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Post by oldie on Apr 4, 2022 21:29:32 GMT
Copied from Nobby on the other forum
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Post by yattongas on Apr 5, 2022 7:07:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 10:06:39 GMT
Can't believe I'm saying this but....I agree with you Oldie 🙂🙂 Problem is unless his generals and the public turn on Putin I can't see how he will ever face a war crimes trial. I echo everything that's been said gaslife. So pleased you and your partner are safe but sick to the stomach reading your post and watching the news daily. A huge list of Russian soldiers who have post home more than 50kg of stuff via Belarus has been published... example: Kovalenko Yevgeny Yevgenievich sent 450 kg. of tools, music speakers, a table, a tent, etc. to Rubtsovsk. Phone number: +79130213100 Lazarev Artyom Petrovich sent 255 kg. of spare parts and an electric scooter to Rubtsovsk. Phone number: +79132257343 Nikolayev Pavel Aleksandrovich sent 205 kg. of tools, a TV and a chair to Rubtsovsk. Phone number: +79235652819 Serdtsev Andrei Nikolayevich sent 150 kg. of tools, clothes and a TV to Rubtsovsk. Phone number: +79831816692 Valiyev Georgy Muratovich sent 150 kg. of tools and clothes to Rubtsovsk. Phone number: +79133660555 Ummm, you do realise that the west have severely sanctioned Russia? Literally economic warfare. So soldiers are going to send things home to their families. That's a no brainer? Do worry about your thinking skills. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 5, 2022 10:13:00 GMT
A huge list of Russian soldiers who have post home more than 50kg of stuff via Belarus has been published... example: Kovalenko Yevgeny Yevgenievich sent 450 kg. of tools, music speakers, a table, a tent, etc. to Rubtsovsk. Phone number: +79130213100 Lazarev Artyom Petrovich sent 255 kg. of spare parts and an electric scooter to Rubtsovsk. Phone number: +79132257343 Nikolayev Pavel Aleksandrovich sent 205 kg. of tools, a TV and a chair to Rubtsovsk. Phone number: +79235652819 Serdtsev Andrei Nikolayevich sent 150 kg. of tools, clothes and a TV to Rubtsovsk. Phone number: +79831816692 Valiyev Georgy Muratovich sent 150 kg. of tools and clothes to Rubtsovsk. Phone number: +79133660555 Ummm, you do realise that the west have severely sanctioned Russia? Literally economic warfare. So soldiers are going to send things home to their families. That's a no brainer? Do worry about your thinking skills. Where did they buy them, Grover? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 10:36:30 GMT
Ummm, you do realise that the west have severely sanctioned Russia? Literally economic warfare. So soldiers are going to send things home to their families. That's a no brainer? Do worry about your thinking skills. Where did they buy them, Grover? Lmao. They have 24hr Tesco in warzones surely? Azov nazis on aisle 5 and russian war criminals using self scan. How much do you think Russian soldiers are paid? Do Ukraine accept rubles? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 5, 2022 11:02:43 GMT
Where did they buy them, Grover? Lmao. They have 24hr Tesco in warzones surely? Azov nazis on aisle 5 and russian war criminals using self scan. How much do you think Russian soldiers are paid? Do Ukraine accept rubles? That's my point, it's stolen. Looking at the contents of some of the lists Oldie posted, it's not essentials being shipped back. The charge sheet at the moment lists rape, looting, torture and extrajudicial execution. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 11:14:55 GMT
Lmao. They have 24hr Tesco in warzones surely? Azov nazis on aisle 5 and russian war criminals using self scan. How much do you think Russian soldiers are paid? Do Ukraine accept rubles? That's my point, it's stolen. Looking at the contents of some of the lists Oldie posted, it's not essentials being shipped back. The charge sheet at the moment lists rape, looting, torture and extrajudicial execution. It's a war. (I assume war hasn't officially been declared on either side yet for obvious reasons) You frequent war forums and are somewhat a military nerd, so you fully know the consequences of it? It's not going to be like saving private Ryan is it... It's men at their utter worst. That goes for Ukraine and Russia. Soldiers looting is really well down the order of atrocities and makes people that bring it up as a stick to beat with look utterly ridiculous imo. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 5, 2022 11:25:07 GMT
That's my point, it's stolen. Looking at the contents of some of the lists Oldie posted, it's not essentials being shipped back. The charge sheet at the moment lists rape, looting, torture and extrajudicial execution. It's a war. (I assume war hasn't officially been declared on either side yet for obvious reasons) You frequent war forums and are somewhat a military nerd, so you fully know the consequences of it? It's not going to be like saving private Ryan is it... It's men at their utter worst. That goes for Ukraine and Russia. Soldiers looting is really well down the order of atrocities and makes people that bring it up as a stick to beat with look utterly ridiculous imo. I frequent war forums, really? How would you know? Above you justified the shipping of (looted) goods back to Russia because of sanctions, I highly doubt that they did it for those reasons. I would agree that war brings out the worst in people. I appreciate you are trying to provide some balance but it's not reading like that IMHO. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 5, 2022 11:33:57 GMT
Some cheerier news. "An 11-year-old Lego fanatic from Ukraine, whose family have taken refuge in Ireland, has been overwhelmed with Lego donations, according to his father. Igor Sidorov and his son, Andrey, fled war-torn Kyiv but had to leave his collection behind. Mr Sidorov made an online appeal for people to send him some Lego bricks, so Andrey could get building again. Now, he says, toys have been flooding in at their hotel in Galway. "A lot of people sent us lots of boxes, new Lego, used Lego - so my Andrey is already building toys with Lego again," Mr Sidorov told BBC's Good Morning Ulster programme. "He's very happy. Seven days non-stop he's built Lego. " www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60994304 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 11:37:46 GMT
It's a war. (I assume war hasn't officially been declared on either side yet for obvious reasons) You frequent war forums and are somewhat a military nerd, so you fully know the consequences of it? It's not going to be like saving private Ryan is it... It's men at their utter worst. That goes for Ukraine and Russia. Soldiers looting is really well down the order of atrocities and makes people that bring it up as a stick to beat with look utterly ridiculous imo. I frequent war forums, really? How would you know? Above you justified the shipping of (looted) goods back to Russia because of sanctions, I highly doubt that they did it for those reasons. I would agree that war brings out the worst in people. I appreciate you are trying to provide some balance but it's not reading like that IMHO. You mentioned it in a earlier post. It's not really about us as individuals is it, we are just watching events unfold and trying to make sense of it, each with our different world views. The spoils of war or whatever the quote is. I'm just posting as someone who is anti war and anti imperialist. So it's like watching hell on earth tbh. Two evils fighting it out. |
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Post by baggins on Apr 5, 2022 11:53:22 GMT
I frequent war forums, really? How would you know? Above you justified the shipping of (looted) goods back to Russia because of sanctions, I highly doubt that they did it for those reasons. I would agree that war brings out the worst in people. I appreciate you are trying to provide some balance but it's not reading like that IMHO. You mentioned it in a earlier post. It's not really about us as individuals is it, we are just watching events unfold and trying to make sense of it, each with our different world views. The spoils of war or whatever the quote is. I'm just posting as someone who is anti war and anti imperialist. So it's like watching hell on earth tbh. Two evils fighting it out. Two evils? Not sure there's 2 of them, just the 1. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 5, 2022 12:57:22 GMT
I frequent war forums, really? How would you know? Above you justified the shipping of (looted) goods back to Russia because of sanctions, I highly doubt that they did it for those reasons. I would agree that war brings out the worst in people. I appreciate you are trying to provide some balance but it's not reading like that IMHO. You mentioned it in a earlier post. It's not really about us as individuals is it, we are just watching events unfold and trying to make sense of it, each with our different world views. The spoils of war or whatever the quote is. I'm just posting as someone who is anti war and anti imperialist. So it's like watching hell on earth tbh. Two evils fighting it out. I think I mentioned one, unless you are counting any site covering the invasion, which is would be like Gaschat being referred to as a political forum. 😃 If you are anti war and anti imperialist then you ought to condemn Russia rather than somehow draw equivalence between them. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 5, 2022 15:43:38 GMT
You mentioned it in a earlier post. It's not really about us as individuals is it, we are just watching events unfold and trying to make sense of it, each with our different world views. The spoils of war or whatever the quote is. I'm just posting as someone who is anti war and anti imperialist. So it's like watching hell on earth tbh. Two evils fighting it out. I think I mentioned one, unless you are counting any site covering the invasion, which is would be like Gaschat being referred to as a political forum. 😃 If you are anti war and anti imperialist then you ought to condemn Russia rather than somehow draw equivalence between them. That very point is a constant with Grover |
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Post by francegas on Apr 5, 2022 15:55:17 GMT
That's my point, it's stolen. Looking at the contents of some of the lists Oldie posted, it's not essentials being shipped back. The charge sheet at the moment lists rape, looting, torture and extrajudicial execution. It's a war. (I assume war hasn't officially been declared on either side yet for obvious reasons) You frequent war forums and are somewhat a military nerd, so you fully know the consequences of it? It's not going to be like saving private Ryan is it... It's men at their utter worst. That goes for Ukraine and Russia. Soldiers looting is really well down the order of atrocities and makes people that bring it up as a stick to beat with look utterly ridiculous imo. You might think it looks utterly ridiculous but I bet to those who have lost their homes and possessions it doesn't. If it were so trivial why is it within the category of war crimes ?? |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 5, 2022 16:08:05 GMT
Grover is Matt le Tissier and I claim my £5 prize .
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Post by oldie on Apr 5, 2022 18:22:16 GMT
It's a war. (I assume war hasn't officially been declared on either side yet for obvious reasons) You frequent war forums and are somewhat a military nerd, so you fully know the consequences of it? It's not going to be like saving private Ryan is it... It's men at their utter worst. That goes for Ukraine and Russia. Soldiers looting is really well down the order of atrocities and makes people that bring it up as a stick to beat with look utterly ridiculous imo. You might think it looks utterly ridiculous but I bet to those who have lost their homes and possessions it doesn't. If it were so trivial why is it within the category of war crimes ?? Don't expect an answer. Liberal Democracy, warts and all, he thinks is a worse political position than fascist authoritarianism. Ffs |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 18:26:20 GMT
You might think it looks utterly ridiculous but I bet to those who have lost their homes and possessions it doesn't. If it were so trivial why is it within the category of war crimes ?? Don't expect an answer. Liberal Democracy, warts and all, he thinks is a worse political position than fascist authoritarianism. Ffs Not worse per se, more that they go hand in hand... One couldn't exist without the other. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 18:31:31 GMT
You mentioned it in a earlier post. It's not really about us as individuals is it, we are just watching events unfold and trying to make sense of it, each with our different world views. The spoils of war or whatever the quote is. I'm just posting as someone who is anti war and anti imperialist. So it's like watching hell on earth tbh. Two evils fighting it out. Two evils? Not sure there's 2 of them, just the 1. Both are killing innocent people, that evil isn't it? From what I see the Americans want to hit Russia via Ukraine, Russia have retaliated. Innocent Ukrainians & russians will be killed, for what? Same as all the other proxy wars isn't it. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 5, 2022 19:15:37 GMT
Two evils? Not sure there's 2 of them, just the 1. Both are killing innocent people, that evil isn't it? From what I see the Americans want to hit Russia via Ukraine, Russia have retaliated. Innocent Ukrainians & russians will be killed, for what? Same as all the other proxy wars isn't it. Russia hasn't retaliated. Which innocent Russians have Ukraine killed? I presume you are referring to the issues in the Donbass region. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 5, 2022 19:45:57 GMT
Two evils? Not sure there's 2 of them, just the 1. Both are killing innocent people, that evil isn't it? From what I see the Americans want to hit Russia via Ukraine, Russia have retaliated. Innocent Ukrainians & russians will be killed, for what? Same as all the other proxy wars isn't it. Russia have invaded a sovereign state . That’s the problem , so if Russians are in someone else’s country invading it’s fair game to kill them. How do you see the Americans hitting Russia via Ukraine ? Every country that’s given Ukraine weapons is in the same boat surely? |
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