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Post by gasify on Oct 4, 2021 7:23:06 GMT
I'm not sure that is correct. Didn't JB say that he has taken £800k off the wage bill? I don't know what that equates to in players, assuming £3k a week gets a decent player then that is 5 decent players we have missed out on... Personally, I wouldn’t believe a word he says on any subject, anytime. I tend to agree with you. I just wanted to get it out there as it seems to have been missed.
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Post by gasify on Oct 4, 2021 7:25:39 GMT
1) The players don't look like they are playing for him. Quite the opposite. 2) Every manager gets injuries. BG had them. The key to a successful squad is being able to cover injuries. 3) A new manager now could reignite the spark in the players. Then be very selective in the Jan transfer window. 1 is usually just an urban myth to boost a point if view by saying even the players think i am right. 2 i cant recall a time when so many players will be unavailable. Goal keeper 3 centrebacks 2 wingbacks 2 defensive Central midfielders (martinez,grant) 2 Attacking players 1 striker Thats a whole team. Take those equivalent players out of the 1990 champions team or trollopes promotion team or Clarkes double prom team and see how they would have been spanked every week. 3 a new manager could be brilliant or no better ,you never know till its happened . Too true. However the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different outcomes. He doesn't need Waels permission to walk, he should just walk.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 4, 2021 7:47:09 GMT
Well add me to the list of 'I told you so' as well because I bloody well did. Far too many people were intoxicated by Barton celebrity and cheered as he took over every aspect of the club. So yeah now you are watching Joey Barton FC, you wanted this. If it makes you uncomfortable to hear others say they warned you then good, maybe that means you are finally listening. Easy to say now though isn't it. If he'd turned out to be a good manager, regardless of the baggage, then he'd still have the backing of the majority of the fans. As it happens, he's a not a very good manager after all so it's 'i told you so' from those who didn't want his appointment because of his past I didn't want him here not because of his past, though that had a big influence. I didn't want him because he still had a court case pending and was concerned it would overshadow the rebuilding and stabilisation we needed. It was getting nasty on here around the time of his appointment and I don't recall many apologies to those who sadly have been proven right. Regardless, the manner in which some conducted themselves was depressing and I don't blame others for pointing that out. A little introspection wouldn't go amiss, though now is probably the time to draw a line and move on.
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Post by pudseygas on Oct 4, 2021 7:56:04 GMT
Easy to say now though isn't it. If he'd turned out to be a good manager, regardless of the baggage, then he'd still have the backing of the majority of the fans. As it happens, he's a not a very good manager after all so it's 'i told you so' from those who didn't want his appointment because of his past found it pretty easy to say at the time to be honest. And yes because of his past because also because of his present. A bloke who would divide the club, no experience and violent court cases pending. In not being funny but it didn't require much hindsight to spot this fuckup. What you're sort of saying is that because it hadn't happened yet we couldn't have known which is fair but that's not how any of us live our lives is it? You make a judgement call based on what you understand, invariably. So, if I decide to smoke all my life and every time someone says you're going to get sick, I dismiss it, I'm not going to stand there when I do get sick and say well yes but if I hadn't got sick you'd have been wrong. They aren't wrong. They are right. Their judgement was better than mine and well, they told me so. Appreciate its a bad analogy but there was a lot of gloating actually when he was appointed to people like myself. People LOVED that we didn't like it. So very little sympathy to be honest. I think the majority of the fans just want to see the club succeed, and as such will back the manager in charge . It might not sit well but results are all that matter tbh. He's not getting the results though and it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon so I want him out
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Post by oldie on Oct 4, 2021 8:15:32 GMT
found it pretty easy to say at the time to be honest. And yes because of his past because also because of his present. A bloke who would divide the club, no experience and violent court cases pending. In not being funny but it didn't require much hindsight to spot this fuckup. What you're sort of saying is that because it hadn't happened yet we couldn't have known which is fair but that's not how any of us live our lives is it? You make a judgement call based on what you understand, invariably. So, if I decide to smoke all my life and every time someone says you're going to get sick, I dismiss it, I'm not going to stand there when I do get sick and say well yes but if I hadn't got sick you'd have been wrong. They aren't wrong. They are right. Their judgement was better than mine and well, they told me so. Appreciate its a bad analogy but there was a lot of gloating actually when he was appointed to people like myself. People LOVED that we didn't like it. So very little sympathy to be honest. I think the majority of the fans just want to see the club succeed, and as such will back the manager in charge . It might not sit well but results are all that matter tbh. He's not getting the results though and it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon so I want him out One wonders where your moral compass points to if this is true
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Post by pudseygas on Oct 4, 2021 9:07:11 GMT
I think the majority of the fans just want to see the club succeed, and as such will back the manager in charge . It might not sit well but results are all that matter tbh. He's not getting the results though and it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon so I want him out One wonders where your moral compass points to if this is true What has morals got to do with it. The past is the past, and unless I'm mistaken he hasn't been found guilty of any of the impending court cases (yet!). If either comeback guilty then wael has no choice but to relieve him of his duties. Hopefully, for the sake of the team and club, he will go before then
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 4, 2021 9:19:44 GMT
found it pretty easy to say at the time to be honest. And yes because of his past because also because of his present. A bloke who would divide the club, no experience and violent court cases pending. In not being funny but it didn't require much hindsight to spot this fuckup. Indeed. Look at this thread I started a while back - gaschat.co.uk/thread/17767/barton-out The abuse I got was horrific. I had one poster PMing me threatening to kick my head in. Not to mention countless others caking me a sh*thead, a w*nker etc etc. As Oldie points out, two of the actually bullies thankfully deleted their accounts. But many, many others subjected myself and others who dared speak out against Barton to a tirade of hate. Blimey. Maybe we should start a thread entitled "Joey hasn't said if Wael doesn't want me to go I won't leave now" for the sake of balance.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 4, 2021 9:28:21 GMT
The issue is that you’re so far up your own backside you can’t see that you’re becoming the forum bully. You say that you’ve singled those two posters out because you had a discussion with them on one thread. How convenient that they happen to be two of the more mild mannered posters on here. Perfect for a bully who likes to lord it over everybody who doesn’t agree with him. No wonder the number of decent posters is diminishing. It's amazing really how Barton, such a flawed character, can have any support at all, regardless of his performance as manager, Which is undeniably awful. When anyone comes on here and supports him it is of course their right to do so, but where they have and received a rebuttal from people like LJG, RoversDrive, myself, (to name but three) we have been subject to swearing, accusations of libel etc etc. As you know Tilly, 3 of the more vociferous of his support group stormed off and deleted their accounts here. So, I don't think it's bullying at all to point out previous comments made in support of this man, when he appears to be such a disaster as manager, continues to make ludicrous comments to the press and generally makes the club a laughing stock. So, I am with LJG, not bullying, when I say "Told you". Feel free to quote me and shove it up me when he gets us promoted.(🤔🤔🤭) Ha ha - I don't think you're in any danger of being quoted at the end of the season.
My issue is with LJG picking out two specific posters, and, to use your turn of phrase "shoving it up them", and repeating it at length. As I said, they are easy targets for his Lordship to go after. I wouldn't imagine that either of them were involved in sending abusive messages of the type referenced by Rover Drive, as if those examples are some sort of justification for LJG's posts. Of course, nobody should be subjected to that sort of abuse, however, it doesn't mean that everybody who supported JB can be tarred with the same brush - making them fair game.
I certainly don't think that "I told you so" is some form of bullying, however LJG's posts don't fall into just that category. I've no idea why he feels the need to browbeat certain posters, as he's an interesting and intelligent contributor, who usually articulates his views very well.
If I was on the receiving end of his posts, I would feel very uncomfortable, that's why I've spoken out. However, as you've said in the past, maybe I'm not suited to the rough and tumble of a football forum. Not sure that Knitters Natters would be for me either though!
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 4, 2021 9:30:58 GMT
It's amazing really how Barton, such a flawed character, can have any support at all, regardless of his performance as manager, Which is undeniably awful. When anyone comes on here and supports him it is of course their right to do so, but where they have and received a rebuttal from people like LJG, RoversDrive, myself, (to name but three) we have been subject to swearing, accusations of libel etc etc. As you know Tilly, 3 of the more vociferous of his support group stormed off and deleted their accounts here. So, I don't think it's bullying at all to point out previous comments made in support of this man, when he appears to be such a disaster as manager, continues to make ludicrous comments to the press and generally makes the club a laughing stock. So, I am with LJG, not bullying, when I say "Told you". Feel free to quote me and shove it up me when he gets us promoted.(🤔🤔🤭) Ha ha - I don't think you're in any danger of being quoted at the end of the season.
My issue is with LJG picking out two specific posters, and, to use your turn of phrase "shoving it up them", and repeating it at length. As I said, they are easy targets for his Lordship to go after. I wouldn't imagine that either of them were involved in sending abusive messages of the type referenced by Rover Drive, as if those examples are some sort of justification for LJG's posts. Of course, nobody should be subjected to that sort of abuse, however, it doesn't mean that everybody who supported JB can be tarred with the same brush - making them fair game.
I certainly don't think that "I told you so" is some form of bullying, however LJG's posts don't fall into just that category. I've no idea why he feels the need to browbeat certain posters, as he's an interesting and intelligent contributor, who usually articulates his views very well.
If I was on the receiving end of his posts, I would feel very uncomfortable, that's why I've spoken out. However, as you've said in the past, maybe I'm not suited to the rough and tumble of a football forum. Not sure that Knitters Natters would be for me either though!
Actually LJG explained that the reason he responded to these posters directly is because they were the ones that had directly engaged with him to begin with, which if you check the thread is substantially true. Everybody has the right to defend their position.
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Post by pirate on Oct 4, 2021 9:44:17 GMT
Is he still here? Fookin disgrace if he is and a shame on the clueless board of directors.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 4, 2021 9:51:25 GMT
Ha ha - I don't think you're in any danger of being quoted at the end of the season.
My issue is with LJG picking out two specific posters, and, to use your turn of phrase "shoving it up them", and repeating it at length. As I said, they are easy targets for his Lordship to go after. I wouldn't imagine that either of them were involved in sending abusive messages of the type referenced by Rover Drive, as if those examples are some sort of justification for LJG's posts. Of course, nobody should be subjected to that sort of abuse, however, it doesn't mean that everybody who supported JB can be tarred with the same brush - making them fair game.
I certainly don't think that "I told you so" is some form of bullying, however LJG's posts don't fall into just that category. I've no idea why he feels the need to browbeat certain posters, as he's an interesting and intelligent contributor, who usually articulates his views very well.
If I was on the receiving end of his posts, I would feel very uncomfortable, that's why I've spoken out. However, as you've said in the past, maybe I'm not suited to the rough and tumble of a football forum. Not sure that Knitters Natters would be for me either though!
Actually LJG explained that the reason he responded to these posters directly is because they were the ones that had directly engaged with him to begin with, which if you check the thread is substantially true. Everybody has the right to defend their position. Yet, he states in his original post that there were plenty of other posters defending Barton, stange that he only goes after the two who engaged with him - easy targets?
"Here are plenty of our fans saying he should be given free reign to "sort the club from top to bottom" back in March when it had already become obvious the bloke is a complete and utter basket case.
Purdownpoacher and bridgewatergas take a bow."
Everybody has the right to defend their position - it doesn't sit comfortably with me when that consists of repetative browbeating of 2 individual posters.
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Post by RD on Oct 4, 2021 9:56:03 GMT
Actually LJG explained that the reason he responded to these posters directly is because they were the ones that had directly engaged with him to begin with, which if you check the thread is substantially true. Everybody has the right to defend their position. Yet, he states in his original post that there were plenty of other posters defending Barton, stange that he only goes after the two who engaged with him - easy targets?
"Here are plenty of our fans saying he should be given free reign to "sort the club from top to bottom" back in March when it had already become obvious the bloke is a complete and utter basket case.
Purdownpoacher and bridgewatergas take a bow."
Everybody has the right to defend their position - it doesn't sit comfortably with me when that consists of repetative browbeating of 2 individual posters.
I think the point LJG/OB were making Tilly was that LJG specifically pulled out those two posters as they were the two he had been interacting with the most on the thread; it wasn't just two random posters he pulled out. If I were the two posters I'd simply hold my hands up and admit I got it wrong. I don't think LGJ is getting personal at all. People don't like getting proven wrong - it's human and only natural. But I don't think it's a major crime to point it out. Far, far, far worse has gone on in recent months without being pulled up - the very fact Bideford took it up on himself to delete his account, rather than being permanently banned proves that.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 4, 2021 10:00:22 GMT
Yet, he states in his original post that there were plenty of other posters defending Barton, stange that he only goes after the two who engaged with him - easy targets?
"Here are plenty of our fans saying he should be given free reign to "sort the club from top to bottom" back in March when it had already become obvious the bloke is a complete and utter basket case.
Purdownpoacher and bridgewatergas take a bow."
Everybody has the right to defend their position - it doesn't sit comfortably with me when that consists of repetative browbeating of 2 individual posters.
I think the point LJG/OB were making Tilly was that LJG specifically pulled out those two posters as they were the two he had been interacting with the most on the thread; it wasn't just two random posters he pulled out. If I were the two posters I'd simply hold my hands up and admit I got it wrong. I don't think LGJ is getting personal at all. People don't like getting proven wrong - it's human and only natural. But I don't think it's a major crime to point it out. Far, far, far worse has gone on in recent months without being pulled up - the very fact Bideford took it up on himself to delete his account, rather than being permanently banned proves that. Yes, I am quite aware of the reason LJG gave for picking out those two posters. As I said, the tone and repetition does not sit comfortably with me.
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Post by oldie on Oct 4, 2021 10:05:35 GMT
It's amazing really how Barton, such a flawed character, can have any support at all, regardless of his performance as manager, Which is undeniably awful. When anyone comes on here and supports him it is of course their right to do so, but where they have and received a rebuttal from people like LJG, RoversDrive, myself, (to name but three) we have been subject to swearing, accusations of libel etc etc. As you know Tilly, 3 of the more vociferous of his support group stormed off and deleted their accounts here. So, I don't think it's bullying at all to point out previous comments made in support of this man, when he appears to be such a disaster as manager, continues to make ludicrous comments to the press and generally makes the club a laughing stock. So, I am with LJG, not bullying, when I say "Told you". Feel free to quote me and shove it up me when he gets us promoted.(🤔🤔🤭) Ha ha - I don't think you're in any danger of being quoted at the end of the season.
My issue is with LJG picking out two specific posters, and, to use your turn of phrase "shoving it up them", and repeating it at length. As I said, they are easy targets for his Lordship to go after. I wouldn't imagine that either of them were involved in sending abusive messages of the type referenced by Rover Drive, as if those examples are some sort of justification for LJG's posts. Of course, nobody should be subjected to that sort of abuse, however, it doesn't mean that everybody who supported JB can be tarred with the same brush - making them fair game.
I certainly don't think that "I told you so" is some form of bullying, however LJG's posts don't fall into just that category. I've no idea why he feels the need to browbeat certain posters, as he's an interesting and intelligent contributor, who usually articulates his views very well.
If I was on the receiving end of his posts, I would feel very uncomfortable, that's why I've spoken out. However, as you've said in the past, maybe I'm not suited to the rough and tumble of a football forum. Not sure that Knitters Natters would be for me either though!
Well put Tilly. We may not agree, but well put.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 4, 2021 11:11:34 GMT
I think the point LJG/OB were making Tilly was that LJG specifically pulled out those two posters as they were the two he had been interacting with the most on the thread; it wasn't just two random posters he pulled out. If I were the two posters I'd simply hold my hands up and admit I got it wrong. I don't think LGJ is getting personal at all. People don't like getting proven wrong - it's human and only natural. But I don't think it's a major crime to point it out. Far, far, far worse has gone on in recent months without being pulled up - the very fact Bideford took it up on himself to delete his account, rather than being permanently banned proves that. Yes, I am quite aware of the reason LJG gave for picking out those two posters. As I said, the tone and repetition does not sit comfortably with me. I think, fundamentally, the forum is used by some people who just want to register their opinion and more or less leave it at that, and some who like a proper, involved, back-and-forth debate. And given any single post, there's really no telling which is which.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 4, 2021 11:46:05 GMT
I think the point LJG/OB were making Tilly was that LJG specifically pulled out those two posters as they were the two he had been interacting with the most on the thread; it wasn't just two random posters he pulled out. If I were the two posters I'd simply hold my hands up and admit I got it wrong. I don't think LGJ is getting personal at all. People don't like getting proven wrong - it's human and only natural. But I don't think it's a major crime to point it out. Far, far, far worse has gone on in recent months without being pulled up - the very fact Bideford took it up on himself to delete his account, rather than being permanently banned proves that. Yes, I am quite aware of the reason LJG gave for picking out those two posters. As I said, the tone and repetition does not sit comfortably with me. If there is any posting that sits uncomfortably with anyone which you think needs the mods attention then please hit the report button so we can look at it.
Thanks.
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Post by oldie on Oct 4, 2021 12:17:36 GMT
Yes, I am quite aware of the reason LJG gave for picking out those two posters. As I said, the tone and repetition does not sit comfortably with me. If there is any posting that sits uncomfortably with anyone which you think needs the mods attention then please hit the report button so we can look at it.
Thanks.I think that's just silly. You are opening a door for censorship. People take offence at the strangest thing, there is no uniform definition.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 4, 2021 12:24:35 GMT
If there is any posting that sits uncomfortably with anyone which you think needs the mods attention then please hit the report button so we can look at it.
Thanks. I think that's just silly. You are opening a door for censorship. People take offence at the strangest thing, there is no uniform definition. Just coz someone reports it doesn't mean any action gets taken. It's merely to draw the attention of the mods to it.
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Post by baggins on Oct 4, 2021 12:27:14 GMT
Yes, I am quite aware of the reason LJG gave for picking out those two posters. As I said, the tone and repetition does not sit comfortably with me. I think, fundamentally, the forum is used by some people who just want to register their opinion and more or less leave it at that, and some who like a proper, involved, back-and-forth debate. And given any single post, there's really no telling which is which. And then there's Hugo. God knows what he's here for. A date perhaps.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 12:35:32 GMT
When Barton goes, it's going to be a big job getting the club back on track and I've little or no confidence in the judgement of Wael or Starnes or Widrington to sort things out. No sure who at the club has got the vision, knowledge or ability to get things back on track.
But we do need change as many of us feel alienated from the club since Barton has been running the show. I don't think Barton will last to Christmas and when he goes, whether he walks, is sacked or sent-down, I just hope our dysfunctional Board has a plan about how they replace him and his ever growing entourage.
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