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Post by pirate on Oct 3, 2021 21:30:43 GMT
Not that I think Antonio was, but nobody likes a smug dickhead 🙂 That's sort of my point. Why is saying I told you so smug dickheadery? Why isn't ignoring prudent caution ignorant duckheadery? tinyurl.com/y9j926x3
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Post by axegas on Oct 3, 2021 21:31:16 GMT
Not that I think Antonio was, but nobody likes a smug dickhead 🙂 That's sort of my point. Why is saying I told you so smug dickheadery? Why isn't ignoring prudent caution ignorant duckheadery? I think it depends on the way you say “I told you so”. Sometimes bringing up past views adds to a conversation, sometimes it doesn’t.
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Post by biggles on Oct 3, 2021 21:35:37 GMT
st joey lives!
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Post by oldie on Oct 3, 2021 22:22:10 GMT
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." Oh god, was fearing this told you so sort of stuff. Wael has been fooled by 3 managers then, Garner, Tisdale and Barton. Who do you suggest is next up? Fear not. Just not anyone with a track record like Barton
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Post by gasify on Oct 3, 2021 22:23:39 GMT
Topper you really need to learn to read people's posts before automatically hitting the quote button to disagree with what they've said then bashing out some sh1te you've misunderstood from Google. The point was made that the best course of action for the club is to stabilise it as a good league one club with a good league one ground. I pointed out that failure to do that in whatever tier of the football pyramid is a principal reason for clubs failing. There are tens of examples. Even Wimbledon right before the MK move is a good example. You started talking all this nonsense about it only happens to small northern clubs with dodgy owners. (Bury's average attendance in 18/19 wasn't much below what Rovers is now by the way). I've said nothing about comparing Wael to Reynolds. We've all got POV but none of us know what Wael's planning stadium wise, if he's planning anything at all. What seems to be clear is that he wanted us back in L1 next season. Whatever that cost him financially.We also don't have a clue where he's getting the money from to finance the club or just how much he's prepared to spend in the long term. I'm not sure that is correct. Didn't JB say that he has taken ÂŁ800k off the wage bill? I don't know what that equates to in players, assuming ÂŁ3k a week gets a decent player then that is 5 decent players we have missed out on...
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Post by gasify on Oct 3, 2021 22:28:40 GMT
with my tin hat on I would keep Jb until the end of November or until a conviction not because I like him but for the following reasons 1 He signed the players,they wanted to play for him,even though they are underperforming would they do better for anyone else? 2 Injuries have prevented him from getting a settled side 3 If when these players arefit things do not improve then a new man in december would have time to assess squad before the window opens Our biggest mistake was not spending the Hanlon money on a striker but that decision might have been taken by the board leaving JB scraping the barrel before deadline day At some stage we have to give a manager time like we did DC 1) The players don't look like they are playing for him. Quite the opposite. 2) Every manager gets injuries. BG had them. The key to a successful squad is being able to cover injuries. 3) A new manager now could reignite the spark in the players. Then be very selective in the Jan transfer window.
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Post by gaschat on Oct 3, 2021 22:53:34 GMT
We've all got POV but none of us know what Wael's planning stadium wise, if he's planning anything at all. What seems to be clear is that he wanted us back in L1 next season. Whatever that cost him financially.We also don't have a clue where he's getting the money from to finance the club or just how much he's prepared to spend in the long term. I'm not sure that is correct. Didn't JB say that he has taken £800k off the wage bill? I don't know what that equates to in players, assuming £3k a week gets a decent player then that is 5 decent players we have missed out on... Personally, I wouldn’t believe a word he says on any subject, anytime.
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Post by aghast on Oct 3, 2021 23:04:56 GMT
I am wondering what all the backroom and managerial and consulting and boardroom people are thinking as we slither into a relegation slot.
Are they all on board with Wael's view that Joey is the man for us? And look to the future in a positive, if unlikely way?
Are they scared to speak out in case Joey gives them a knuckle sandwich?
Are they worried that Wael will sack them if they stray from the party line of....well, saying nothing, ever?
Are they biding their time until:
a) we go on a winning run and it's all ok after all; b) JB is sacked and they can then say they never liked him anyway?
There must, there just MUST, be a lot of discontent, or at least misgivings, behind closed doors, but of course we don't hear about it.
My head is reeling from all that is going on at the moment. That might be the Malbec, but I'll still be reeling in the morning. I just don't understand the management of the club at all.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 3, 2021 23:31:26 GMT
I am wondering what all the backroom and managerial and consulting and boardroom people are thinking as we slither into a relegation slot. Are they all on board with Wael's view that Joey is the man for us? And look to the future in a positive, if unlikely way? Are they scared to speak out in case Joey gives them a knuckle sandwich? Are they worried that Wael will sack them if they stray from the party line of....well, saying nothing, ever? Are they biding their time until: a) we go on a winning run and it's all ok after all; b) JB is sacked and they can then say they never liked him anyway? There must, there just MUST, be a lot of discontent, or at least misgivings, behind closed doors, but of course we don't hear about it. My head is reeling from all that is going on at the moment. That might be the Malbec, but I'll still be reeling in the morning. I just don't understand the management of the club at all. Probably Stockholm Syndrome.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 4, 2021 3:57:57 GMT
I own everything I have said on it and firmly stick by it. What I am asking is why the need to call people out because they disagree with your viewpoint as this was said along time ago and it seems that you just want to stir to say i told you so and im right and you are wrong. It seems Wael is still firmly in the JB camp and if so then surely he must be seeing something that we are not and at the end 9f the day that who matters most not Billy big balls on Gaschat. Again still not really answered many of my questions and where have I said I know better than other league 1 managers I asked who has been shining in league 1 since they left us and it was a massive mistake to let them go as I have not heard that many have. Or do they need more time to settle into there new club and surroundings? Well the answer to your question about the league one players has been answered above by another poster. Plenty doing well. Again, I don't really see what the issue is with me challenging you on the things you've said. You seem not to be denying you've said it. You seem not to have changed your mind. So, why are you so upset that I'm challenging it? Is it because it's clearly a totally indefensible position to take? What with the fact that not only did we know how sh1t Barton was at his job at the time, not only did we know he was bad mouthing the club in the press, that he blamed everyone but himself, that he talked sh1t about players in the press, that he had a gambling problem, that he had an unanswered assault charge. Not only do we know all of that now, we also know he's recruited a load of rubbish and he's got ten points from ten games with his own squad. Knowing all of that you STILL think it's a good idea to allow him to control the club from top to bottom and somehow I'm the bad guy for having the temerity to question that pearl of wisdom. Also, there's no need for the personal "billy big bollox" stuff is there? The issue is that you’re so far up your own backside you can’t see that you’re becoming the forum bully. You say that you’ve singled those two posters out because you had a discussion with them on one thread. How convenient that they happen to be two of the more mild mannered posters on here. Perfect for a bully who likes to lord it over everybody who doesn’t agree with him. No wonder the number of decent posters is diminishing.
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Post by oldie on Oct 4, 2021 6:07:26 GMT
Well the answer to your question about the league one players has been answered above by another poster. Plenty doing well. Again, I don't really see what the issue is with me challenging you on the things you've said. You seem not to be denying you've said it. You seem not to have changed your mind. So, why are you so upset that I'm challenging it? Is it because it's clearly a totally indefensible position to take? What with the fact that not only did we know how sh1t Barton was at his job at the time, not only did we know he was bad mouthing the club in the press, that he blamed everyone but himself, that he talked sh1t about players in the press, that he had a gambling problem, that he had an unanswered assault charge. Not only do we know all of that now, we also know he's recruited a load of rubbish and he's got ten points from ten games with his own squad. Knowing all of that you STILL think it's a good idea to allow him to control the club from top to bottom and somehow I'm the bad guy for having the temerity to question that pearl of wisdom. Also, there's no need for the personal "billy big bollox" stuff is there? The issue is that you’re so far up your own backside you can’t see that you’re becoming the forum bully. You say that you’ve singled those two posters out because you had a discussion with them on one thread. How convenient that they happen to be two of the more mild mannered posters on here. Perfect for a bully who likes to lord it over everybody who doesn’t agree with him. No wonder the number of decent posters is diminishing. It's amazing really how Barton, such a flawed character, can have any support at all, regardless of his performance as manager, Which is undeniably awful. When anyone comes on here and supports him it is of course their right to do so, but where they have and received a rebuttal from people like LJG, RoversDrive, myself, (to name but three) we have been subject to swearing, accusations of libel etc etc. As you know Tilly, 3 of the more vociferous of his support group stormed off and deleted their accounts here. So, I don't think it's bullying at all to point out previous comments made in support of this man, when he appears to be such a disaster as manager, continues to make ludicrous comments to the press and generally makes the club a laughing stock. So, I am with LJG, not bullying, when I say "Told you". Feel free to quote me and shove it up me when he gets us promoted.(🤔🤔đź¤)
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 4, 2021 6:22:45 GMT
Well add me to the list of 'I told you so' as well because I bloody well did. Far too many people were intoxicated by Barton celebrity and cheered as he took over every aspect of the club.
So yeah now you are watching Joey Barton FC, you wanted this.
If it makes you uncomfortable to hear others say they warned you then good, maybe that means you are finally listening.
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Post by pudseygas on Oct 4, 2021 6:33:17 GMT
Well add me to the list of 'I told you so' as well because I bloody well did. Far too many people were intoxicated by Barton celebrity and cheered as he took over every aspect of the club. So yeah now you are watching Joey Barton FC, you wanted this. If it makes you uncomfortable to hear others say they warned you then good, maybe that means you are finally listening. Easy to say now though isn't it. If he'd turned out to be a good manager, regardless of the baggage, then he'd still have the backing of the majority of the fans. As it happens, he's a not a very good manager after all so it's 'i told you so' from those who didn't want his appointment because of his past
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 4, 2021 6:38:27 GMT
Well add me to the list of 'I told you so' as well because I bloody well did. Far too many people were intoxicated by Barton celebrity and cheered as he took over every aspect of the club. So yeah now you are watching Joey Barton FC, you wanted this. If it makes you uncomfortable to hear others say they warned you then good, maybe that means you are finally listening. Easy to say now though isn't it. If he'd turned out to be a good manager, regardless of the baggage, then he'd still have the backing of the majority of the fans. As it happens, he's a not a very good manager after all so it's 'i told you so' from those who didn't want his appointment because of his past found it pretty easy to say at the time to be honest. And yes because of his past because also because of his present. A bloke who would divide the club, no experience and violent court cases pending. In not being funny but it didn't require much hindsight to spot this fuckup. What you're sort of saying is that because it hadn't happened yet we couldn't have known which is fair but that's not how any of us live our lives is it? You make a judgement call based on what you understand, invariably. So, if I decide to smoke all my life and every time someone says you're going to get sick, I dismiss it, I'm not going to stand there when I do get sick and say well yes but if I hadn't got sick you'd have been wrong. They aren't wrong. They are right. Their judgement was better than mine and well, they told me so. Appreciate its a bad analogy but there was a lot of gloating actually when he was appointed to people like myself. People LOVED that we didn't like it. So very little sympathy to be honest.
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Post by RD on Oct 4, 2021 6:48:55 GMT
Easy to say now though isn't it. If he'd turned out to be a good manager, regardless of the baggage, then he'd still have the backing of the majority of the fans. As it happens, he's a not a very good manager after all so it's 'i told you so' from those who didn't want his appointment because of his past found it pretty easy to say at the time to be honest. And yes because of his past because also because of his present. A bloke who would divide the club, no experience and violent court cases pending. In not being funny but it didn't require much hindsight to spot this fuckup. Indeed. Look at this thread I started a while back - gaschat.co.uk/thread/17767/barton-out The abuse I got was horrific. I had one poster PMing me threatening to kick my head in. Not to mention countless others caking me a sh*thead, a w*nker etc etc. As Oldie points out, two of the actually bullies thankfully deleted their accounts. But many, many others subjected myself and others who dared speak out against Barton to a tirade of hate.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 4, 2021 6:51:22 GMT
found it pretty easy to say at the time to be honest. And yes because of his past because also because of his present. A bloke who would divide the club, no experience and violent court cases pending. In not being funny but it didn't require much hindsight to spot this fuckup. Indeed. Look at this thread I started a while back - gaschat.co.uk/thread/17767/barton-out The abuse I got was horrific. I had one poster PMing me threatening to kick my head in. Not to mention countless others caking me a sh*thead, a w*nker etc etc. As Oldie points out, two of the actually bullies thankfully deleted their accounts. But many, many others subjected myself and others who dared speak out against Barton to a tirade of hate. Exactly. And the audacity to claim bullying. People have short memories. Thats half the problem.
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Post by RD on Oct 4, 2021 6:52:37 GMT
Indeed. Look at this thread I started a while back - gaschat.co.uk/thread/17767/barton-out The abuse I got was horrific. I had one poster PMing me threatening to kick my head in. Not to mention countless others caking me a sh*thead, a w*nker etc etc. As Oldie points out, two of the actually bullies thankfully deleted their accounts. But many, many others subjected myself and others who dared speak out against Barton to a tirade of hate. Exactly. And the audacity to claim bullying. People have short memories. Thats half the problem. It's 27 pages of personal hate. Just read the first three pages - utterly, utterly disgusting from so many on here! I wonder who will be man enough to apologise? Very few I doubt. 🤔
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 4, 2021 6:53:54 GMT
Exactly. And the audacity to claim bullying. People have short memories. Thats half the problem. It's 27 pages of personal hate. Just read the first three pages - utterly, utterly disgusting from so many on here! I wonder who will be man enough to apologise? Very few I doubt. 🤔 Ill just leave it with this: There was far, far more respect for a man like Joey Barton at the time than there was for fellow gasheads, from fellow gasheads. And here we are.
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Post by playtowin on Oct 4, 2021 6:55:43 GMT
with my tin hat on I would keep Jb until the end of November or until a conviction not because I like him but for the following reasons 1 He signed the players,they wanted to play for him,even though they are underperforming would they do better for anyone else? 2 Injuries have prevented him from getting a settled side 3 If when these players arefit things do not improve then a new man in december would have time to assess squad before the window opens Our biggest mistake was not spending the Hanlon money on a striker but that decision might have been taken by the board leaving JB scraping the barrel before deadline day At some stage we have to give a manager time like we did DC 1) The players don't look like they are playing for him. Quite the opposite. 2) Every manager gets injuries. BG had them. The key to a successful squad is being able to cover injuries. 3) A new manager now could reignite the spark in the players. Then be very selective in the Jan transfer window. 1 is usually just an urban myth to boost a point if view by saying even the players think i am right. 2 i cant recall a time when so many players will be unavailable. Goal keeper 3 centrebacks 2 wingbacks 2 defensive Central midfielders (martinez,grant) 2 Attacking players 1 striker Thats a whole team. Take those equivalent players out of the 1990 champions team or trollopes promotion team or Clarkes double prom team and see how they would have been spanked every week. 3 a new manager could be brilliant or no better ,you never know till its happened.
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Post by RD on Oct 4, 2021 6:57:23 GMT
It's 27 pages of personal hate. Just read the first three pages - utterly, utterly disgusting from so many on here! I wonder who will be man enough to apologise? Very few I doubt. 🤔 Ill just leave it with this: There was more respect for a man like Joey Barton at the time than there was for fellow gasheads, from fellow gasheads. And here we are. Quite. And people wonder why there's a tiny hint of "I told you so", having had several members subjected to horrific abuse for months. On top of that, called "Barton haters" etc and they wonder why we retort with "Barton lovers". Then they get up in arms about it. Its called standing up for ourselves a little and not being bullied in to silence. A lot of people made their bed. Now they need to lie in it.
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