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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 30, 2023 17:48:57 GMT
"A Russian court has banned LGBTQ groups from operating across the country and said gay activists should be classed as extremists. The Supreme Court in Moscow declared LGBTQ activists should be banned from taking part in campaigning in Russia, sparking fears gay people will be rounded up and thrown in jail. The landmark ruling today effectively outlawed LGBTQ activism, in another step Russian authorities have taken in recent years against gay, lesbian and transgender rights. The legal request was made by the justice ministry earlier this month, in a move to shut down those pushing for increased rights for the community. In the filing, it was claimed "signs and manifestations of an extremist nature" by an LGBTQ "social movement" had been discovered operating in Russia, including "incitement of social and religious discord". However, no evidence of this was submitted to the court as part of the government department's case." news.sky.com/story/russian-supreme-court-bans-the-whole-lgbtq-movement-and-brands-activists-extremists-13019582 |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 30, 2023 18:04:06 GMT
"A Russian court has banned LGBTQ groups from operating across the country and said gay activists should be classed as extremists. The Supreme Court in Moscow declared LGBTQ activists should be banned from taking part in campaigning in Russia, sparking fears gay people will be rounded up and thrown in jail. The landmark ruling today effectively outlawed LGBTQ activism, in another step Russian authorities have taken in recent years against gay, lesbian and transgender rights. The legal request was made by the justice ministry earlier this month, in a move to shut down those pushing for increased rights for the community. In the filing, it was claimed "signs and manifestations of an extremist nature" by an LGBTQ "social movement" had been discovered operating in Russia, including "incitement of social and religious discord". However, no evidence of this was submitted to the court as part of the government department's case." news.sky.com/story/russian-supreme-court-bans-the-whole-lgbtq-movement-and-brands-activists-extremists-13019582We're going back to the dark ages😕😕 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 30, 2023 20:45:19 GMT
"A Russian court has banned LGBTQ groups from operating across the country and said gay activists should be classed as extremists. The Supreme Court in Moscow declared LGBTQ activists should be banned from taking part in campaigning in Russia, sparking fears gay people will be rounded up and thrown in jail. The landmark ruling today effectively outlawed LGBTQ activism, in another step Russian authorities have taken in recent years against gay, lesbian and transgender rights. The legal request was made by the justice ministry earlier this month, in a move to shut down those pushing for increased rights for the community. In the filing, it was claimed "signs and manifestations of an extremist nature" by an LGBTQ "social movement" had been discovered operating in Russia, including "incitement of social and religious discord". However, no evidence of this was submitted to the court as part of the government department's case." news.sky.com/story/russian-supreme-court-bans-the-whole-lgbtq-movement-and-brands-activists-extremists-13019582We're going back to the dark ages😕😕 Maybe they should wear pink triangles to show what they are. Funny, I swore some on here said the nazis were on the Ukrainian side.😶 |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 30, 2023 21:22:51 GMT
We're going back to the dark ages😕😕 Maybe they should wear pink triangles to show what they are. Funny, I swore some on here said the nazis were on the Ukrainian side.😶 It's proper depressing |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 30, 2023 21:47:46 GMT
Maybe they should wear pink triangles to show what they are. Funny, I swore some on here said the nazis were on the Ukrainian side.😶 It's proper depressing What's more depressing is that there are so many who would still back Putin, he still has his apologists and troll farms. I've felt for a long time that we are in the 1930s again, thankfully the west is a little more organised and Ukraine is putting up a fierce, if costly, resistance. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 30, 2023 21:54:54 GMT
What's more depressing is that there are so many who would still back Putin, he still has his apologists and troll farms. I've felt for a long time that we are in the 1930s again, thankfully the west is a little more organised and Ukraine is putting up a fierce, if costly, resistance. If Trump gets back in all bets are off. Depressingly they’ll be posters on this very forum who’ll be hoping he wins. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 30, 2023 22:03:53 GMT
What's more depressing is that there are so many who would still back Putin, he still has his apologists and troll farms. I've felt for a long time that we are in the 1930s again, thankfully the west is a little more organised and Ukraine is putting up a fierce, if costly, resistance. I agree Stuart,the conundrum is how long will the West continue to support Ukraine,the Russians as we know from history have infinite resolve to take this to a final conclusion and unless something changes internally in Russia I can only see Ukraine having to compromise to maintain their existing sovereignty. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 30, 2023 23:40:40 GMT
What's more depressing is that there are so many who would still back Putin, he still has his apologists and troll farms. I've felt for a long time that we are in the 1930s again, thankfully the west is a little more organised and Ukraine is putting up a fierce, if costly, resistance. I agree Stuart,the conundrum is how long will the West continue to support Ukraine,the Russians as we know from history have infinite resolve to take this to a final conclusion and unless something changes internally in Russia I can only see Ukraine having to compromise to maintain their existing sovereignty. Reminds me a little of the Winter War against Finland, may have to trade some land for peace. I do hope not though, it would mean Round 2 in a few years and would give Putin time to regroup and rearm. A coup may be the lesser of two evils, but that also comes with its uncertainties. Best hope is to keep Ukraine supplied and hope they can force a withdrawal of some description at not too great a cost. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 2, 2023 23:40:23 GMT
And so it starts: "Police in Moscow have raided several gay clubs, local media report, a day after Russia's Supreme Court moved to outlaw the "LGBT movement". Club goers were briefly held and their passports were photographed during the raids late on Friday, Telegram channel Ostorozhno Novosti said. One attendee told the channel he feared he would be given a lengthy jail term. The police said they were searching for drugs, Ostorozhno Novosti said. City officials have not commented so far. "In the middle of the party, the music was stopped, and [police] began going into the lounges", one eyewitness told the outlet, adding that foreigners were also present at the gathering in central Moscow. Sota, another Telegram channel, said three clubs were raided on Friday evening in the Russian capital." www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67601647 |
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Post by supergas on Dec 3, 2023 10:26:17 GMT
I agree Stuart,the conundrum is how long will the West continue to support Ukraine,the Russians as we know from history have infinite resolve to take this to a final conclusion and unless something changes internally in Russia I can only see Ukraine having to compromise to maintain their existing sovereignty. Reminds me a little of the Winter War against Finland, may have to trade some land for peace. I do hope not though, it would mean Round 2 in a few years and would give Putin time to regroup and rearm. A coup may be the lesser of two evils, but that also comes with its uncertainties. Best hope is to keep Ukraine supplied and hope they can force a withdrawal of some description at not too great a cost. ...I think you mean Round 3, this is already Round two after the occupation of Crimea in 2014... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 3, 2023 10:37:02 GMT
Reminds me a little of the Winter War against Finland, may have to trade some land for peace. I do hope not though, it would mean Round 2 in a few years and would give Putin time to regroup and rearm. A coup may be the lesser of two evils, but that also comes with its uncertainties. Best hope is to keep Ukraine supplied and hope they can force a withdrawal of some description at not too great a cost. ...I think you mean Round 3, this is already Round two after the occupation of Crimea in 2014... Or even R4 with the Donbass, but yes. R2 in a general sense of the full scale invasion. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 5, 2023 15:56:43 GMT
"Poland's national security agency has warned an attack on NATO by Russia could come sooner than anticipated. Jacek Siewiera, head of the National Security Bureau, pushed back on a German thinktank's estimate that Russia could directly attack the West in "as little as six to 10 years". "If we want to avoid war, NATO countries on the eastern flank should adopt a shorter, three-year time period to prepare for confrontation," he told the Nasz Dziennik newspaper. Last month, the German Council on Foreign Relations warned Russia could invade a NATO country in six years' time. It said Germany's armed forces needed a "quantum leap" to be prepared for it." news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-live-updates-sky-news-blog-12541713?postid=6872127#liveblog-body |
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Post by baggins on Dec 6, 2023 13:52:06 GMT
"Poland's national security agency has warned an attack on NATO by Russia could come sooner than anticipated. Jacek Siewiera, head of the National Security Bureau, pushed back on a German thinktank's estimate that Russia could directly attack the West in "as little as six to 10 years". "If we want to avoid war, NATO countries on the eastern flank should adopt a shorter, three-year time period to prepare for confrontation," he told the Nasz Dziennik newspaper. Last month, the German Council on Foreign Relations warned Russia could invade a NATO country in six years' time. It said Germany's armed forces needed a "quantum leap" to be prepared for it." news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-live-updates-sky-news-blog-12541713?postid=6872127#liveblog-bodyRussia agressively puts one foot on a NATO Countries territory, and that'll be the end of them. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 6, 2023 15:29:58 GMT
"Poland's national security agency has warned an attack on NATO by Russia could come sooner than anticipated. Jacek Siewiera, head of the National Security Bureau, pushed back on a German thinktank's estimate that Russia could directly attack the West in "as little as six to 10 years". "If we want to avoid war, NATO countries on the eastern flank should adopt a shorter, three-year time period to prepare for confrontation," he told the Nasz Dziennik newspaper. Last month, the German Council on Foreign Relations warned Russia could invade a NATO country in six years' time. It said Germany's armed forces needed a "quantum leap" to be prepared for it." news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-live-updates-sky-news-blog-12541713?postid=6872127#liveblog-bodyRussia agressively puts one foot on a NATO Countries territory, and that'll be the end of them. Only if we remain united and credible. Any hint of major nations (especially the US under Trump) not holding firm, then the Baltics will be getting even more twitchy. |
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Post by supergas on Dec 7, 2023 5:25:38 GMT
"Poland's national security agency has warned an attack on NATO by Russia could come sooner than anticipated. Jacek Siewiera, head of the National Security Bureau, pushed back on a German thinktank's estimate that Russia could directly attack the West in "as little as six to 10 years". "If we want to avoid war, NATO countries on the eastern flank should adopt a shorter, three-year time period to prepare for confrontation," he told the Nasz Dziennik newspaper. Last month, the German Council on Foreign Relations warned Russia could invade a NATO country in six years' time. It said Germany's armed forces needed a "quantum leap" to be prepared for it." news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-live-updates-sky-news-blog-12541713?postid=6872127#liveblog-bodyRussia agressively puts one foot on a NATO Countries territory, and that'll be the end of them. ...the end of Russia? Unlikely... ...the end of NATO? Increasingly likely... The Ukraine conflict has been the most recent way that Russia has tested NATO, and on all levels their response has failed. Politically there are so many divisions inside NATO that Putin has already achieved what he wanted. Those member states that feel under threat are asking for help and getting little backing. The EU is trying to control their members' response seemingly ignoring the strength of using NATO for that role. Militarily, even though Ukraine is not a member there were actions NATO has avoided (for example not stopping the illegal Russian blockade of Ukraine ports ) NATO has been a strength of the 'West' for decades but it has taken it's eye off the ball - and Russia has finally realised that. Nearly two years into the lastest comflict there is little to nothing NATO is doing well and more worrying than the fact that Russia knows that is that many NATO members know that and they are not fixing it.... |
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Post by baggins on Dec 7, 2023 6:27:27 GMT
Russia agressively puts one foot on a NATO Countries territory, and that'll be the end of them. ...the end of Russia? Unlikely... ...the end of NATO? Increasingly likely... The Ukraine conflict has been the most recent way that Russia has tested NATO, and on all levels their response has failed. Politically there are so many divisions inside NATO that Putin has already achieved what he wanted. Those member states that feel under threat are asking for help and getting little backing. The EU is trying to control their members' response seemingly ignoring the strength of using NATO for that role. Militarily, even though Ukraine is not a member there were actions NATO has avoided (for example not stopping the illegal Russian blockade of Ukraine ports ) NATO has been a strength of the 'West' for decades but it has taken it's eye off the ball - and Russia has finally realised that. Nearly two years into the lastest comflict there is little to nothing NATO is doing well and more worrying than the fact that Russia knows that is that many NATO members know that and they are not fixing it.... Has Russia actually put troops into a NATO Country yet? |
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Post by supergas on Dec 7, 2023 7:48:15 GMT
...the end of Russia? Unlikely... ...the end of NATO? Increasingly likely... The Ukraine conflict has been the most recent way that Russia has tested NATO, and on all levels their response has failed. Politically there are so many divisions inside NATO that Putin has already achieved what he wanted. Those member states that feel under threat are asking for help and getting little backing. The EU is trying to control their members' response seemingly ignoring the strength of using NATO for that role. Militarily, even though Ukraine is not a member there were actions NATO has avoided (for example not stopping the illegal Russian blockade of Ukraine ports ) NATO has been a strength of the 'West' for decades but it has taken it's eye off the ball - and Russia has finally realised that. Nearly two years into the lastest conflict there is little to nothing NATO is doing well and more worrying than the fact that Russia knows that is that many NATO members know that and they are not fixing it.... Has Russia actually put troops into a NATO Country yet? No, but nothing NATO has said or done in the last 5-10 years makes me think that Article 5 would be properly applied if/when the first incursion takes place. NATO's strength has always been about preventing attack due to political and military co-operation, not sure it has that strength any more and I suspect Russia thinks the same.... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 7, 2023 7:53:58 GMT
Russia agressively puts one foot on a NATO Countries territory, and that'll be the end of them. ...the end of Russia? Unlikely... ...the end of NATO? Increasingly likely... The Ukraine conflict has been the most recent way that Russia has tested NATO, and on all levels their response has failed. Politically there are so many divisions inside NATO that Putin has already achieved what he wanted. Those member states that feel under threat are asking for help and getting little backing. The EU is trying to control their members' response seemingly ignoring the strength of using NATO for that role. Militarily, even though Ukraine is not a member there were actions NATO has avoided (for example not stopping the illegal Russian blockade of Ukraine ports ) NATO has been a strength of the 'West' for decades but it has taken it's eye off the ball - and Russia has finally realised that. Nearly two years into the lastest comflict there is little to nothing NATO is doing well and more worrying than the fact that Russia knows that is that many NATO members know that and they are not fixing it.... Wrong on all counts there, Super. It has strengthened Nato with Sweden and Finland, and it's probably never been more united than since the Cold War. How could it have prevented the blockade, within the Montreaux Convention? The EU won't control member states, not sure where you got that from. Nato members are starting to get their houses in order (eg Poland) and Nato has bolstered forces in several states, especially the Baltics and Poland. Russia has become a kleptocracy under Putin, if there is no natural successor then there is a real concern there will be blood spilt in replacing him. |
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Post by supergas on Dec 7, 2023 9:18:21 GMT
...the end of Russia? Unlikely... ...the end of NATO? Increasingly likely... The Ukraine conflict has been the most recent way that Russia has tested NATO, and on all levels their response has failed. Politically there are so many divisions inside NATO that Putin has already achieved what he wanted. Those member states that feel under threat are asking for help and getting little backing. The EU is trying to control their members' response seemingly ignoring the strength of using NATO for that role. Militarily, even though Ukraine is not a member there were actions NATO has avoided (for example not stopping the illegal Russian blockade of Ukraine ports ) NATO has been a strength of the 'West' for decades but it has taken it's eye off the ball - and Russia has finally realised that. Nearly two years into the lastest comflict there is little to nothing NATO is doing well and more worrying than the fact that Russia knows that is that many NATO members know that and they are not fixing it.... Wrong on all counts there, Super. It has strengthened Nato with Sweden and Finland, and it's probably never been more united than since the Cold War. How could it have prevented the blockade, within the Montreaux Convention? The EU won't control member states, not sure where you got that from. Nato members are starting to get their houses in order (eg Poland) and Nato has bolstered forces in several states, especially the Baltics and Poland. Russia has become a kleptocracy under Putin, if there is no natural successor then there is a real concern there will be blood spilt in replacing him. Enlarged NATO, yes. Strengthened? Not so sure... Turkey was not a big fan of either Finland or Sweden, and Croatia had issues with Sweden joining. Hungary seemed in favour but has delayed and delayed and so Sweden still hasn't become a member. Can't see them all singing Kum ba yah around the campfire on training missions, let alone coming to each other's mutual defense any time soon... ...the EU is still playing politics with this against (rather than alongside) NATO - for a long time it has wanted to become the lead in defense/military matters for member states and doesn't seem to be dropping those aims anytime soon, despite NATO's success for most of the late 20th century... The biggest issue is the politics of an enlarged NATO and an enlarged EU up against the Russian border/sphere of control...without Article 5 NATO is just a nice club where they meet up from time to time for conferences and to shoot blanks at each other, but sooner or later Russia (possibly under the guise of a mistake or another country) might test whether Article 5 would actually be invoked....if NATO blinks (and I think they might) it's basically a redundant organisation with several very nice HQs.... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 7, 2023 9:35:44 GMT
Wrong on all counts there, Super. It has strengthened Nato with Sweden and Finland, and it's probably never been more united than since the Cold War. How could it have prevented the blockade, within the Montreaux Convention? The EU won't control member states, not sure where you got that from. Nato members are starting to get their houses in order (eg Poland) and Nato has bolstered forces in several states, especially the Baltics and Poland. Russia has become a kleptocracy under Putin, if there is no natural successor then there is a real concern there will be blood spilt in replacing him. Enlarged NATO, yes. Strengthened? Not so sure... Turkey was not a big fan of either Finland or Sweden, and Croatia had issues with Sweden joining. Hungary seemed in favour but has delayed and delayed and so Sweden still hasn't become a member. Can't see them all singing Kum ba yah around the campfire on training missions, let alone coming to each other's mutual defense any time soon... ...the EU is still playing politics with this against (rather than alongside) NATO - for a long time it has wanted to become the lead in defense/military matters for member states and doesn't seem to be dropping those aims anytime soon, despite NATO's success for most of the late 20th century... The biggest issue is the politics of an enlarged NATO and an enlarged EU up against the Russian border/sphere of control...without Article 5 NATO is just a nice club where they meet up from time to time for conferences and to shoot blanks at each other, but sooner or later Russia (possibly under the guise of a mistake or another country) might test whether Article 5 would actually be invoked....if NATO blinks (and I think they might) it's basically a redundant organisation with several very nice HQs.... No, definitely strengthened, Finland and Sweden provide support to the Baltics which previously were isolated. Once Poland rearms (and even now) could match Russia in many respects. Finland have one of the largest artillery forces in Europe. I wouldn't take Orban or Erdoğan as a barometer, they are playing both sides off for political gain (Turkey are after US F16s for example). There are over 30 nations in Nato, as I said before, provided the 'big boys' turn up then it's still more than a club. Even if A5 isn't formally triggered, enough will back them. EU? No chance, never was. |
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