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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2022 14:56:53 GMT
Good. No mention of not joining the EU, given what Putin has done and the ongoing threat of Trump and his ilk in the USA, what price now a EU defence pact? Trouble is who can trust anything Putin signs. He reneged on the Minsk Agreements. Perhaps he only reneged in a specific and limited way ? 🇬🇧
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Post by pirate on Mar 7, 2022 15:40:18 GMT
Just to add I took at the link you provided to Oriental Review.Org. They are a laugh a minute. Articles such as "Bill Gates, Vaccinations, Microchips and Patent 060606" and "The US trying to turn Zambia into the African Sri Lanka" A bunch of bloggers desperate to get their name in the press. It's almost as funny as the link you provided to Blackstone blog, turns out to be another bunch of 25 people based in North Carolina. Late edit From the foresaid OrientalReview.org This Read like Pravda? It should do, its written by a political writer based in Moscow, Andrew Korybko. orientalreview.org/author/ak/It's an academic paper written by a professor at the University of Ottawa that was presented at the Annual Meeting of American Political Science Association in 2015. The link was the first one I found without checking the origin (my mistake) while reading Quora.com. It can be found on the following links too: www.academia.edu/8776021/The_Snipers_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukrainewww.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2658245That academic investigation's conclusion are clear - that the massacre was a false flag operation, which was rationally planned and carried out with a goal of overthrowing the government and seizure of power. We know who came to power...neocon Victoria Nuland's man "Yats".
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Post by pirate on Mar 7, 2022 15:42:21 GMT
Good. No mention of not joining the EU, given what Putin has done and the ongoing threat of Trump and his ilk in the USA, what price now a EU defence pact? Trouble is who can trust anything Putin signs. He reneged on the Minsk Agreements.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 7, 2022 15:45:31 GMT
Good. No mention of not joining the EU, given what Putin has done and the ongoing threat of Trump and his ilk in the USA, what price now a EU defence pact? Trouble is who can trust anything Putin signs. He reneged on the Minsk Agreements. Perhaps he only reneged in a specific and limited way ? 🇬🇧 Thing is should a Sovereign country cede territory to a neighbour that's been taken by force,you could have a plebiscite in Donetsk but surely not Crimea,be a bit like us giving up Scotland oh wait a minute.
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Post by pirate on Mar 7, 2022 16:02:11 GMT
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Post by pirate on Mar 7, 2022 16:03:59 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 7, 2022 16:26:33 GMT
Just to add I took at the link you provided to Oriental Review.Org. They are a laugh a minute. Articles such as "Bill Gates, Vaccinations, Microchips and Patent 060606" and "The US trying to turn Zambia into the African Sri Lanka" A bunch of bloggers desperate to get their name in the press. It's almost as funny as the link you provided to Blackstone blog, turns out to be another bunch of 25 people based in North Carolina. Late edit From the foresaid OrientalReview.org This Read like Pravda? It should do, its written by a political writer based in Moscow, Andrew Korybko. orientalreview.org/author/ak/It's an academic paper written by a professor at the University of Ottawa that was presented at the Annual Meeting of American Political Science Association in 2015. The link was the first one I found without checking the origin (my mistake) while reading Quora.com. It can be found on the following links too: www.academia.edu/8776021/The_Snipers_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukrainewww.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2658245That academic investigation's conclusion are clear - that the massacre was a false flag operation, which was rationally planned and carried out with a goal of overthrowing the government and seizure of power. We know who came to power...neocon Victoria Nuland's man "Yats". Are they clear? For example "The massacre of almost 50 Maidan protesters on February 20, 2014 was a turning pointin Ukrainian politics and a tipping point in the conflict between the West and Russia over Ukraine. This mass killing of the protesters and the mass shooting of the police that preceded it led to the overthrow of the pro-Russian government of Viktor Yanukovych and gave a start to acivil war in Donbas in Eastern Ukraine, Russian military intervention in Crimea and Donbas, and an international conflict between the West and Russia over Ukraine." 1. 18 police officers died in total. 2. 112 protesters died. All very sad but given that three of those police deaths were not shot or directly related and six died in action against protest camps, the term mass shooting of police reads like bs to me. 3. Why would the will of the vast majority start a civil war unless a minority would not accept who themselves were backed by Russia who also would not accept it. If any of your claims were true then why were the Ukranians themselves, not just political leaders, so keen on joining the EU, before the overthrow, after the overthrow and most likely more so today. It is not indicative of fascist regime or sentiment who, I think we might agree, would not be the type of group who would want to join an organisation such as the EU. The only fascist I can see is sat in the Kremlin. Finally, this made me fall off the sofa laughing. "It uses a theory of rational choice and a Weberian theory of instrumental rationality to examine actions of major actors both from the Yanukovych government, specifically various police and security forces, and the Maidan opposition, specifically its far right and oligarchic elements, during the massacre.The paper analyzes a large amount of evidence from different publicly available sources concerning this massacre and killings of specifics protestors" Obtuse, predetermined, (far right and Oligarchic elements) used the same evidence generally available and, based upon a clearly predetermined view, published a report which said what they believed before they wrote it. Now, this is complete tosh unless you can show where this paper has been peer reviewed, approved and therefore referenced in other academic papers on the topic.
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Post by oldie on Mar 7, 2022 16:41:21 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2022 16:57:21 GMT
I’d give up if I were you Oldie . You’ll spend valuable time pulling apart Pirates posts and his discredited sources . Then he’ll just post more & more ad nauseam .
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Post by oldie on Mar 7, 2022 17:00:33 GMT
I’d give up if I were you Oldie . You’ll spend valuable time pulling apart Pirates posts and his discredited sources . Then he’ll just post more & more ad nauseam . I was born and raised on the dark side, south of the river. The primordial instincts in me smell blood...👹
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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2022 17:13:57 GMT
I’d give up if I were you Oldie . You’ll spend valuable time pulling apart Pirates posts and his discredited sources . Then he’ll just post more & more ad nauseam . I was born and raised on the dark side, south of the river. The primordial instincts in me smell blood...👹 Crack on then ! 😂
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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2022 17:14:59 GMT
Has Gulf of Aden's post on the Mugs thread been deleted? What did he say ?
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 7, 2022 17:23:24 GMT
Has Gulf of Aden's post on the Mugs thread been deleted? What did he say ? He posted a couple of quotes from the BBC and somewhere else from the media which he claimed were deliberately distorting the truth, softening up the public for war and attempting to unfairly slur Putin, then went on to say we are all thickos for believing it. Don't know if he deleted it or a Mod.
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Post by pirate on Mar 7, 2022 17:23:42 GMT
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Post by pirate on Mar 7, 2022 17:25:12 GMT
What a surprise that a Research Fellow at the far right neocon Henry Jackson Society disagrees. The initial signatories of the Henry Jackson Society statement of principles included International patrons  Richard Perle, William Kristol, (co-founder of the 'Project for a New American Century' document with Victoria Nuland's husband Robert Kagan) and former CIA Director R. James Woolsey Jr. 😆
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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2022 17:30:46 GMT
He posted a couple of quotes from the BBC and somewhere else from the media which he claimed were deliberately distorting the truth, softening up the public for war and attempting to unfairly slur Putin, then went on to say we are all thickos for believing it. Don't know if he deleted it or a Mod. What is it with these right wingers ?
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Post by oldie on Mar 7, 2022 17:34:57 GMT
He posted a couple of quotes from the BBC and somewhere else from the media which he claimed were deliberately distorting the truth, softening up the public for war and attempting to unfairly slur Putin, then went on to say we are all thickos for believing it. Don't know if he deleted it or a Mod. I read that. My instant thought was "oh god, not another one"
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Post by oldie on Mar 7, 2022 17:38:00 GMT
What a surprise that a Research Fellow at the far right neocon Henry Jackson Society disagrees. The initial signatories of the Henry Jackson Society statement of principles included International patrons  Richard Perle, William Kristol, (co-founder of the 'Project for a New American Century' document with Victoria Nuland's husband Robert Kagan) and former CIA Director R. James Woolsey Jr. 😆 In normal times I might agree, but their views are no less credible than the author, for the reasons I laid out. He wrote an opinion piece, not a peer reviewed academic paper.
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Post by pirate on Mar 7, 2022 17:40:46 GMT
He posted a couple of quotes from the BBC and somewhere else from the media which he claimed were deliberately distorting the truth, softening up the public for war and attempting to unfairly slur Putin, then went on to say we are all thickos for believing it. Don't know if he deleted it or a Mod. I read that. My instant thought was "oh god, not another one" Stop with the pretence oldie. You literally just linked to an article by a research fellow at the far-right noeocon Henry Jackson Society. Co-founder Matthew Jamison wrote in 2017 that he was ashamed of his involvement in what he described as a "far-right, deeply anti-Muslim racist ... propaganda outfit to smear other cultures, religions and ethnic groups."
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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2022 19:29:18 GMT
No fly zone over Ukraine ?
It breaks my heart when I see and hear the impassioned pleas from Ukrainians calling for it but also I get the reasons of the ‘west’ not doing it. What do you guys think ?
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