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Post by trevorgas on Mar 22, 2021 21:19:44 GMT
It's gone Pete Tong since wonder why??
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Post by scottleroc on Mar 22, 2021 21:39:25 GMT
It was pretty brutal assessment but I can’t disagree with anything said. I think there is clearly something JB is seeing at training and it must be attitude related to be called out in such fashion. Like others I can’t see any way back for Ehmer but I think we have him a very good contract so will be difficult to shift on. I agree that we’ve had a couple of ‘nice’ managers and that certainly hasn’t resulted in a fighting spirit so let’s see how this lands with the squad. They might agree with JB now! It’s disgusting and disgraceful to pull someone to pieces like that in the media. It is unprofessional and totally embarrassing. Any conversations of this sort should be kept in house and private. Possibly and was probably a bit over the top but I do agree with the points made. I suppose it will either galvanise or damage morale. I don’t really have much sympathy for Ehmer but if He’d just been dropped he probably would have still got the message. Be interesting to see how everyone reacts tomorrow.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 22, 2021 23:40:54 GMT
Looks like desperate measures from JB. I think it’s a mistake. Call out the team in public but not individuals, that type of criticism should stay in the dressing room. No way back from that personal criticism. I only hope we don’t need Ehmer in the last few games. JB may be correct about Ehmer as a player and I guess he’s not saying anything that hasn’t been said on here this season but the way he’s gone about it is way off. Blimey this season goes from bad to worse. Need a win tomorrow to deflect from all this negative stuff. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 22, 2021 23:53:56 GMT
He’s slow , poor positioning , can’t direct a header to a Rovers shirt even unchallenged , and can’t pass the ball. Other than that he hasn’t been bad. Like I said he’s an average L1 centre back, if he was pacy and had brilliant positioning, he wouldn’t be with us, let’s be real. Think he’s a little bit better than what you give him credit for though. Honestly think he’s about level with Kilgour/Baldwin, though they both come with their flaws too. Need a big clear out in the CB department over the summer. Well axe I’d have agreed with you in the Summer about Ehmer being an average CH. He might have been for Gillingham but tbh he hasn’t even been average for us. I’d say had he been average we wouldn’t be where we are, he’s been well below average. But you’re right we do need to shift our some of our CHs in the Summer. If we go down I guess there will be a clear out of staff and if we stay up there will still be a clear out. But that will happen all over the pitch with JB as manager. Doesn’t seem the sort who likes an easy life! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 23, 2021 0:03:18 GMT
Sure go ahead say what you like don’t let me stop you, but if you resort to trying to belittle people who disagree with you, prepare to get called out about it. If your stats so comprehensively defend Garner, you don’t need to call people who think otherwise obsessed or question their intelligence, do you? Like i said. Engage with me fairly and politely and you get the same response. Slag people off, make stupid comments or belittle people and you get the same back. Coughlan, Garner, Ehmer, Ayunga, Westbrooke, Mesure, Grant etc etc etc I can go on, all have families, children and are trying their best for our club. These bitchy attacks of anyone need calling out and responding to. You’re coming over as a WUM. Axe doesn’t need me to stand up for him but he’s a completely fair and reasonable poster with reasonable views so to say he needs to engage with you politely is laughable. He posts in the right manner with everyone. You could make those comments about some but not axe. Get real, and when you’ve posted about something other than how good BG was perhaps you’d earn some respect on here. You can have an opinion but try and have one about something other than BG. That way others might listen. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 23, 2021 0:10:25 GMT
Seeing you're so good at looking up old posts maybe you could try to find a post where you have supported the club (not just BG)? No thanks. My time is precious.
I’ll concentrate on posting what I want Toni Blimey, it gets better and better! 😂😂😂 UTG!
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 23, 2021 7:17:53 GMT
I just searched Ehmer and found you on the second page. It took me 5 minutes. Just goes to show you are a bitchy, turncoat backstabber that has no real support for the club Even better from Axegas: or me I'd go for 4-2-3-1 and assuming Westbrooke signs on the dotted line: ................Jaakkola........... Hare...Ehmer...Kilgour..Leahy .........Grant.....Ogogo.......... Rodman.....Westbrooke....Nicholson ...................JCH..................... All we need now IMO is a left back and perhaps a winger and we've got a strong squad for next year. Not really sure what is bad about that line up. Ehmer hasn’t gelled with us fine but that looks like it would be pretty good team if you ask me
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 23, 2021 8:49:11 GMT
I have been very impressed with JB thus far but publicly shaming a player is not, IMHO , a good move and could have the opposite effect on the Squad to what JB intended. I like many others have been perplexed as to why Max's performances have not reached the level expected but the same can be said of Alfie, and one or two others, hope JB'S comments do not reflect negatively on tonight's game or the rest of season .
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 23, 2021 8:49:57 GMT
Like i said. Engage with me fairly and politely and you get the same response. Slag people off, make stupid comments or belittle people and you get the same back. Coughlan, Garner, Ehmer, Ayunga, Westbrooke, Mesure, Grant etc etc etc I can go on, all have families, children and are trying their best for our club. These bitchy attacks of anyone need calling out and responding to. You’re coming over as a WUM. Axe doesn’t need me to stand up for him but he’s a completely fair and reasonable poster with reasonable views so to say he needs to engage with you politely is laughable. He posts in the right manner with everyone. You could make those comments about some but not axe. Get real, and when you’ve posted about something other than how good BG was perhaps you’d earn some respect on here. You can have an opinion but try and have one about something other than BG. That way others might listen. UTG! That's a fair and balanced post if you're going to address the poster, not the post. With carlts, most of the posts contain conveyed information on individuals, not the club or the style of football; or the team progress/non team progress; or anything to make you think matches are watched or he/she attends.. So WUM does appear to be valid from everyone else's pov.
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Post by Gaswood on Mar 23, 2021 9:14:15 GMT
Even better from Axegas: or me I'd go for 4-2-3-1 and assuming Westbrooke signs on the dotted line: ................Jaakkola........... Hare...Ehmer...Kilgour..Leahy .........Grant.....Ogogo.......... Rodman.....Westbrooke....Nicholson ...................JCH..................... All we need now IMO is a left back and perhaps a winger and we've got a strong squad for next year. Not really sure what is bad about that line up. Ehmer hasn’t gelled with us fine but that looks like it would be pretty good team if you ask me I think his point is more around that lineup with a line below saying we need a left back and a winger, with no mention of a striker etc. That was how I’d read it.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 23, 2021 9:37:10 GMT
Not really sure what is bad about that line up. Ehmer hasn’t gelled with us fine but that looks like it would be pretty good team if you ask me I think his point is more around that lineup with a line below saying we need a left back and a winger, with no mention of a striker etc. That was how I’d read it. Oooh get ya. Well it does have JCH in I spose.
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Post by peterparker on Mar 23, 2021 10:01:51 GMT
I’m crystal clear in what needs to be done,” he said. “I almost feel like a surgeon who knows the operation, knows what parts of the patient need to be cut out, but there’s a time that it needs to be done and I’ve got to do that in the privacy of the operating theatre.
But Max Ehmer, he is Dam sh**
The second part might not be an actual quote
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 23, 2021 10:05:13 GMT
I’m crystal clear in what needs to be done,” he said. “I almost feel like a surgeon who knows the operation, knows what parts of the patient need to be cut out, but there’s a time that it needs to be done and I’ve got to do that in the privacy of the operating theatre. But Max Ehmer, he is f**king sh** The second part might not be an actual quote Lol The operation part gets the mind racing doesn't it. Does he mean just certain players, or coaching staff, academy set up, recruitment, board... how much power will or does he have? One thing is for certain, come summer, I'll be refreshing my twitter feed every 10 seconds and getting nothing else done thats for sure as new players and old come and go. In a previous thread I mentioned that 16 players are due to leave if loans are not extended and contract not renewed, possibly more from the DS or youth set ups.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 23, 2021 10:14:55 GMT
I’m crystal clear in what needs to be done,” he said. “I almost feel like a surgeon who knows the operation, knows what parts of the patient need to be cut out, but there’s a time that it needs to be done and I’ve got to do that in the privacy of the operating theatre. But Max Ehmer, he is f**king sh** The second part might not be an actual quote Lol The operation part gets the mind racing doesn't it. Does he mean just certain players, or coaching staff, academy set up, recruitment, board... how much power will or does he have? One thing is for certain, come summer, I'll be refreshing my twitter feed every 10 seconds and getting nothing else done thats for sure as new players and old come and go. In a previous thread I mentioned that 16 players are due to leave if loans are not extended and contract not renewed, possibly more from the DS or youth set ups. Rightly or wrongly, wouldn't wholesale changes be flying in the face of our new strategy for sustainability? Surely, to have any respectability whatsoever, the board have to stand by their vision, or it will just make them look incredibly incompetent?
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 23, 2021 10:18:09 GMT
I’m crystal clear in what needs to be done,” he said. “I almost feel like a surgeon who knows the operation, knows what parts of the patient need to be cut out, but there’s a time that it needs to be done and I’ve got to do that in the privacy of the operating theatre. But Max Ehmer, he is f**king sh** The second part might not be an actual quote Lol The operation part gets the mind racing doesn't it. Does he mean just certain players, or coaching staff, academy set up, recruitment, board... how much power will or does he have? One thing is for certain, come summer, I'll be refreshing my twitter feed every 10 seconds and getting nothing else done thats for sure as new players and old come and go. In a previous thread I mentioned that 16 players are due to leave if loans are not extended and contract not renewed, possibly more from the DS or youth set ups. [br not many if any of this squad will be in next years calender shoot
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 23, 2021 10:45:35 GMT
Lol The operation part gets the mind racing doesn't it. Does he mean just certain players, or coaching staff, academy set up, recruitment, board... how much power will or does he have? One thing is for certain, come summer, I'll be refreshing my twitter feed every 10 seconds and getting nothing else done thats for sure as new players and old come and go. In a previous thread I mentioned that 16 players are due to leave if loans are not extended and contract not renewed, possibly more from the DS or youth set ups. Rightly or wrongly, wouldn't wholesale changes be flying in the face of our new strategy for sustainability? Surely, to have any respectability whatsoever, the board have to stand by their vision, or it will just make them look incredibly incompetent? I still think you can live up to the vision. A lot of the outgoing/contract up crop of players are the more experienced (Little, Leahy, Bennett, Rodman, Upson, Davies, Day and Ozzy) . So you could maybe reduce that number and bring in more youngsters. I mean Joey will have a list and requirements no question and would definately be looking at the spine of the team. I guess one of the biggest query areas will be the LB/LWB slot. 1) Leahy, Captain, out of contract in summer but lead scorer and highest rated player on whoscored.com 2) Tutonda, instant fan favourite (ok not for everyone but is for me) 3) Koiki, big, strong, fast, raw with potential - will he want more first team? Thats why he left Burnley right? 4) Kelly, likeable, out of contract in summer, on loan to Yeovil probs the last we will see 5) Ryan Jones, Young wonder kid from W-S-M (ahem Ollie Watkins) Scouted by many a team. Could he blast onto the scene and get us a few million - too soon probably but that is how you do it. The younger the star player is the more you get for them. Thoughts?
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Post by Jomo on Mar 23, 2021 12:10:25 GMT
Rightly or wrongly, wouldn't wholesale changes be flying in the face of our new strategy for sustainability? Surely, to have any respectability whatsoever, the board have to stand by their vision, or it will just make them look incredibly incompetent? I still think you can live up to the vision. A lot of the outgoing/contract up crop of players are the more experienced (Little, Leahy, Bennett, Rodman, Upson, Davies, Day and Ozzy) . So you could maybe reduce that number and bring in more youngsters. I mean Joey will have a list and requirements no question and would definately be looking at the spine of the team. I guess one of the biggest query areas will be the LB/LWB slot. 1) Leahy, Captain, out of contract in summer but lead scorer and highest rated player on whoscored.com 2) Tutonda, instant fan favourite (ok not for everyone but is for me) 3) Koiki, big, strong, fast, raw with potential - will he want more first team? Thats why he left Burnley right? 4) Kelly, likeable, out of contract in summer, on loan to Yeovil probs the last we will see 5) Ryan Jones, Young wonder kid from W-S-M (ahem Ollie Watkins) Scouted by many a team. Could he blast onto the scene and get us a few million - too soon probably but that is how you do it. The younger the star player is the more you get for them. Thoughts? It's a tricky one, because the squad is lacking experience as it is, so losing yet more of it from the team would be a risk. I feel that we've transitioned too quickly into this new strategy, which is a big reason as to why we are where we are. The LB/LWB slot is a strange conundrum all of our own making, and has surely contributed to the imbalance of the squad, leaching too big a segment of the wage bill? All of our LB's apart from Kelly IMO who I didn't rate at all, will have strong cases to be included in next season's squad. But, we don't need them all. I'd be interested in trying Koiki further forward. He's got the raw attributes to make an impact there, and would relieve the overkill competition for the LB/LWB slot.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 23, 2021 12:37:36 GMT
I still think you can live up to the vision. A lot of the outgoing/contract up crop of players are the more experienced (Little, Leahy, Bennett, Rodman, Upson, Davies, Day and Ozzy) . So you could maybe reduce that number and bring in more youngsters. I mean Joey will have a list and requirements no question and would definately be looking at the spine of the team. I guess one of the biggest query areas will be the LB/LWB slot. 1) Leahy, Captain, out of contract in summer but lead scorer and highest rated player on whoscored.com 2) Tutonda, instant fan favourite (ok not for everyone but is for me) 3) Koiki, big, strong, fast, raw with potential - will he want more first team? Thats why he left Burnley right? 4) Kelly, likeable, out of contract in summer, on loan to Yeovil probs the last we will see 5) Ryan Jones, Young wonder kid from W-S-M (ahem Ollie Watkins) Scouted by many a team. Could he blast onto the scene and get us a few million - too soon probably but that is how you do it. The younger the star player is the more you get for them. Thoughts? It's a tricky one, because the squad is lacking experience as it is, so losing yet more of it from the team would be a risk. I feel that we've transitioned too quickly into this new strategy, which is a big reason as to why we are where we are. The LB/LWB slot is a strange conundrum all of our own making, and has surely contributed to the imbalance of the squad, leaching too big a segment of the wage bill? All of our LB's apart from Kelly IMO who I didn't rate at all, will have strong cases to be included in next season's squad. But, we don't need them all. I'd be interested in trying Koiki further forward. He's got the raw attributes to make an impact there, and would relieve the overkill competition for the LB/LWB slot. Yeah I get what you are saying bud. I think we can maybe use some of the wage budget from some of the experienced players that won't be offered a new contract on (debatable) 'on paper' better ore more experienced players (one example someone might use would be Upson > Ledley). Pretty sure Barton managed to bring in some real quality to the Fleetwood side during his tenure and no doubt some that didnt work out, like many recruitment teams in many leagues. I still think we can strike that balance. I think as you suggested we tried to do it all in one go and that back fired alot. Covid can't have helped at all. I know its the same for a lot of teams, but a lot of teams didn't have the massive turn over that we did. What ever happens next, its surely going to be a bit more interesting from here on in.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Mar 23, 2021 13:18:39 GMT
It will be interesting to see how Barton's comments about Ehmer is taken by the rest of the team, who ironically are the ones who voted for him as captain at the beginning of the season. Therefore Barton saying 'How can that be the leader" could be seen as a slap in the face to the others too and may backfire, although what is there to lose?
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 23, 2021 13:23:07 GMT
It will be interesting to see how Barton's comments about Ehmer is taken by the rest of the team, who ironically are the ones who voted for him as captain at the beginning of the season. Therefore Barton saying 'How can that be the leader" could be seen as a slap in the face to the others too and may backfire, although what is there to lose? True but also, they made the vote very early on and it would probably come down to how much of a Captain Leader Legend he has been away from the small widow us fans have been able to see of him. Some may welcome the decision cuz the vote may now have seems incorrect but at the time seemed right. (all before the season started i think)
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