgore had won a couple of dominant headers high up the pitch before the goal, trying to force the game. For the goal it was a misjudgement on his part, he will learn from that. When you are struggling at the bottom of the league these things tend to go against you, a mixture of trying things you wouldn't normally do and losing belief.
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Post by playtowin on Mar 9, 2021 9:47:58 GMT
There could be a reason why players like kilgour and leahy for example are doing things they shouldnt be doing. That they dont believe the person who should be doing it...will do it. They are trying mistakenly to compensate. Where as they should concentrate on their own job and give a roasting to the players who fail to do theirs. Leahy was just letting the ball go out for a goal kick, who else is going to do that? Although I guess all teams at the bottom make mistakes or they wouldn't be down there, the fact we never score probably highlights every mistake leading to a goal we do concede as it costs us the game. Playing 3 across the back you have to question why the person playing left midfield was doing what the left sided of the back 3 should have been doing. I suspect and its just an opinion, it is due to people not doing their core jobs and getting drawn into jobs they shouldnt be doing that is leading to the mistakes and bad positioning that follows. Leaving so many unmarked players scoring goals this season. Thats down to lack of discipline, allowing trying to bail out your mate over what should be done.
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Post by justin blue on Mar 9, 2021 10:40:03 GMT
The second goal came about by us playing a high line, chasing the game. Kilgore had won a couple of dominant headers high up the pitch before the goal, trying to force the game. For the goal it was a misjudgement on his part, he will learn from that. When you are struggling at the bottom of the league these things tend to go against you, a mixture of trying things you wouldn't normally do and losing belief. That's pretty much as I see it. Though the defending for the second goal was terrible, the damage was done when we conceded the first which was even worst defending. The thing that struck me was how well Hull defended as a team. I didn't see them as particularly potent in attack or in midfield, but they were solid at the back. Wish we could learn from them.
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Post by RD on Mar 9, 2021 12:36:16 GMT
Very confused by this. I was told on numerous occasions by several posters that Joey Barton would unequivocally keep us in League One - that he was an unbelievable appointment and that we had effectively won the lottery by him choosing to come to us.
So what is all this talk of relegation?
Very confused
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 9, 2021 14:02:32 GMT
Who doesn't like a table of data? You? fair enough, skip this post then. For the rest I have done a bit of a manager comparison for the 4 we have had in charge of league matches this season (inc Tommy as interim manager) Key: SpG - shots per game SoT% - shots on target SoTpG - shots on target per game PpG - points per game GpG - goals per game ASpG - shots against per game ASoT% - shots on target against ASoTpG - shots on target against per game AGpG - goals against per game Interestingly, although Barton has not had the results and points return yet to prove he has what it takes to be the savior, he has almost cut our opponents shots and shots on target by half. This period unfortunately for him and us saw the likes of Wigan(100%), Shrewsbury (50%) and Hull (100%) scoring an above average efficiency in tucking them away. Over the season to date we have conceded 144 shots on target and of those 52 were goals. That's a 36% average conversion rate. at the other end we have taken 112 shots on target and scored 30 goals. That's a 27% average conversation rate. All this does is confirm we are in the cack but I found it interesting in terms of checking what my eyes were telling me about Barton's blue and white army. With a bit more efficiency up top and some matches where we don't throw away the game due to silly mistakes Barton could just get us out of it IMO. In terms of throwing away games, as Barton seems to have us facing less attempts, hopefully we can improve. UTG
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Post by Westy on Mar 9, 2021 14:42:43 GMT
I don't really understand why people are sure they want JB next season if we go down. Surely we have to see what sort of fist he makes of the relegation fight before deciding on something like that. I was pretty confident he would keep us up, but getting less so with every game. For me it's because the writing's been on the wall for a while now, and JB is the first sound appointment we've had in years. If anybody's coming down with us I'd rather it be Joey!
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Post by seanclevedongas on Mar 9, 2021 14:46:12 GMT
Who doesn't like a table of data? You? fair enough, skip this post then. For the rest I have done a bit of a manager comparison for the 4 we have had in charge of league matches this season (inc Tommy as interim manager) View AttachmentKey: SpG - shots per game SoT% - shots on target SoTpG - shots on target per game PpG - points per game GpG - goals per game ASpG - shots against per game ASoT% - shots on target against ASoTpG - shots on target against per game AGpG - goals against per game Interestingly, although Barton has not had the results and points return yet to prove he has what it takes to be the savior, he has almost cut our opponents shots and shots on target by half. This period unfortunately for him and us saw the likes of Wigan(100%), Shrewsbury (50%) and Hull (100%) scoring an above average efficiency in tucking them away. Over the season to date we have conceded 144 shots on target and of those 52 were goals. That's a 36% average conversion rate. at the other end we have taken 112 shots on target and scored 30 goals. That's a 27% average conversation rate. All this does is confirm we are in the cack but I found it interesting in terms of checking what my eyes were telling me about Barton's blue and white army. With a bit more efficiency up top and some matches where we don't throw away the game due to silly mistakes Barton could just get us out of it IMO. In terms of throwing away games, as Barton seems to have us facing less attempts, hopefully we can improve. UTG Great stats, did you create them yourself or nick them from somewhere? Would be interesting to see the comparison with BG and PT after JB has managed 11-15 games like they did
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 9, 2021 14:52:54 GMT
Who doesn't like a table of data? You? fair enough, skip this post then. For the rest I have done a bit of a manager comparison for the 4 we have had in charge of league matches this season (inc Tommy as interim manager) View AttachmentKey: SpG - shots per game SoT% - shots on target SoTpG - shots on target per game PpG - points per game GpG - goals per game ASpG - shots against per game ASoT% - shots on target against ASoTpG - shots on target against per game AGpG - goals against per game Interestingly, although Barton has not had the results and points return yet to prove he has what it takes to be the savior, he has almost cut our opponents shots and shots on target by half. This period unfortunately for him and us saw the likes of Wigan(100%), Shrewsbury (50%) and Hull (100%) scoring an above average efficiency in tucking them away. Over the season to date we have conceded 144 shots on target and of those 52 were goals. That's a 36% average conversion rate. at the other end we have taken 112 shots on target and scored 30 goals. That's a 27% average conversation rate. All this does is confirm we are in the cack but I found it interesting in terms of checking what my eyes were telling me about Barton's blue and white army. With a bit more efficiency up top and some matches where we don't throw away the game due to silly mistakes Barton could just get us out of it IMO. In terms of throwing away games, as Barton seems to have us facing less attempts, hopefully we can improve. UTG Great stats, did you create them yourself or nick them from somewhere? Would be interesting to see the comparison with BG and PT after JB has managed 11-15 games like they did Thanks mate... bit manual but it's the gas so worth my time Source:https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/185/Show/England-Bristol-Rovers I love going here post matches and digging up the stats to see the on paper highlights even when the result may not have been great. In terms of and update, I can do that... might need to be reminded in 6 games time so if you remember and I dont, give me a nudge.
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