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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 6, 2014 20:48:18 GMT
Will Hartlepool come in for DC again this week? If they I'm not to sure Id be too disappointed as DC seems to have run out of ideas away from home,. Bit harsh I think. We have been atrocious away from home for many years. We actually go to away games at least attempting to win. Last season it was play for 0-0. Then 1-0 etc etc. Teams aren't troubling us. If we are creating the chances, like it sounded like we were today, then it's not Clarkes fault if people don't take them. |
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Post by Raj Gas on Dec 6, 2014 20:51:12 GMT
Not a great result for us and we could have used a favour from Torquay, but they shot themselfs in the foot. The only difference between us and Barnet apart from nine points is goals it's also the reason we can't catch them. I think playoffs are now our most likely route to the league unless Barnet f**k up spectacularly. The trouble is we need goals to win the play offs, but we have invested in strikers and they need time to adjust, hope not too much though. Problem is we are not giving any of them time to develop a partnership., but probably more importantly Goldberg played today exactly like Matty Taylor does, drops far to deep, out wide but rarely in the box. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Dec 6, 2014 20:51:24 GMT
What summed him up was turning this club around after the worst season in our history. Get off his back ffs, he's doing a great job at the moment! A neutral might say the great job is being done by John Ward's defence of Mildenhall, Lockyer, McChrystal, Parkes and Brown. Darrell Clarke's midfield and attack seem to be the problem at the moment. That's not being negative but IMO honest. And the hallmark of our last four seasons of failure has been an unwillingness to make an honest assessment of our strengths and weaknesses. Well if you want to go down that path, it was Ward's midfield and Forwards that sent us down. |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 6, 2014 20:53:58 GMT
I will not deny the players were not good enough,and some of them did not seem interested,but as I said it was Clarke that got us in to this league, we were not in a relegation position when he took the job but were when the season finished.It was his fault.John Ward was not here so can not be blamed. I'm with tbone on this I must admit. If JW had hung on 8 more games I don't think we would have been relegated. I'm convinced Ward felt he'd done enough and I did too, yet somehow we f**ked it up. That said I think DC is doing ok, but clearly we need to improve. I've said all season, its midfield creativity that's our problem, not our strikers. We had lost 3 in 5 before Ward f**ked off, including the 4-0 mauling at Hartlepool. It was certainly a convenient time to step aside. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 20:56:05 GMT
I'm with tbone on this I must admit. If JW had hung on 8 more games I don't think we would have been relegated. I'm convinced Ward felt he'd done enough and I did too, yet somehow we f**ked it up. That said I think DC is doing ok, but clearly we need to improve. I've said all season, its midfield creativity that's our problem, not our strikers. We had lost 3 in 5 before Ward f**ked off, including the 4-0 mauling at Hartlepool. It was certainly a convenient time to step aside. I'm not denying that but I still firmly believe Ward would have kept us up. Especially on the last day. |
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Post by althepirate on Dec 6, 2014 21:11:46 GMT
We had lost 3 in 5 before Ward f**ked off, including the 4-0 mauling at Hartlepool. It was certainly a convenient time to step aside. I'm not denying that but I still firmly believe Ward would have kept us up. Especially on the last day. Why is it people firmly believe in something when they dont know the truth and when they know the truth they dont have to believe because they know. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 21:16:19 GMT
I'm not denying that but I still firmly believe Ward would have kept us up. Especially on the last day. Why is it people firmly believe in something when they dont know the truth and when they know the truth they dont have to believe because they know. I dont know. And I firmly believe that. Believe me. |
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Post by althepirate on Dec 6, 2014 21:17:57 GMT
Why is it people firmly believe in something when they dont know the truth and when they know the truth they dont have to believe because they know. I dont know. And I firmly believe that. Believe me. I believe you 'cos I dont know either. |
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Post by swissgas on Dec 6, 2014 21:33:16 GMT
A neutral might say the great job is being done by John Ward's defence of Mildenhall, Lockyer, McChrystal, Parkes and Brown. Darrell Clarke's midfield and attack seem to be the problem at the moment. That's not being negative but IMO honest. And the hallmark of our last four seasons of failure has been an unwillingness to make an honest assessment of our strengths and weaknesses. Well if you want to go down that path, it was Ward's midfield and Forwards that sent us down. Yes I agree but honestly has Darrell Clarke solved that problem ? We have a defence which could hold it's own in league 2 doing much more than holding it's own in the Conference. But the midfield and attack which was specifically recruited for the Conference is not performing at the expected level so I wouldn't say Darrell is doing a great job or that he is immune from criticism. IMO he is doing a good job in the circumstances and the circumstances are that he has significant pressure from the fans/board to meet expectations and he has, in the main, been forced to bring in players who are more adequate than outstanding. The players who may develop into outstanding players at this level, such as Balanta, Gosling, Harrison and Blissett, are going to need time and good coaching. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 6, 2014 21:45:26 GMT
I don't think a draw was a terrible result today. I only think it was a bad result because 1) Barnet won away to Torquay and 2) we didn't win our last away games to Alfreton and Wrexham.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 6, 2014 21:52:58 GMT
We had lost 3 in 5 before Ward f**ked off, including the 4-0 mauling at Hartlepool. It was certainly a convenient time to step aside. I'm not denying that but I still firmly believe Ward would have kept us up. Especially on the last day. On another day we would have won that game. We hit the bar twice. O'toole missed that sitter. I think we were going down whoever was in charge. The rot started long before Clarke got here. |
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Post by Gas4life!!! on Dec 6, 2014 21:57:27 GMT
I agree that our midfield don't create anywhere near as much as we would like,but our strikers have missed glorious opportunities in a lot of matches.One striker in particular has been a prolific misser of straightforward chances. . Taylor needs more chances to score than he should. That's why he is with us not a L1 team. His all round game is good. His strike rate to chances is poor. If we create more he will score more. Looking at our starting 11..... in all fairness its really only two conference players .... sinclair and blisset all the other were league players loanees from league clubs |
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 6, 2014 22:16:22 GMT
I can't believe that people say that Ward would have kept us up? Why..we were heading for the trap door in the last 5-6 games under Ward.He kopped out and left DC with a team that were low on confidence playing dour defensive football and we were past the transfer deadline. In truth if ward had have stayed we would probably have been relegated a week early. Its ok saying Ward might have got us a point off Mansfield but I am damn sure he wouldnt have got us the win at Wycombe the week before. Amazes me how people can come on here when a game is taking place and criticise players who they are not even watching based on something they havn't even seen-the Match.
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 6, 2014 22:25:12 GMT
How can Welling be "a difficult place to come"?! because they've only lost once at home? and that was late goal to the team who've led the div since august. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 6, 2014 23:42:03 GMT
Think Ollie will get the boot from Millwall? Losing 5-1 at home today. Would you have him ...... Didn't realise Clarke had gone to be honest. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 0:06:42 GMT
Clarke was obviously in charge at the end of the season, BUT in charge of a bunch of feckless useless barstewards who clearly weren't interested in playing for our club, in now way culpable for what happened. I will not deny the players were not good enough,and some of them did not seem interested,but as I said it was Clarke that got us in to this league, we were not in a relegation position when he took the job but were when the season finished.It was his fault.John Ward was not here so can not be blamed. Why do you keep stating that John Ward was not here when we were relegated? He WAS here. He left the club AFTER we were relegated. We all know that you like facts, well this is a fact so please try to acknowledge it and do not replace this fact with historical inaccuracies to support your argument. JW was our illustrious leader for 38 games and the took the position of Director of Football (DC's senior) for the remaining 8 games. Ward masterminded our demise over the season and moved upstairs to provide guidance and support for our new young manager. The season is played over 46 games and Ward was involved as the senior man for all of them. John Ward screwed up royally (right up to and including relegation day) and thankfully we have a passionate young enthusiastic manager who is trying damn hard to put things right. |
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Post by markczgas on Dec 7, 2014 0:18:50 GMT
I will not deny the players were not good enough,and some of them did not seem interested,but as I said it was Clarke that got us in to this league, we were not in a relegation position when he took the job but were when the season finished.It was his fault.John Ward was not here so can not be blamed. Why do you keep stating that John Ward was not here when we were relegated? He WAS here. He left the club AFTER we were relegated. We all know that you like facts, well this is a fact so please try to acknowledge it and do not replace this fact with historical inaccuracies to support your argument. JW was our illustrious leader for 38 games and the took the position of Director of Football (DC's senior) for the remaining 8 games. Ward masterminded our demise over the season and moved upstairs to provide guidance and support for our new young manager. The season is played over 46 games and Ward was involved as the senior man for all of them. John Ward screwed up royally (right up to and including relegation day) and thankfully we have a passionate young enthusiastic manager who is trying damn hard to put things right. The board will be delighted with your comments. Can we blame John Ward for the other three seasons before that too ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 0:43:39 GMT
Why do you keep stating that John Ward was not here when we were relegated? He WAS here. He left the club AFTER we were relegated. We all know that you like facts, well this is a fact so please try to acknowledge it and do not replace this fact with historical inaccuracies to support your argument. JW was our illustrious leader for 38 games and the took the position of Director of Football (DC's senior) for the remaining 8 games. Ward masterminded our demise over the season and moved upstairs to provide guidance and support for our new young manager. The season is played over 46 games and Ward was involved as the senior man for all of them. John Ward screwed up royally (right up to and including relegation day) and thankfully we have a passionate young enthusiastic manager who is trying damn hard to put things right. The board will be delighted with your comments. Can we blame John Ward for the other three seasons before that too ? My comments were in response to the attacks on DC as he was being blamed for our relegation. I place most of the blame for our relegation with JW. Events at the club prior to his arrival can hardly be blamed on John Ward, I think you can see that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 8:02:35 GMT
I think JW and DC were both crap last season
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 8:55:51 GMT
The board will be delighted with your comments. Can we blame John Ward for the other three seasons before that too ? My comments were in response to the attacks on DC as he was being blamed for our relegation. I place most of the blame for our relegation with JW. Events at the club prior to his arrival can hardly be blamed on John Ward, I think you can see that. Please don't mistake my comment that I think Ward would have kept us up as an attack on DC. I agree that most of the damage was already done and not letting DC have a Window was criminal. I don't blame DC for taking us down and I fully support him now. I think he is a very promising young manager and well worth sticking with. |
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