BS6 Gas
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Ingrained Gashead, husband, dad, ex North Enclosure Eastville, Popular Side Twerton & now West Enclo
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Post by BS6 Gas on Jun 10, 2021 17:23:23 GMT
FFS Wael, grow some balls and just sack him. This Mr Nice Guy persona doesn’t work in football. You’re in effect continuing to pay someone who’s been influential in our demise over the past 3 seasons. As was mentioned earlier he is under contract so wael has taken the easy way out and found something else for him to do as opposed to paying him off in a lump sum. Widders could always have declined the offer. Garner &Tis we’re also under contract Lao I really don’t get your point
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Post by aghast on Jun 10, 2021 17:35:52 GMT
FFS Wael, grow some balls and just sack him. This Mr Nice Guy persona doesn’t work in football. You’re in effect continuing to pay someone who’s been influential in our demise over the past 3 seasons. As was mentioned earlier he is under contract so wael has taken the easy way out and found something else for him to do as opposed to paying him off in a lump sum. Widders could always have declined the offer. My thoughts too. He'll be after a new job now and will leave without compensation imho.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 10, 2021 18:24:54 GMT
If he wasn’t happy, he wouldn’t have accepted the new role??? So that suggests he would still help out, if Barton got sacked. He’s still a director. He’s still working with the club. So now sure why pride would come into it?? I've had jobs I've not been happy with but stuck with it to keep a roof over the family's heads. I guess it's no different for Tommy as he's not exactly going to walk into a similar job. I suspect if something reasonable did turn up then he'd be off. I assume TW had a good reputation in the game as up until this season he had done OK at both Coventry and Rovers, it's odd he's prepared to stay with us, unless he's just staying whilst he looks for a new job?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 10, 2021 18:27:25 GMT
If promotion is the minimum you’d expect what’s your maximum expectation?🙃 Champions. You sense some posters are getting ahead of themselves again! It'll be a massive job to virtually build a new squad from scratch.
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 10, 2021 18:31:37 GMT
You sense some posters are getting ahead of themselves again! It'll be a massive job to virtually build a new squad from scratch. I think some folk set unrealistic targets so they can moan like f**k when their latest target for criticism fails. Sadly. 🙁
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Post by Quarters on Jun 10, 2021 18:59:55 GMT
You sense some posters are getting ahead of themselves again! It'll be a massive job to virtually build a new squad from scratch. I think some folk set unrealistic targets so they can moan like f**k when their latest target for criticism fails. Sadly. 🙁 Sorry Barton has set himself up for this. He is instigating all this change. He has blamed many already. Therefore it is him setting expectations. He has said this is his aim therefore if he fails in getting promotion is he failing his own targets? What happens if we end the season with no chance of playoffs, do we have another reset?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 10, 2021 19:22:48 GMT
I think some folk set unrealistic targets so they can moan like f**k when their latest target for criticism fails. Sadly. 🙁 Sorry Barton has set himself up for this. He is instigating all this change. He has blamed many already. Therefore it is him setting expectations. He has said this is his aim therefore if he fails in getting promotion is he failing his own targets?
What happens if we end the season with no chance of playoffs, do we have another reset? Who cares what targets he's setting, after 3 or 4 years of watching rubbish at the Mem most of us would just be content to see some attractive winning football played for a change. I guess the JB haters are going to hate even watching that.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 10, 2021 19:40:08 GMT
It could be said that we’re putting all our eggs in one basket-case. Which managers have full control of recruitment? And by that I mean no chief scout, DoF to help them? Glad TW is gone but Wael should have sacked him and used his wages on getting someone with a good track record to assist JB. Now we’re just a one man show. It does seem a strange arrangement. If Wael wants to get rid of TW then he should and replace him. I would have thought we still need the role of HOR or head scout but someone in charge of and with full responsibility for recruitment. Clearly that role would work hand in hand with the manager. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 10, 2021 19:55:28 GMT
I don’t get the blood thirst for Widdrington getting sacked. It’s Wael having to fund it so if he values his contribution so be it. I am with you on this one Eric. Yes widdrington played his role in last seasons failings but so did everyone else involved with team. All 3 managers, widdrington, Starnes, the coaching staff and Wael himself. We don’t know the ins and outs and what goes on behind the scenes so if Wael decides widdrington is needed to be kept around the team and still in place on the board then that is what will happen. I just hope things can be pulled back together this coming season and we can get back to winning ways. If we don’t, we can expect another relegation fight on our hands Yes we know why we went down, players weren’t good enough and we didn’t score enough goals. And everyone connected to the team must take their own share of the responsibility for it and we don’t know the “ins and outs” and probably never will. You are right about Wael having the right to decide whatever he decides but I’m surprised that after our recruitment looking far more professional (ok it went wrong last summer but that happens) over the past few years he seems to have changed the system and not the personnel. I hope the faith that Wael is placing in JB is well placed and recruitment remains as good as it has been (last summer excepted). UTG!
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 10, 2021 19:59:05 GMT
I am with you on this one Eric. Yes widdrington played his role in last seasons failings but so did everyone else involved with team. All 3 managers, widdrington, Starnes, the coaching staff and Wael himself. We don’t know the ins and outs and what goes on behind the scenes so if Wael decides widdrington is needed to be kept around the team and still in place on the board then that is what will happen. I just hope things can be pulled back together this coming season and we can get back to winning ways. If we don’t, we can expect another relegation fight on our hands Yes we know why we went down, players weren’t good enough and we didn’t score enough goals. And everyone connected to the team must take their own share of the responsibility for it and we don’t know the “ins and outs” and probably never will. You are right about Wael having the right to decide whatever he decides but I’m surprised that after our recruitment looking far more professional (ok it went wrong last summer but that happens) over the past few years he seems to have changed the system and not the personnel. I hope the faith that Wael is placing in JB is well placed and recruitment remains as good as it has been (last summer excepted). UTG! The ins and outs are clear. Paul Tisdale said “I’m not a miracle worker” Wriddington immediately does a press conference saying he knows they’re good enough and a lot of work went into the research. Joey is appointed and makes derogatory comments about the recruitment. Tommy Wridlington is then made junior vice youth academy and tasked with shipping out the players he signed (and didn’t even get paid off) It’s completely clear the ins and outs of it.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 10, 2021 20:14:26 GMT
Yes we know why we went down, players weren’t good enough and we didn’t score enough goals. And everyone connected to the team must take their own share of the responsibility for it and we don’t know the “ins and outs” and probably never will. You are right about Wael having the right to decide whatever he decides but I’m surprised that after our recruitment looking far more professional (ok it went wrong last summer but that happens) over the past few years he seems to have changed the system and not the personnel. I hope the faith that Wael is placing in JB is well placed and recruitment remains as good as it has been (last summer excepted). UTG! The ins and outs are clear. Paul Tisdale said “I’m not a miracle worker” Wriddington immediately does a press conference saying he knows they’re good enough and a lot of work went into the research. Joey is appointed and makes derogatory comments about the recruitment. Tommy Wridlington is then made junior vice youth academy and tasked with shipping out the players he signed (and didn’t even get paid off) It’s completely clear the ins and outs of it. ...in your opinion. The only thing that was clear is we weren’t good enough. The in and outs and whose responsibility it was should be shared out but the arguments between the managers and others tell me that it depends on who you listen to. UTG!
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Post by pucklegas on Jun 10, 2021 20:15:46 GMT
Best for joey to be in charge with his staff, then no excuses in poker terms we are all in, hope this proves to be the right call, but is a ballsy decision.
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Post by Gasshole on Jun 10, 2021 20:21:38 GMT
Lets not forget, that Fox sh1t doesn’t pick itself up. HOFS
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 10, 2021 20:21:44 GMT
The ins and outs are clear. Paul Tisdale said “I’m not a miracle worker” Wriddington immediately does a press conference saying he knows they’re good enough and a lot of work went into the research. Joey is appointed and makes derogatory comments about the recruitment. Tommy Wridlington is then made junior vice youth academy and tasked with shipping out the players he signed (and didn’t even get paid off) It’s completely clear the ins and outs of it. ...in your opinion. The only thing that was clear is we weren’t good enough. The in and outs and whose responsibility it was should be shared out but the arguments between the managers and others tell me that it depends on who you listen to. UTG! If TW was blameless why does it appear that he's had any input into recruitment removed in his new role, it's effectively constructive dismissal if TW wanted to go down that route but it seems he's content to accept the downgrading of his role.
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Post by eastgas on Jun 10, 2021 20:23:03 GMT
I am with you on this one Eric. Yes widdrington played his role in last seasons failings but so did everyone else involved with team. All 3 managers, widdrington, Starnes, the coaching staff and Wael himself. We don’t know the ins and outs and what goes on behind the scenes so if Wael decides widdrington is needed to be kept around the team and still in place on the board then that is what will happen. I just hope things can be pulled back together this coming season and we can get back to winning ways. If we don’t, we can expect another relegation fight on our hands Yes we know why we went down, players weren’t good enough and we didn’t score enough goals. And everyone connected to the team must take their own share of the responsibility for it and we don’t know the “ins and outs” and probably never will. You are right about Wael having the right to decide whatever he decides but I’m surprised that after our recruitment looking far more professional (ok it went wrong last summer but that happens) over the past few years he seems to have changed the system and not the personnel. I hope the faith that Wael is placing in JB is well placed and recruitment remains as good as it has been (last summer excepted). UTG! past transfers and the work widdrington has done since his arrival is probably what has kept him in his job. As mad as this sounds I still don’t think the players recruited last summer are bad players. Individually and based on past performances we were all excited and happy. For me the issue wasn’t so much the players recruited it was the balance of the squad. A goal scorer or two signed last summer and we wouldn’t even be having these conversations IMO.
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Post by eastgas on Jun 10, 2021 20:29:15 GMT
...in your opinion. The only thing that was clear is we weren’t good enough. The in and outs and whose responsibility it was should be shared out but the arguments between the managers and others tell me that it depends on who you listen to. UTG! If TW was blameless why does it appear that he's had any input into recruitment removed in his new role, it's effectively constructive dismissal if TW wanted to go down that route but it seems he's content to accept the downgrading of his role. It’s a hard one to judge I think topper. Widdrington obviously isn’t blameless and the players recruited for me aren’t bad players. The fault was he allowed Ben Garner to put together such an unbalanced squad and we all had a feeling not signing a third striker with a proven record of scoring goals could bite us in the ass. I think his role in signing players has been taken away as JB wants full control of this department. JB is Waels man and if JB wants say in transfers Wael has given him that or risk losing him. It’s a gamble giving JB that much control but if Wael believes in him and believes it’s what’s right for BRFC then that’s his call. For what it’s worth I am a firm believer in a manger should have full control over all football matters
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 10, 2021 21:24:15 GMT
...in your opinion. The only thing that was clear is we weren’t good enough. The in and outs and whose responsibility it was should be shared out but the arguments between the managers and others tell me that it depends on who you listen to. UTG! If TW was blameless why does it appear that he's had any input into recruitment removed in his new role, it's effectively constructive dismissal if TW wanted to go down that route but it seems he's content to accept the downgrading of his role. I don’t disagree Topper, but I suspect that it’s been removed because JB wants full control, including recruitment. And atm Wael is prepared to do that at this time. That doesn’t necessarily mean Wael is blaming TW, just that in this reset JB is calling the tune. If Wael was blaming TW then quite possible he would have sacked him completely. That he hasn’t done that makes me think Wael is not completely certain about this direction and TW still being there gives some fall back position. The whole thing is slightly bizarre imo. UTG!
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 10, 2021 21:52:46 GMT
I don’t see what there is to get overly excited about here.
Most managers have a back room staff which they trust from coaching, scouting and recruitment and they all tend to move together. Clearly there is no room in the set up for Tommy and he’s hardly covered himself in glory this year and had very little defence for keeping his job role/title.
Joey is our gaffer and for him to do his job he needs full control.
We have tried the continuity thing of changing just the manager and keeping the set up and coaches in place and it hasn’t worked. If anything it made matters worse.
Let’s just give it a chance.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 11, 2021 5:22:12 GMT
The ins and outs are clear. Paul Tisdale said “I’m not a miracle worker” Wriddington immediately does a press conference saying he knows they’re good enough and a lot of work went into the research. Joey is appointed and makes derogatory comments about the recruitment. Tommy Wridlington is then made junior vice youth academy and tasked with shipping out the players he signed (and didn’t even get paid off) It’s completely clear the ins and outs of it. ...in your opinion. The only thing that was clear is we weren’t good enough. The in and outs and whose responsibility it was should be shared out but the arguments between the managers and others tell me that it depends on who you listen to. UTG! Everything I said were facts, not opinions. Everything you said were concerning opinions not facts, young Jedi. 😁
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Post by lympstonegas on Jun 11, 2021 6:32:19 GMT
You sense some posters are getting ahead of themselves again! It'll be a massive job to virtually build a new squad from scratch. I think some folk set unrealistic targets so they can moan like f**k when their latest target for criticism fails. Sadly. 🙁 Yep always a scapegoat at Rovers
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