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Post by Quarters on Oct 3, 2021 16:13:33 GMT
Re players at other clubs. Ehmer and Tutonda both played in Gillingham back four last couple games. Ayunga, back from injury, scored yesterday. Hanlon has scored 1 in 6 games. Daly has been quiet, not sure what the story is. Views on players will always differ but really you think Ayunga would not have been a better option than Pitman. I definitely DO think Ayunga would have been a better option than Pitman. It's Bridgewatergas who disagrees and thinks r Joey should continue shredding this club from top to bottom into the sh1tter. Sorry, was replying to his post suggesting everyone we let go is not very good.
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Post by mj on Oct 3, 2021 16:22:54 GMT
with my tin hat on I would keep Jb until the end of November or until a conviction not because I like him but for the following reasons 1 He signed the players,they wanted to play for him,even though they are underperforming would they do better for anyone else? 2 Injuries have prevented him from getting a settled side 3 If when these players arefit things do not improve then a new man in december would have time to assess squad before the window opens Our biggest mistake was not spending the Hanlon money on a striker but that decision might have been taken by the board leaving JB scraping the barrel before deadline day At some stage we have to give a manager time like we did DC
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Post by Quarters on Oct 3, 2021 17:02:46 GMT
with my tin hat on I would keep Jb until the end of November or until a conviction not because I like him but for the following reasons 1 He signed the players,they wanted to play for him,even though they are underperforming would they do better for anyone else? 2 Injuries have prevented him from getting a settled side 3 If when these players arefit things do not improve then a new man in december would have time to assess squad before the window opens Our biggest mistake was not spending the Hanlon money on a striker but that decision might have been taken by the board leaving JB scraping the barrel before deadline day At some stage we have to give a manager time like we did DC JB stated he had the backing of the board for transfers. He also said he turned down one that he regretted. Remember we ar L2, so having a bit of cash does not mean someone wants to come here. Yup we seem to have injuries, because of other people according to JB! Nicholson appears to miss games thru injury, probably because he attracts attention. Leon Clarke was a risk with his hamstring. Rodman seems to get a few injuries. Trevor Clarke, seems unlucky, we still have to see him. Grant and Martinez, no news. Ansii an other seems to get a few knocks. Who else?
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Post by bobbyjones on Oct 3, 2021 17:37:20 GMT
What on earth are you talking about? Debts to HMRC is probably the most common cause of football clubs going into administration. You said Chester had a dodgy owner - what's your basis for saying that? What about Charlton Athletic and what's going on with them at the moment? Are they a small northern club with dodgy owners? I just gave a link to Chester's former owner? I've no idea what's going on at Charlton as I no longer follow L1 football, what's going on which is so bad, I thought like Swindon's, the fans all liked their new owners? You have no idea what is going on anywhere. The Quarters you say Wael spent £5m without PP and now it could be knocked back. You just love trying to belittle others and think you believe you are always right. You should be a ships mooring. Bye.
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Post by miltongas on Oct 3, 2021 17:38:53 GMT
He needs to go. It hasn’t worked. Sometimes it doesn’t. Draw a line under it and move on
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Post by bobbyjones on Oct 3, 2021 17:43:23 GMT
The footings for the extensions were put in during the original build - there will be no need “to virtually knock it down and start again”. At present it's T shaped, the new design is a square shape, so it's going to take a big rebuild as I assume at least the l part of the T will have to be knocked down and rebuilt, unless the present exterior walls can become internal walls? Regardless it personally seems poor planning to me. More of our money gone on nothing.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 3, 2021 18:08:57 GMT
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." Oh god, was fearing this told you so sort of stuff. Wael has been fooled by 3 managers then, Garner, Tisdale and Barton. Who do you suggest is next up? Wasn't intended as 'I told you so.' I was talking about Wael. Istm the vast majority of those who backed JB when he first came here (as I did) are now not backing him (as I don't), because they gave him a chance and he has been found wanting. I don't think many have been fooled. Every manager who comes in we give him a chance, coz that's the right thing to do, and sometimes he does well and sometimes he doesn't. But I feel like (and I might be wrong) that Wael has been fooled by JB's bullshit, and that's why he's still here. As for the other two, he sacked them, didn't he?
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Post by bally144 on Oct 3, 2021 18:20:12 GMT
Wael- in all your years of business you will never have received a better offer. Bite Barton's hand off. Any decent manager will be able to get a lot more out of these players than Barton can.
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Post by Gassy on Oct 3, 2021 18:25:19 GMT
So you're saying you know better than all those different league one managers who have bought those players? Gotcha. And in answer to your question why did I call you and purdownpoacher out - the simple fact that you were the two people who I had discourse with in that thread. I'm not really sure why you think holding you to account for the things you've said on this forum is some intolerable act of cruelty and aggression. You said what you said - own it - be prepared for people with different opinions to challenge you on it. If being challenged on things you've said on football forums is something which causes you distress or upset then perhaps posting on football forums isn't the pastime for you. Re players at other clubs. Ehmer and Tutonda both played in Gillingham back four last couple games. Ayunga, back from injury, scored yesterday. Hanlon has scored 1 in 6 games. Daly has been quiet, not sure what the story is. Views on players will always differ but really you think Ayunga would not have been a better option than Pitman. FWIW I spoke to a couple of Gills fans the other week and they think Tutonda is the worst player they’ve had in years. Ehmer apparently back to his usual best with them
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2021 18:27:35 GMT
I just gave a link to Chester's former owner? I've no idea what's going on at Charlton as I no longer follow L1 football, what's going on which is so bad, I thought like Swindon's, the fans all liked their new owners? You have no idea what is going on anywhere. The Quarters you say Wael spent £5m without PP and now it could be knocked back.You just love trying to belittle others and think you believe you are always right. You should be a ships mooring. Bye. The £5m includes the additional building work, it's not me who feels it should be "knocked back" the club itself is applying for pp to do the complete re-design. Although as you think Lansdown is paying for it what does it matter to you what it costs anyway? Asking what's going on now at Chartlon, I can't even find anything online, is hardly belittling anybody.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Oct 3, 2021 18:31:54 GMT
So you're saying you know better than all those different league one managers who have bought those players? Gotcha. And in answer to your question why did I call you and purdownpoacher out - the simple fact that you were the two people who I had discourse with in that thread. I'm not really sure why you think holding you to account for the things you've said on this forum is some intolerable act of cruelty and aggression. You said what you said - own it - be prepared for people with different opinions to challenge you on it. If being challenged on things you've said on football forums is something which causes you distress or upset then perhaps posting on football forums isn't the pastime for you. Re players at other clubs. Ehmer and Tutonda both played in Gillingham back four last couple games. Ayunga, back from injury, scored yesterday. Hanlon has scored 1 in 6 games. Daly has been quiet, not sure what the story is. Views on players will always differ but really you think Ayunga would not have been a better option than Pitman. We knew what we were getting with Pitman. All about end product and to be fair to him, without those two assists last week we would have probably lost at Walsall too. He can and will contribute but you wouldn’t want to be hanging your hat on him to start every game and essentially that’s what we are doing. It was madness not to have kept one of Hanlan or Ayunga.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2021 18:34:03 GMT
with my tin hat on I would keep Jb until the end of November or until a conviction not because I like him but for the following reasons 1 He signed the players,they wanted to play for him,even though they are underperforming would they do better for anyone else? 2 Injuries have prevented him from getting a settled side 3 If when these players arefit things do not improve then a new man in december would have time to assess squad before the window opens Our biggest mistake was not spending the Hanlon money on a striker but that decision might have been taken by the board leaving JB scraping the barrel before deadline day At some stage we have to give a manager time like we did DC JB stated he had the backing of the board for transfers. He also said he turned down one that he regretted. Remember we ar L2, so having a bit of cash does not mean someone wants to come here. Yup we seem to have injuries, because of other people according to JB! Nicholson appears to miss games thru injury, probably because he attracts attention. Leon Clarke was a risk with his hamstring. Rodman seems to get a few injuries. Trevor Clarke, seems unlucky, we still have to see him. Grant and Martinez, no news. Ansii an other seems to get a few knocks. Who else? Rodman's broke bones in his foot so hardly age related? Thomas out for up to a month Hughes also out for a month Excluding Jaakola and Martinez that's 7 outfield players out of 20 first team squad players missing, only Clarke seemed to be a dodgy signing, fitness wise but managed to train with us for 3 weeks before he signed w/o any apparent issues.
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Post by cj on Oct 3, 2021 18:35:47 GMT
with my tin hat on I would keep Jb until the end of November or until a conviction not because I like him but for the following reasons 1 He signed the players,they wanted to play for him,even though they are underperforming would they do better for anyone else? 2 Injuries have prevented him from getting a settled side 3 If when these players arefit things do not improve then a new man in december would have time to assess squad before the window opens Our biggest mistake was not spending the Hanlon money on a striker but that decision might have been taken by the board leaving JB scraping the barrel before deadline day At some stage we have to give a manager time like we did DC 1, If they are under performing for JB then there is room for improvement with a manager who can do better to get the best from these players. JB seems intent to play a certain formation and tactics, a new manager could change this which could suit the players more which could get the players performing. Also, there are many managerial changes throughout the season and you often see players improve for a new manager. 2, Same for every club. 3, These players may never be fit. Example, Nicholson could come back and then get injured in training and be out for another 3 months. Do we keep giving JB time because the players keep getting injured and therefore JB never has a settled squad?
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 3, 2021 18:48:56 GMT
Yes i stick to my opinion and it seems so does Wael. Tell me how well all these players in higher divisions are getting on as I certainly haven't been hearing of rave reviews of them and what a massive mistake we made letting them go. Still haven't answered why the need to call me out in particular as I was not the only one with this opinion. People like you are why people walk away from this forum as if we don't agree with your view we are wrong and clueless. And I was a Garner fan who could see what the plan was but got shot down by many who also said he should never manage again. I didnt feel the need to call any of them out and won't as I don't believe in trying to belittle others to make me feel the big man. So you're saying you know better than all those different league one managers who have bought those players? Gotcha. And in answer to your question why did I call you and purdownpoacher out - the simple fact that you were the two people who I had discourse with in that thread. I'm not really sure why you think holding you to account for the things you've said on this forum is some intolerable act of cruelty and aggression. You said what you said - own it - be prepared for people with different opinions to challenge you on it. If being challenged on things you've said on football forums is something which causes you distress or upset then perhaps posting on football forums isn't the pastime for you. I own everything I have said on it and firmly stick by it. What I am asking is why the need to call people out because they disagree with your viewpoint as this was said along time ago and it seems that you just want to stir to say i told you so and im right and you are wrong. It seems Wael is still firmly in the JB camp and if so then surely he must be seeing something that we are not and at the end 9f the day that who matters most not Billy big balls on Gaschat. Again still not really answered many of my questions and where have I said I know better than other league 1 managers I asked who has been shining in league 1 since they left us and it was a massive mistake to let them go as I have not heard that many have. Or do they need more time to settle into there new club and surroundings?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 3, 2021 20:39:58 GMT
Exactly Bridgwater - and why are you and myself The big villains ; plenty at that time with similar views ! Utg 💙
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Post by LJG on Oct 3, 2021 20:58:02 GMT
So you're saying you know better than all those different league one managers who have bought those players? Gotcha. And in answer to your question why did I call you and purdownpoacher out - the simple fact that you were the two people who I had discourse with in that thread. I'm not really sure why you think holding you to account for the things you've said on this forum is some intolerable act of cruelty and aggression. You said what you said - own it - be prepared for people with different opinions to challenge you on it. If being challenged on things you've said on football forums is something which causes you distress or upset then perhaps posting on football forums isn't the pastime for you. I own everything I have said on it and firmly stick by it. What I am asking is why the need to call people out because they disagree with your viewpoint as this was said along time ago and it seems that you just want to stir to say i told you so and im right and you are wrong. It seems Wael is still firmly in the JB camp and if so then surely he must be seeing something that we are not and at the end 9f the day that who matters most not Billy big balls on Gaschat. Again still not really answered many of my questions and where have I said I know better than other league 1 managers I asked who has been shining in league 1 since they left us and it was a massive mistake to let them go as I have not heard that many have. Or do they need more time to settle into there new club and surroundings? Well the answer to your question about the league one players has been answered above by another poster. Plenty doing well. Again, I don't really see what the issue is with me challenging you on the things you've said. You seem not to be denying you've said it. You seem not to have changed your mind. So, why are you so upset that I'm challenging it? Is it because it's clearly a totally indefensible position to take? What with the fact that not only did we know how sh1t Barton was at his job at the time, not only did we know he was bad mouthing the club in the press, that he blamed everyone but himself, that he talked sh1t about players in the press, that he had a gambling problem, that he had an unanswered assault charge. Not only do we know all of that now, we also know he's recruited a load of rubbish and he's got ten points from ten games with his own squad. Knowing all of that you STILL think it's a good idea to allow him to control the club from top to bottom and somehow I'm the bad guy for having the temerity to question that pearl of wisdom. Also, there's no need for the personal "billy big bollox" stuff is there?
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Post by LJG on Oct 3, 2021 20:59:14 GMT
Exactly Bridgwater - and why are you and myself The big villains ; plenty at that time with similar views ! Utg 💙 Like I said, you were the two people I had interacted with on that thread. I'm still not clear on what terrible social faux pas I'm committing by reminding you that you've said something that you've said.
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Post by LJG on Oct 3, 2021 21:05:43 GMT
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." Oh god, was fearing this told you so sort of stuff. Wael has been fooled by 3 managers then, Garner, Tisdale and Barton. Who do you suggest is next up? Why should anyone not have a right to say I told you so? I've always thought that extraordinarily British that when vindicated in something that person shouldn't have a right for people to acknowledge that vindication.
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Post by singupgas on Oct 3, 2021 21:15:03 GMT
Oh god, was fearing this told you so sort of stuff. Wael has been fooled by 3 managers then, Garner, Tisdale and Barton. Who do you suggest is next up? Why should anyone not have a right to say I told you so? I've always thought that extraordinarily British that when vindicated in something that person shouldn't have a right for people to acknowledge that vindication. Not that I think Antonio was, but nobody likes a smug dickhead 🙂
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Post by LJG on Oct 3, 2021 21:25:08 GMT
Why should anyone not have a right to say I told you so? I've always thought that extraordinarily British that when vindicated in something that person shouldn't have a right for people to acknowledge that vindication. Not that I think Antonio was, but nobody likes a smug dickhead 🙂 That's sort of my point. Why is saying I told you so smug dickheadery? Why isn't ignoring prudent caution ignorant duckheadery?
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