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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 6, 2023 18:46:06 GMT
Of course , silly me . Obvs you know so much more đ Another one of those â I did my own research â clowns đ€Ą Well, more than reposting from Wikipedia. It is astounding that both you, and the axis of weasel all magically come to all the same conclusions about everything, all of the time. Have you wondered why that might be? Ever thought it's you that may be wrong? |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 6, 2023 18:46:22 GMT
Of course , silly me . Obvs you know so much more đ Another one of those â I did my own research â clowns đ€Ą Well, more than reposting from Wikipedia. It is astounding that both you, and the axis of weasel all magically come to all the same conclusions about everything, all of the time. Have you wondered why that might be? Because weâre right and you are a clown . |
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 6, 2023 19:00:22 GMT
OK agree to disagree here.
I think youâre exceptionally naieve after seeing with your own eyes how the exact same publications currently feeding you on this conflict have lied to you, often and repeatedly about a whole range of issues and most notably a pretext to 2 wars in 2003.
Just to be crystal (as I know you canât cope with a position other than âwith us or against usâ as youâre conditioned from media and politics to think this way) I think that this war is a complicated culmination of geopolitical shifts which have its roots back even further than the fall of the wall. I say this because youâll naturally characterise me as a âPutin supporterâ because you canât really think beyond those terms, unfortunately for you.
Letâs hope at least the bloodshed and enormous amount of funding we are providing comes to an end at some point and everyone can get on with their lives.
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Post by yattongas on Mar 6, 2023 19:06:57 GMT
OK agree to disagree here. I think youâre exceptionally naieve after seeing with your own eyes how the exact same publications currently feeding you on this conflict have lied to you, often and repeatedly about a whole range of issues and most notably a pretext to 2 wars in 2003. Just to be crystal (as I know you canât cope with a position other than âwith us or against usâ as youâre conditioned from media and politics to think this way) I think that this war is a complicated culmination of geopolitical shifts which have its roots back even further than the fall of the wall. I say this because youâll naturally characterise me as a âPutin supporterâ because you canât really think beyond those terms, unfortunately for you. Letâs hope at least the bloodshed and enormous amount of funding we are providing comes to an end at some point and everyone can get on with their lives. Canât be arsed to argue with another headbanger who thinks they know everything whilst proving themselves to be just a crackpot . Been there , done that . |
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 6, 2023 19:09:00 GMT
OK agree to disagree here. I think youâre exceptionally naieve after seeing with your own eyes how the exact same publications currently feeding you on this conflict have lied to you, often and repeatedly about a whole range of issues and most notably a pretext to 2 wars in 2003. Just to be crystal (as I know you canât cope with a position other than âwith us or against usâ as youâre conditioned from media and politics to think this way) I think that this war is a complicated culmination of geopolitical shifts which have its roots back even further than the fall of the wall. I say this because youâll naturally characterise me as a âPutin supporterâ because you canât really think beyond those terms, unfortunately for you. Letâs hope at least the bloodshed and enormous amount of funding we are providing comes to an end at some point and everyone can get on with their lives. Canât be arsed to argue with another headbanger who thinks they know everything whilst proving themselves to be just a crackpot . Been there , done that . Thatâs because you canât, Yatton. You arenât bright enough, articulate enough or knowledgable enough. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 6, 2023 20:34:33 GMT
OK agree to disagree here. I think youâre exceptionally naieve after seeing with your own eyes how the exact same publications currently feeding you on this conflict have lied to you, often and repeatedly about a whole range of issues and most notably a pretext to 2 wars in 2003. Just to be crystal (as I know you canât cope with a position other than âwith us or against usâ as youâre conditioned from media and politics to think this way) I think that this war is a complicated culmination of geopolitical shifts which have its roots back even further than the fall of the wall. I say this because youâll naturally characterise me as a âPutin supporterâ because you canât really think beyond those terms, unfortunately for you. Letâs hope at least the bloodshed and enormous amount of funding we are providing comes to an end at some point and everyone can get on with their lives. First line, okay for subtleties of politics but on this I don't think we can find middle ground. Sometimes it's important to see things as they really are and not force a balance just for the sake of it. You may not like some of us here and disagree over Brexit, Boris or taxation, but naked aggression against a neighbour can't really be defended. First paragraph - you have no idea how we came to our conclusions, you are just attributing sources because it's convenient for you. The history in intertwined in many ways but recent events and the invasion doesn't need to be, it is much more simple than you are suggesting. Last paragraph, I agree it would suit everyone if it ended soon, however it can end now if Vlad decides to leave. Our backing of Ukraine means they have a chance to decide their own future, unless you prefer them to give up and surrender. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 6, 2023 21:14:17 GMT
Canât be arsed to argue with another headbanger who thinks they know everything whilst proving themselves to be just a crackpot . Been there , done that . Thatâs because you canât, Yatton. You arenât bright enough, articulate enough or knowledgable enough. True ! At least Iâm happy to admit it whilst you just carry on making yourself look like a complete prune posting your nonsense. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 6, 2023 21:20:30 GMT
OK agree to disagree here. I think youâre exceptionally naieve after seeing with your own eyes how the exact same publications currently feeding you on this conflict have lied to you, often and repeatedly about a whole range of issues and most notably a pretext to 2 wars in 2003. Just to be crystal (as I know you canât cope with a position other than âwith us or against usâ as youâre conditioned from media and politics to think this way) I think that this war is a complicated culmination of geopolitical shifts which have its roots back even further than the fall of the wall. I say this because youâll naturally characterise me as a âPutin supporterâ because you canât really think beyond those terms, unfortunately for you. Letâs hope at least the bloodshed and enormous amount of funding we are providing comes to an end at some point and everyone can get on with their lives. First line, okay for subtleties of politics but on this I don't think we can find middle ground. Sometimes it's important to see things as they really are and not force a balance just for the sake of it. You may not like some of us here and disagree over Brexit, Boris or taxation, but naked aggression against a neighbour can't really be defended. First paragraph - you have no idea how we came to our conclusions, you are just attributing sources because it's convenient for you. The history in intertwined in many ways but recent events and the invasion doesn't need to be, it is much more simple than you are suggesting. Last paragraph, I agree it would suit everyone if it ended soon, however it can end now if Vlad decides to leave. Our backing of Ukraine means they have a chance to decide their own future, unless you prefer them to give up and surrender. Ok can accept that as a sensible place to leave it but the last sentance is where we are diverging - who is deciding whoâs future? The alternative view in this conflict is that the people of Donbas and Crimea are basically being democratically outnumbered and arenât able to decide theirs. All western news says that polls support even the east wanting european alignement. Russian polls say otherwise. Each side calls each others side a sham. My own first hand experience with the region leads me to believe the Russian polls are more accurate and these regions consider themselves Russians. Purely for these regions. I donât think itâs simple, not least as this was preceded by a long and bitter civil war. The tenor of propaganda in our media is comical. The recognition of the coup government in 2014 by the EU was where alarm bells starting ringing. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 6, 2023 21:27:16 GMT
First line, okay for subtleties of politics but on this I don't think we can find middle ground. Sometimes it's important to see things as they really are and not force a balance just for the sake of it. You may not like some of us here and disagree over Brexit, Boris or taxation, but naked aggression against a neighbour can't really be defended. First paragraph - you have no idea how we came to our conclusions, you are just attributing sources because it's convenient for you. The history in intertwined in many ways but recent events and the invasion doesn't need to be, it is much more simple than you are suggesting. Last paragraph, I agree it would suit everyone if it ended soon, however it can end now if Vlad decides to leave. Our backing of Ukraine means they have a chance to decide their own future, unless you prefer them to give up and surrender. Ok can accept that as a sensible place to leave it but the last sentance is where we are diverging - who is deciding whoâs future? The alternative view in this conflict is that the people of Donbas and Crimea are basically being democratically outnumbered and arenât able to decide theirs. All western news says that polls support even the east wanting european alignement. Russian polls say otherwise. Each side calls each others side a sham. My own first hand experience with the region leads me to believe the Russian polls are more accurate and these regions consider themselves Russians. Purely for these regions. I donât think itâs simple, not least as this was preceded by a long and bitter civil war. The tenor of propaganda in our media is comical. The recognition of the coup government in 2014 by the EU was where alarm bells starting ringing. âRussian polls say otherwiseâ đđ |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 6, 2023 21:29:40 GMT
First line, okay for subtleties of politics but on this I don't think we can find middle ground. Sometimes it's important to see things as they really are and not force a balance just for the sake of it. You may not like some of us here and disagree over Brexit, Boris or taxation, but naked aggression against a neighbour can't really be defended. First paragraph - you have no idea how we came to our conclusions, you are just attributing sources because it's convenient for you. The history in intertwined in many ways but recent events and the invasion doesn't need to be, it is much more simple than you are suggesting. Last paragraph, I agree it would suit everyone if it ended soon, however it can end now if Vlad decides to leave. Our backing of Ukraine means they have a chance to decide their own future, unless you prefer them to give up and surrender. Ok can accept that as a sensible place to leave it but the last sentance is where we are diverging - who is deciding whoâs future? The alternative view in this conflict is that the people of Donbas and Crimea are basically being democratically outnumbered and arenât able to decide theirs. All western news says that polls support even the east wanting european alignement. Russian polls say otherwise. Each side calls each others side a sham. My own first hand experience with the region leads me to believe the Russian polls are more accurate and these regions consider themselves Russians. Purely for these regions. I donât think itâs simple, not least as this was preceded by a long and bitter civil war. The tenor of propaganda in our media is comical. The recognition of the coup government in 2014 by the EU was where alarm bells starting ringing. "Coup". đ¶ |
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 7, 2023 6:24:46 GMT
Ok can accept that as a sensible place to leave it but the last sentance is where we are diverging - who is deciding whoâs future? The alternative view in this conflict is that the people of Donbas and Crimea are basically being democratically outnumbered and arenât able to decide theirs. All western news says that polls support even the east wanting european alignement. Russian polls say otherwise. Each side calls each others side a sham. My own first hand experience with the region leads me to believe the Russian polls are more accurate and these regions consider themselves Russians. Purely for these regions. I donât think itâs simple, not least as this was preceded by a long and bitter civil war. The tenor of propaganda in our media is comical. The recognition of the coup government in 2014 by the EU was where alarm bells starting ringing. "Coup". đ¶ Storming Parliament without elections is generally seen as a coup dâetat. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 7, 2023 7:40:57 GMT
Storming Parliament without elections is generally seen as a coup dâetat. At what point was Parliament overthrown? |
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 7, 2023 7:58:32 GMT
Storming Parliament without elections is generally seen as a coup dâetat. At what point was Parliament overthrown? Iâve just noted both Wikipedia and most sources across the web have been quietly rewritten in the last 2 or so years. It really is a horrible world we have found ourselves in. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 7, 2023 8:12:44 GMT
At what point was Parliament overthrown? Iâve just noted both Wikipedia and most sources across the web have been quietly rewritten in the last 2 or so years. It really is a horrible world we have found ourselves in. That's inconvenient. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 7, 2023 14:15:22 GMT
Iâve just noted both Wikipedia and most sources across the web have been quietly rewritten in the last 2 or so years. It really is a horrible world we have found ourselves in. That's inconvenient. Truth always outs, eventually. Just like it did in iraq. Good luck being the eternal good guys based on the fact you were born somewhere. Will just wait for the geopolitical situation to change and âwe have always been at war with Oceanaâ will be trotted out like lemmings. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 7, 2023 14:25:12 GMT
Truth always outs, eventually. Just like it did in iraq. Good luck being the eternal good guys based on the fact you were born somewhere. Will just wait for the geopolitical situation to change and âwe have always been at war with Oceanaâ will be trotted out like lemmings. What on Earth does any of that mean? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 7, 2023 14:28:16 GMT
Truth always outs, eventually. Just like it did in iraq. Good luck being the eternal good guys based on the fact you were born somewhere. Will just wait for the geopolitical situation to change and âwe have always been at war with Oceanaâ will be trotted out like lemmings. Do lemmings trott? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 7, 2023 14:32:08 GMT
Truth always outs, eventually. Just like it did in iraq. Good luck being the eternal good guys based on the fact you were born somewhere. Will just wait for the geopolitical situation to change and âwe have always been at war with Oceanaâ will be trotted out like lemmings. What on Earth does any of that mean? Eric Cantona-esque? He's trying to quote George Orwell's 1984 and implying our support for Ukraine is based on the need to always be at war with someone, with Russia the current bogeyman. Interesting that despite eulogising over Thatcher and Boris in previous posts, GoA/GS is completely at odds with both over Putin. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 7, 2023 14:34:51 GMT
Truth always outs, eventually. Just like it did in iraq. Good luck being the eternal good guys based on the fact you were born somewhere. Will just wait for the geopolitical situation to change and âwe have always been at war with Oceanaâ will be trotted out like lemmings. Do lemmings trott? Not sure they even throw themselves off of cliffs either. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 7, 2023 14:42:33 GMT
Not sure they even throw themselves off of cliffs either. They don't, but don't let facts get in the way. |
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