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Post by seanclevedongas on Mar 9, 2021 16:38:27 GMT
Great stats, did you create them yourself or nick them from somewhere? Would be interesting to see the comparison with BG and PT after JB has managed 11-15 games like they did Thanks mate... bit manual but it's the gas so worth my time Source:https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/185/Show/England-Bristol-Rovers I love going here post matches and digging up the stats to see the on paper highlights even when the result may not have been great. In terms of and update, I can do that... might need to be reminded in 6 games time so if you remember and I dont, give me a nudge. Cool thanks I appreciate it and will try to remember
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Post by socrates on Mar 9, 2021 16:47:33 GMT
Joey was an exitiing prospect when he arrived and he comes accross well, but the trouble is very little has changed. It begs the question was Tisdale that bad or are this squad so bad that nobody can save us. I truly hope that Joey can squeeze enough out of this side to avoid the drop as he doesn't deserve to have a relegation on his record. Not much has changed because we’re still playing the same formation with the same players as we did under the last two and our best player out of position. No width and no pace. The effort is there, having said that I thought the effort was usually there under Garner and Tisdale.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 9, 2021 17:09:51 GMT
Who doesn't like a table of data? You? fair enough, skip this post then. For the rest I have done a bit of a manager comparison for the 4 we have had in charge of league matches this season (inc Tommy as interim manager) View AttachmentKey: SpG - shots per game SoT% - shots on target SoTpG - shots on target per game PpG - points per game GpG - goals per game ASpG - shots against per game ASoT% - shots on target against ASoTpG - shots on target against per game AGpG - goals against per game Interestingly, although Barton has not had the results and points return yet to prove he has what it takes to be the savior, he has almost cut our opponents shots and shots on target by half. This period unfortunately for him and us saw the likes of Wigan(100%), Shrewsbury (50%) and Hull (100%) scoring an above average efficiency in tucking them away. Over the season to date we have conceded 144 shots on target and of those 52 were goals. That's a 36% average conversion rate. at the other end we have taken 112 shots on target and scored 30 goals. That's a 27% average conversation rate. All this does is confirm we are in the cack but I found it interesting in terms of checking what my eyes were telling me about Barton's blue and white army. With a bit more efficiency up top and some matches where we don't throw away the game due to silly mistakes Barton could just get us out of it IMO. In terms of throwing away games, as Barton seems to have us facing less attempts, hopefully we can improve. UTG A very interesting post...my only concern is that Barton’s 4 games have seen 3 against Burton, Shrewsbury and Wigan. Yes he has reduced shots against and shots taken but will that still be the case after say 10 games when he has played more of the top teams? I would like to see this stat once Barton has played a few more teams. The squad comments baffle me when we have Leahy, Kilgour, Jakkola, Rodman, Hargreaves, Upson from last year plus Nicholson, McCormick, Daly, Hanlan... We lost Craig, JCH, Sercombe, Clarke, Menayase all too league 2 clubs barring JCH. How has the squad gone to “national league bound”? Look back through October’s games and results. The squad had a sustained winning / unbeaten period. That should be the benchmark to aspire to
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 9, 2021 17:28:23 GMT
We lost 3-1 at the Mem to Hull in October, and the first two games in November we then lost to P'boro and Fleetwood at the Mem, where's this sustained winning/unbeaten period we need to aspire to?
As far as losing players to L2, where do you think the likes of Barrett and Liddell will go if they are released, as I can't see many L1/L2 sides rushing to sign them. They are probably at Mensah's & Deon Moore's level and they were both playing NLS or lower level until the season was abandoned.
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Post by cj on Mar 9, 2021 17:48:55 GMT
Very confused by this. I was told on numerous occasions by several posters that Joey Barton would unequivocally keep us in League One - that he was an unbelievable appointment and that we had effectively won the lottery by him choosing to come to us. So what is all this talk of relegation? Very confused I was against JB coming. His history of violence being one reason but also I wasn't sold on his ability as manager to keep us up. My argument was that he had only managed one club and has no experience as manager of surviving a relegation battle either. Like you RoverDrive, I too was told many times by many posters that JB will keep us in L1 and no other managers could do it. And I was told his experience alone at Fleetwood was somehow good enough to keep us up! There was no point in arguing about it because this place was becoming so toxic over it so I went silent on the subject.
Now JB is here (against my wishes), we just have to hope all these posters were right but when you see defeats against Wigan and Burton and we are still struggling to score and still can't defend, I literally have no faith in staying up, especially as we are gifting our rivals 3 points. I do believe some posters who were so adamant that JB would save us probably have already changed their mind but I doubt they would admit it. So I remain with the opinion that JB was the wrong appointment but when we go down, my finger won't be pointing in his direction (at the moment). He has only been here 2 minutes and has no transfer window to fix the issues he knows need fixing. He is stuck with these players who 90% of them have shown they are not yet good enough for L1 football. I cannot see where we will get the points to keep us up and I think we will end bottom 2. I really hope I am wrong.
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 9, 2021 18:07:49 GMT
We lost 3-1 at the Mem to Hull in October, and the first two games in November we then lost to P'boro and Fleetwood at the Mem, where's this sustained winning/unbeaten period we need to aspire to? As far as losing players to L2, where do you think the likes of Barrett and Liddell will go if they are released, as I can't see many L1/L2 sides rushing to sign them. They are probably at Mensah's & Deon Moore's level and they were both playing NLS or lower level until the season was abandoned. We beat Shrewsbury, Lincoln and Northampton in October, drew with Rochdale and Burton and lost to Hull. That’s the October I’m talking about. 11 points from 6 games. 3 wins 2 draws and 1 loss
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 9, 2021 20:36:30 GMT
We lost 3-1 at the Mem to Hull in October, and the first two games in November we then lost to P'boro and Fleetwood at the Mem, where's this sustained winning/unbeaten period we need to aspire to? As far as losing players to L2, where do you think the likes of Barrett and Liddell will go if they are released, as I can't see many L1/L2 sides rushing to sign them. They are probably at Mensah's & Deon Moore's level and they were both playing NLS or lower level until the season was abandoned. We beat Shrewsbury, Lincoln and Northampton in October, drew with Rochdale and Burton and lost to Hull. That’s the October I’m talking about. 11 points from 6 games. 3 wins 2 draws and 1 lossSo it wasn't an unbeaten run and around the period we lost to Hull, P'boro and Fleetwood at the Mem. Back to the OP, whatever JB said/did this week has clearly worked, something neither Garner nor Tisdale were clearly capable of doing with this squad of players.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 9, 2021 21:16:33 GMT
We lost 3-1 at the Mem to Hull in October, and the first two games in November we then lost to P'boro and Fleetwood at the Mem, where's this sustained winning/unbeaten period we need to aspire to? As far as losing players to L2, where do you think the likes of Barrett and Liddell will go if they are released, as I can't see many L1/L2 sides rushing to sign them. They are probably at Mensah's & Deon Moore's level and they were both playing NLS or lower level until the season was abandoned. We beat Shrewsbury, Lincoln and Northampton in October, drew with Rochdale and Burton and lost to Hull. That’s the October I’m talking about. 11 points from 6 games. 3 wins 2 draws and 1 loss What about December 2019 to March 2020? What about August, September, November 2020? What about our chances created, chances conceded, shots on goal, shots against, goal difference, and ultimately the results? As I've said before, if you can cherry-pick stats to suit your argument, you should be able to acknowledge the bigger picture.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2021 21:30:51 GMT
We beat Shrewsbury, Lincoln and Northampton in October, drew with Rochdale and Burton and lost to Hull. That’s the October I’m talking about. 11 points from 6 games. 3 wins 2 draws and 1 loss What about December 2019 to March 2020? What about August, September, November 2020? What about our chances created, chances conceded, shots on goal, shots against, goal difference, and ultimately the results? As I've said before, if you can cherry-pick stats to suit your argument, you should be able to acknowledge the bigger picture. Nope, only the games we won count. The others don't count/didn't happen/not his fault/cheated out of it - cross out as appropriate.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 9, 2021 21:35:40 GMT
Very confused by this. I was told on numerous occasions by several posters that Joey Barton would unequivocally keep us in League One - that he was an unbelievable appointment and that we had effectively won the lottery by him choosing to come to us. So what is all this talk of relegation? Very confused Right back at ya
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 9, 2021 22:57:46 GMT
I’ll look to add tonight match to the manager analysis and we should see a steep increase for JB for the points, shots on target and shots on target conceded.
Like many have said, review again at 10-15 games. Will try to update after each game
So proud of the whole club tonight
UTG
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 10, 2021 9:20:59 GMT
So spent a bit of time tidying it up a bit, hopefully makes for a nice read. Also added a few more bits based on feedback within this thread. Enjoy! Attachment DeletedUp the stats... Up the Gas!
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 10, 2021 9:32:24 GMT
So spent a bit of time tidying it up a bit, hopefully makes for a nice read. Also added a few more bits based on feedback within this thread. Enjoy! View AttachmentUp the stats... Up the Gas! Interesting there are fewer shots against us under JB by some margin. Could be an indication of opposition or that we are set up to defend further up the pitch, tackling from midfield. Probablt a daft question, do you have any details of where those shots took place (inside the penalty area, from left side, etc) or where we concede goals?
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Post by Jomo on Mar 10, 2021 9:38:17 GMT
So spent a bit of time tidying it up a bit, hopefully makes for a nice read. Also added a few more bits based on feedback within this thread. Enjoy! View AttachmentUp the stats... Up the Gas! Interesting there are fewer shots against us under JB by some margin. Could be an indication of opposition or that we are set up to defend further up the pitch, tackling from midfield. Probablt a daft question, do you have any details of where those shots took place (inside the penalty area, from left side, etc) or where we concede goals? Yep, very interesting, although as with all stats of this nature, you do have to take them with a pinch of salt and try to understand other underlying factors that may have affected the stats. It does seem to me though that under JB, the players have been showing a lot more urgency and energy for the high press, which reduces opposition's chance creation and increases ours. Under Tisdale it just seemed to be too chaotic, and under Garner the tempo was too slow, and often attacks would fizzle out before they had really even begun, with possession inevitably being lost in our own half. This would have led to more shots against and fewer shots of our own.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 10, 2021 9:39:49 GMT
So spent a bit of time tidying it up a bit, hopefully makes for a nice read. Also added a few more bits based on feedback within this thread. Enjoy! View AttachmentUp the stats... Up the Gas! Interesting there are fewer shots against us under JB by some margin. Could be an indication of opposition or that we are set up to defend further up the pitch, tackling from midfield. Probablt a daft question, do you have any details of where those shots took place (inside the penalty area, from left side, etc) or where we concede goals? Hey buddy - sorry I don't not with the free data stuff from the 'Who scored' website
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Post by Jomo on Mar 10, 2021 9:47:08 GMT
Interesting there are fewer shots against us under JB by some margin. Could be an indication of opposition or that we are set up to defend further up the pitch, tackling from midfield. Probablt a daft question, do you have any details of where those shots took place (inside the penalty area, from left side, etc) or where we concede goals? Hey buddy - sorry I don't not with the free data stuff from the 'Who scored' website You should change your Gaschat user name to Statman or something, you're the master of it on here! Thanks for taking the time to present it to us, tis appreciated.
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Post by garystash on Mar 10, 2021 10:07:18 GMT
So spent a bit of time tidying it up a bit, hopefully makes for a nice read. Also added a few more bits based on feedback within this thread. Enjoy! View AttachmentUp the stats... Up the Gas! Thanks for that - really interesting. Confirms what I expected that we are better both defensively and as an attacking force. I wonder how JB's stats will look when his number of games is more comparative to BG and PT?
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 10, 2021 10:17:47 GMT
So spent a bit of time tidying it up a bit, hopefully makes for a nice read. Also added a few more bits based on feedback within this thread. Enjoy! View AttachmentUp the stats... Up the Gas! Thanks for that - really interesting. Confirms what I expected that we are better both defensively and as an attacking force. I wonder how JB's stats will look when his number of games is more comparative to BG and PT? i'll do my best to update it after each match mate, wont take long for Barton to get to 10-15 matches so we can then see - looking much brighter for sure Does anyone know the target points target we need for safety... i'll create a viz on that if I can
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 10, 2021 10:19:55 GMT
Hey buddy - sorry I don't not with the free data stuff from the 'Who scored' website You should change your Gaschat user name to Statman or something, you're the master of it on here! Thanks for taking the time to present it to us, tis appreciated. Thanks pal, I love it so knowing that some people also enjoy and appreciate it is a bonus! In terms of the name change I slightly amended the lyrics to skat man in my profile - can't remember which forum member gave me the idea... maybe Fargas? UTG
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Post by garystash on Mar 10, 2021 10:30:05 GMT
Thanks for that - really interesting. Confirms what I expected that we are better both defensively and as an attacking force. I wonder how JB's stats will look when his number of games is more comparative to BG and PT? i'll do my best to update it after each match mate, wont take long for Barton to get to 10-15 matches so we can then see - looking much brighter for sure Does anyone know the target points target we need for safety... i'll create a viz on that if I can Barton has mentioned 52pts as a target a few times.
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