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Post by axegas on Mar 22, 2021 15:09:36 GMT
I saw more from Ehmer in the right back role than I’ve seen from Williams so far. Whilst he’s never struck me as captain material and he’s made a few mistakes recently, Ehmer’s never been a particularly bad player for us IMO. Not the player we thought we were getting but an about average L1 defender nevertheless.
Just worry that this public dressing down of players by Barton is going to cause discontent in the changing room. Criticising is fine but singling out and humiliating doesn’t sit well with me.
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Post by percy on Mar 22, 2021 15:20:29 GMT
Long term certain players will thrive under Barton (noticed Jonah fist bumping him on the way onto the pitch pre-match). Young hungry players ready to give their all and learn from someone that has played at the top will do really well. My worry is the short term fall out. But nothing else has worked this season, so may as well try something!
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 22, 2021 15:29:04 GMT
Barton is just trying every strategy to pull some effort and passion from them all
Ehmer has been slung under the bus, that is JBs right as manager and I can’t hear many arguing with his assessment of the performances Ehmer has produced in the quarters
I think the squad voting for captain must be the most pansy slack jawed thing I’ve heard in a while
Sounds like how Ben Garners pat a cake club started off and a few think the club still exists
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Post by alanrg on Mar 22, 2021 15:40:29 GMT
Interesting regarding the comments from Joey about Ehmer is it no different to what Tisdale said about r strike force they were not up to it
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Post by Langford Gas on Mar 22, 2021 16:18:24 GMT
That is the most scathing public attack on a player I remember ever seeing from a manager of ours. I do agree with his assessment, but I don't think I agree with him coming out in public with it, it's certainly not the way I would manage. It's fine to think it and to say it to their face in private as to why they've been dropped, but airing it in public is only going to vilify him even more with the fans, and humiliate the player, which is totally unnecessary in my view. Not to mention it is a slight worry that he didn't get on with Max during their QPR days, and that he's carrying an adverse opinion of him because of that. I mean, Ehmer clearly did well at Gillingham and was their captain, so whatever is going on now needs to be eradicated without slamming his character in public. First thing I've seen from Barton so far that has worried me a bit. Perhaps he has exhausted all avenues ,nothing has worked and this is a last ditch attempt to mobilise Ehmer ?
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Post by peterparker on Mar 22, 2021 16:23:44 GMT
Interesting regarding the comments from Joey about Ehmer is it no different to what Tisdale said about r strike force they were not up to it You can criticise the players as a group, as a collective and say some things. Singling out and publicly calling out individuals is poor form. Tisdale was wrong to throw the young lads upfront under the bus amd Barton is wrong to throw Ehmer under the bus
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Mar 22, 2021 16:36:28 GMT
Every time I watched Gillingham play I would always single Ehmer out as the weakest link. I was really disappointed when we got rid of menyaise and Craig both better players than Ehmer. Before he came to rovers my opinion of him was he was slow, weak, not particularly great in the air and can't tackle,hes done nothing here with us to change my opinion. Of course I will get behind him if he plays but what a poor signing!
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 22, 2021 16:43:43 GMT
There is no harm in giving the likes of Otzumer, Daley, Tutonda, Walker etc a start. Even Little if you want to play a back four. Anssi is back in training so hopefully we will see him back soon. Hanlan is getting worse every week. I cant remember the last time he scored. I think Ehmer is done, although getting rid of him and other players under contract in the summer wont be easy. A big problem is loosing good players like Rodman and Nicholson but even the form of other players have dropped. McCormick has been a shadow of himself since his sending off the other week. or perhaps signing for millwall
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Post by peterparker on Mar 22, 2021 16:45:27 GMT
Its one thing to call out the squad as a group and be robust about them in public, but when you start calling out individuals
The players (like any employee) have to trust the manager. If there are issues, you dont expect to be bad mouthed publicly, because if it happens to one, it could happen to any of them.
Why would you work for someone like that.
If you are poor, you are dropped and left out and eventually sold/released orwork your way back. That is all that needs to happen.
Ehmer is done at Rovers (maybe rightly so) but why should Ehmer give a f about about Barton or Rovers under him now when he says its his (JBs that is) job to build him back up, knowing he could be chucked under the bus at the next opportunity
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Post by slimbridgegas on Mar 22, 2021 16:47:27 GMT
TIME TO MAN-UP I’m with JB on his man-management style. It’s time to man up and get on with the job, No time for frail egos. All this pussy footing around and fannying around has got us nowhere in the last year.
Let’s see a bit of courage and tenacity in our team.
There are 30 points to play for so let’s get behind the players who are up for it. Let’s slaughter Swindon and get safe ASAP!!
Here’s a thought. I think Ollie Clarke would have really flourished under JB to be honest. Clearly Garner wasn’t the right manager for him.
UTG.
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 22, 2021 16:47:50 GMT
That is the most scathing public attack on a player I remember ever seeing from a manager of ours. I do agree with his assessment, but I don't think I agree with him coming out in public with it, it's certainly not the way I would manage. It's fine to think it and to say it to their face in private as to why they've been dropped, but airing it in public is only going to vilify him even more with the fans, and humiliate the player, which is totally unnecessary in my view. Not to mention it is a slight worry that he didn't get on with Max during their QPR days, and that he's carrying an adverse opinion of him because of that. I mean, Ehmer clearly did well at Gillingham and was their captain, so whatever is going on now needs to be eradicated without slamming his character in public. First thing I've seen from Barton so far that has worried me a bit. Perhaps he wants him to leave?
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 22, 2021 16:49:10 GMT
Interesting regarding the comments from Joey about Ehmer is it no different to what Tisdale said about r strike force they were not up to it You can criticise the players as a group, as a collective and say some things. Singling out and publicly calling out individuals is poor form. Tisdale was wrong to throw the young lads upfront under the bus amd Barton is wrong to throw Ehmer under the bus That's a very busy bus!!
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Post by theduke on Mar 22, 2021 17:02:15 GMT
That is the most scathing public attack on a player I remember ever seeing from a manager of ours. I do agree with his assessment, but I don't think I agree with him coming out in public with it, it's certainly not the way I would manage. It's fine to think it and to say it to their face in private as to why they've been dropped, but airing it in public is only going to vilify him even more with the fans, and humiliate the player, which is totally unnecessary in my view. Not to mention it is a slight worry that he didn't get on with Max during their QPR days, and that he's carrying an adverse opinion of him because of that. I mean, Ehmer clearly did well at Gillingham and was their captain, so whatever is going on now needs to be eradicated without slamming his character in public. First thing I've seen from Barton so far that has worried me a bit. I agree to an extent but he’s had the weekend to think about what he’s saying in this press conference this morning so there’s no doubt it is a highly calculated move. High risk, as has been mentioned. Ehmer was voted captain by the other players. so was clearly a popular choice. By the way, what an amateurish way to select the captain of the club! Barton is trying to get some passion into the players, even if they end up hating him for a bit, and who knows, it might just work. From his point of view three managers have tried a lot of methods that haven’t worked so he probably feels he needs to get a bit unconventional. I do feel for Ehmer. It’s going to be extremely hard to come back from that whilst he’s with us. I feel more for the fans who have been forced to watch Ehmer play this season. That being said I do agree that it should have been kept behind closed doors, though hard to disagree with anything Barton said.
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Post by rosssgb on Mar 22, 2021 17:47:32 GMT
Calling a spade a spade.
Barton is setting his stall out and I’m all for it. Hopefully a few more will also be dropped and never play for us again. Simply not good enough and they also don’t give a f**k - hence why we’ll find ourselves in L2 next season.
Only hope is someone gives Wael a similar assessment on the job Widdrington has done/is doing. That cancer needs ridding from our club.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 22, 2021 17:49:14 GMT
I've never agreed with managers publicly lamenting players. Maybe it will work better at a lower level than the prem though as players haven't got so much power at our level.
That being said, I remember Ehmer's first interview and didn't take to him at all. Found him very nonchalant.
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 22, 2021 17:51:01 GMT
I've never agreed with managers publicly lamenting players. Maybe it will work better at a lower level than the prem though as players haven't got so much power at our level. That being said, I remember Ehmer's first interview and didn't take to him at all. Found him very nonchalant. his interview at the time was a topic on here on how he looked disinterested
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 22, 2021 17:52:59 GMT
I've never agreed with managers publicly lamenting players. Maybe it will work better at a lower level than the prem though as players haven't got so much power at our level. That being said, I remember Ehmer's first interview and didn't take to him at all. Found him very nonchalant. his interview at the time was a topic on here on how he looked disinterested Yep, I mentioned it at the time. Can't remember what others said.
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Post by socrates on Mar 22, 2021 17:56:00 GMT
This is where football finances has me scratching my head.... Hypothetically, If you buy an adult season ticket in the north terrace for 14 years, you have paid Bennett's wages for one week! When you put it like that , or any way you put it, its obscene isn't it? and the higher up the pyramid you go the more irrational it gets! And The highest earning players in the world earn In a week what league 2 players earn in their playing careers. It’s big business for sure , but then most popular sport is the same, American football , Golf , F1, Tennis etc
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Post by socrates on Mar 22, 2021 17:56:28 GMT
To be honest Bennett is no worse that half this squad He’d actually fit in. Clearly talented but no fight.
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Post by socrates on Mar 22, 2021 18:00:47 GMT
TIME TO MAN-UP I’m with JB on his man-management style. It’s time to man up and get on with the job, No time for frail egos. All this pussy footing around and fannying around has got us nowhere in the last year. Let’s see a bit of courage and tenacity in our team. There are 30 points to play for so let’s get behind the players who are up for it. Let’s slaughter Swindon and get safe ASAP!! Here’s a thought. I think Ollie Clarke would have really flourished under JB to be honest. Clearly Garner wasn’t the right manager for him. UTG. Yeah Barton would have liked Craig, Olly, Sinclair etc the type of players that although have limited technical ability always put in a shift and will get you over the line. Coughlan was the same and DC before him. Unfortunately the man most responsible for our demise is a kid, a coach , not a manager , never should have got the job and never should have kept it as long as he did.
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