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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 10:40:50 GMT
The Azov nazis were wiped out in mariupol on Thursday/Friday weren't they? The narrative has changed almost immediately. Genuine War seems to start due numerous reasons, making denazification a priority was Russia's way of limiting future reprisals against Ukrainian troops. Do you have a link for that? Which part? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 28, 2022 10:55:44 GMT
Do you have a link for that? Which part? The Azov part. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 28, 2022 11:14:09 GMT
So not Nato expansion or denazification, then? The Azov nazis were wiped out in mariupol on Thursday/Friday weren't they? The narrative has changed almost immediately. Genuine War seems to start due numerous reasons, making denazification a priority was Russia's way of limiting future reprisals against Ukrainian troops. You have proof of that or are you reciting Pravda? |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 28, 2022 11:53:40 GMT
The Azov nazis were wiped out in mariupol on Thursday/Friday weren't they? The narrative has changed almost immediately. Genuine War seems to start due numerous reasons, making denazification a priority was Russia's way of limiting future reprisals against Ukrainian troops. You have proof of that or are you reciting Pravda? I can’t seem to find anything saying they’ve been wiped out ? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 13:34:07 GMT
It's live updates from russian philosophy podcasts I've listened to over the last 5 years or so, they've taken to reporting ground movements. As I don't have a 'side' in this war of liberal Nazis and tzarist despots I like to take info in from both and try and make sense thru the bs. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 28, 2022 13:44:14 GMT
It's live updates from russian philosophy podcasts I've listened to over the last 5 years or so, they've taken to reporting ground movements. As I don't have a 'side' in this war of liberal Nazis and tzarist despots I like to take info in from both and try and make sense thru the bs. Do you know where and how they are getting their information from? |
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Post by oldie on Mar 28, 2022 14:30:35 GMT
It's live updates from russian philosophy podcasts I've listened to over the last 5 years or so, they've taken to reporting ground movements. As I don't have a 'side' in this war of liberal Nazis and tzarist despots I like to take info in from both and try and make sense thru the bs. Do you know where and how they are getting their information from? Kremlin.🤪 |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 28, 2022 15:22:49 GMT
It's live updates from russian philosophy podcasts I've listened to over the last 5 years or so, they've taken to reporting ground movements. As I don't have a 'side' in this war of liberal Nazis and tzarist despots I like to take info in from both and try and make sense thru the bs. Russian philosophy podcasts…… bet you’re fun at parties. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 28, 2022 15:37:32 GMT
Do you know where and how they are getting their information from? Kremlin.🤪 With the media restrictions and closing down of dissenting voices, there really isn't much to counter the official narrative. That's one of the issues left over from the First World War which allowed what followed, Germans only had the government line and for many years genuinely thought they were winning so when they collapsed, the only 'rational' explanation was that they were betrayed. That allowed the 'stabbed in the back' story which Hitler greatly expoused. The German people didn't see defeat in 1918 as such, which is why in the Second World War the German surrender was handled differently. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 28, 2022 15:57:30 GMT
Bellingcat can confirm that three members of the delegation attending the peace talks between Ukraine and Russia on the night of 3 to 4 March 2022 experienced symptoms consistent with poisoning with chemical weapons. One of victims was Russian entrepreneur Roman Abramovich.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 16:15:42 GMT
It's live updates from russian philosophy podcasts I've listened to over the last 5 years or so, they've taken to reporting ground movements. As I don't have a 'side' in this war of liberal Nazis and tzarist despots I like to take info in from both and try and make sense thru the bs. Do you know where and how they are getting their information from? Obviously through a Russian lens. Same as you'd see it through a liberal western lens. Like I said, it's interesting to see the view of all sides to be able to see the event as a whole. Not just the oldie style of this man bad, this man good. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 28, 2022 16:24:38 GMT
Do you know where and how they are getting their information from? Obviously through a Russian lens. Same as you'd see it through a liberal western lens. Like I said, it's interesting to see the view of all sides to be able to see the event as a whole. Not just the oldie style of this man bad, this man good. I used to enjoy watching RT for a different perspective but always concious of their clear bias. Never said Ukraine was 100% the good guys and agreed Russia had some genuine grievances. Perhaps you can elaborate on Putin's good bits. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 28, 2022 19:52:05 GMT
I can say categorically that Azov (of parts of it) remain fighting alongside UA Marines in Mariupol as of Saturday at least.
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Post by oldie on Mar 28, 2022 20:18:56 GMT
Do you know where and how they are getting their information from? Obviously through a Russian lens. Same as you'd see it through a liberal western lens. Like I said, it's interesting to see the view of all sides to be able to see the event as a whole. Not just the oldie style of this man bad, this man good. That's just BS |
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Post by fintanstack on Mar 28, 2022 20:36:00 GMT
Do you know where and how they are getting their information from? Obviously through a Russian lens. Same as you'd see it through a liberal western lens. Like I said, it's interesting to see the view of all sides to be able to see the event as a whole. Not just the oldie style of this man bad, this man good. Being lied to twice does not make you more informed. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 8:11:15 GMT
Obviously through a Russian lens. Same as you'd see it through a liberal western lens. Like I said, it's interesting to see the view of all sides to be able to see the event as a whole. Not just the oldie style of this man bad, this man good. I used to enjoy watching RT for a different perspective but always concious of their clear bias. Never said Ukraine was 100% the good guys and agreed Russia had some genuine grievances. Perhaps you can elaborate on Putin's good bits. RT is not really any different than the BBC or any other state controlled media. It's not as simple as good/bad or cowboys/Indians though is it? Personally I'd put Putin in the same camp as Johnson, trump, biden and most other liberal leaders - their only purpose is to keep the wealthy happy. Obviously Putin is more of a monarch than other 'world' leaders. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 29, 2022 8:37:02 GMT
I used to enjoy watching RT for a different perspective but always concious of their clear bias. Never said Ukraine was 100% the good guys and agreed Russia had some genuine grievances. Perhaps you can elaborate on Putin's good bits. RT is not really any different than the BBC or any other state controlled media. It's not as simple as good/bad or cowboys/Indians though is it? Personally I'd put Putin in the same camp as Johnson, trump, biden and most other liberal leaders - their only purpose is to keep the wealthy happy. Obviously Putin is more of a monarch than other 'world' leaders. So the BBC is the same as RT and Putin is like a liberal leader? Sorry Grover, you've really lost me. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 29, 2022 10:56:02 GMT
Peace talks taking place, hopefully there will be some breakthrough although it's thought unlikely at the moment.
Meanwhile, (via Sky News) "One of the leaders of Moscow's separatist rebellion in eastern Ukraine has called Russia's invasion of the country "a mistake".
Alexei Alexandrov was part of the movement that rejected Kyiv's rule and created an autonomous pro-Moscow territory in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region in 2014.
The comments are especially significant as they indicate the Kremlin cannot count on support from all pro-Russian opponents of Kyiv
In an interview with Reuters Mr Alexandrov said: "All this could have been resolved earlier, mainly through diplomatic means and perhaps an insignificant use of force. But that was not done, and that is a mistake on all sides."
The Moscow-backed separatist went on to say that over many years, Russia had failed to grasp how to deal with Ukraine.
"Moscow's reaction was always late, and never got to grips with the situation," he added.
"That was a mistake, and we are reaping the consequences now in blood, and multiple victims on both sides."
Mr Alexandrov also shared his doubts over whether Russia had the resources to bring the whole of Ukraine under its control, adding that the long-term outlook for the Donbas was also unclear. "
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Post by oldie on Mar 29, 2022 11:38:19 GMT
RT is not really any different than the BBC or any other state controlled media. It's not as simple as good/bad or cowboys/Indians though is it? Personally I'd put Putin in the same camp as Johnson, trump, biden and most other liberal leaders - their only purpose is to keep the wealthy happy. Obviously Putin is more of a monarch than other 'world' leaders. So the BBC is the same as RT and Putin is like a liberal leader? Sorry Grover, you've really lost me. He appears to be an absolutist Stuart. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 29, 2022 11:52:52 GMT
So the BBC is the same as RT and Putin is like a liberal leader? Sorry Grover, you've really lost me. He appears to be an absolutist Stuart. Seems that way which is quite ironic bearing in mind he talks about not wanting things seen black and white. |
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