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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 28, 2022 15:45:37 GMT
Sorry KP, that's not the case here. With Cuba, the missiles were already en route, Ukraine was nowhere near joining Nato. There is no way whilst there remains a dispute over the eastern parts and Crimea. Add to that Viktor Orban would veto membership due to his close ties with Putin. Besides, there is no reason for the US to base nuclear missiles in Ukraine, plenty of other Nato countries do not have them. There is a thread in general chat if you want to join in, this one should be left to the football implications imho. I think it has a place here as football is directly involved. As for membership of N A T O Putin made his thoughts very clear on this but the agenda was pushed and hard, by the USA. In situations such as these, one has to be careful not to get caught up in the propaganda that is always around, surfing any conflict. I have a couple of extended family who live in lviv but used to be Lwów when it was Poland and seen as the cultural capital of Poland, i had hoped to visit them this year but that is the least of my concerns now and i hope that something can happen to get the madman to withdraw his troops. The Russian people, by and large, are against this but any news is being suppressed. It’s an awful time for all concerned. I was refering to the political angle being in General Chat, not the topic itself. Football, and more widely, sport, is very much part of this. Hope your family stay safe.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 28, 2022 15:48:47 GMT
Poland are the first country putting their heads on the block so to speak, by still refusing to play Russia on 24th March, regardless of what flag/name they will be playing under. Hopefully all the other nations will support them if FIFA take action.
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Post by oldie on Feb 28, 2022 16:46:19 GMT
Poland are the first country putting their heads on the block so to speak, by still refusing to play Russia on 24th March, regardless of what flag/name they will be playing under. Hopefully all the other nations will support them if FIFA take action. Absolutely
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 28, 2022 17:47:58 GMT
FIFA and UEFA have suspended all Russian teams, both club and national from participating in any tournament until further notice
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Post by yattongas on Feb 28, 2022 17:56:15 GMT
FIFA and UEFA have suspended all Russian teams, both club and national from participating in any tournament until further notice Good ! They weren’t left with much choice though as nobody would play them.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 28, 2022 17:59:14 GMT
FIFA and UEFA have suspended all Russian teams, both club and national from participating in any tournament until further notice Good - should have done that in the first instance. Corrupt organaisations.
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 28, 2022 18:04:12 GMT
FIFA and UEFA have suspended all Russian teams, both club and national from participating in any tournament until further notice Good - should have done that in the first instance. Corrupt organaisations. Yep.
FIFA gave them the World Cup just 4 years ago.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 28, 2022 18:45:26 GMT
FIFA and UEFA have suspended all Russian teams, both club and national from participating in any tournament until further notice Good - should have done that in the first instance. Corrupt organaisations. Yes, totally agree. It’s amazing isn’t it? These large organisations make a knee jerk reaction as FIFA did yesterday. Then they get the international feedback and almost total disagreement before making a U- turn. Why don’t they just take some time, reflect upon what might be the best thing to do, take the views of their partners (country FAs like Poland, Czech, Sweden) and perhaps not make important decisions over a weekend. Then make the decision that is obviously right. Like they have appeared to do now. Had they done that they wouldn’t have had the bad press they did yesterday. Absolutely brainless. UTG!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 28, 2022 18:46:54 GMT
Good - should have done that in the first instance. Corrupt organaisations. Yes, totally agree. It’s amazing isn’t it? These large organisations make a knee jerk reaction as FIFA did yesterday. Then they get the international feedback and almost total disagreement before making a U- turn. Why don’t they just take some time, reflect upon what might be the best thing to do, take the views of their partners (country FAs like Poland, Czech, Sweden) and perhaps not make important decisions over a weekend. Then make the decision that is obviously right. Like they have appeared to do now. Had they done that they wouldn’t have had the bad press they did yesterday. Absolutely brainless. UTG! Fair play to those guns for sticking to their guns too! Up yours Putin and Fifa!
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Post by peterparker on Feb 28, 2022 18:49:28 GMT
Meanwhile our manager goes and opens his gob again
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Post by gaslife on Feb 28, 2022 19:05:57 GMT
Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich 'trying to broker peace' between Russia & Ukraine, according to spokesperson Abramovich's spokesperson said: "Abramovich was contacted by the Ukrainian side for support in achieving a peaceful resolution, and that he has been trying to help ever since." Roman Abramovich is attempting to broker peace between Russia and Ukraine, the Chelsea owner's spokesperson has said. The Russian-Israeli billionaire handed "stewardship and care" of Chelsea to the club foundation's trustees on Saturday, in a move aimed to protect the Stamford Bridge club. But now the 55-year-old is trying to help bring an end to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. "I can confirm that Roman Abramovich was contacted by the Ukrainian side for support in achieving a peaceful resolution, and that he has been trying to help ever since," Abramovich's spokesperson told the PA news agency. "Considering what is at stake, we would ask for your understanding as to why we have not commented on neither the situation as such nor his involvement. Thank you." Rodnyansky has claimed that representatives from Ukraine's government have expressed gratitude for Abramovich's attempts at help. "I can confirm that the Ukrainian side have been trying to find someone in Russia willing to help them in finding a peaceful resolution," said Rodnyansky. "They are connected to Roman Abramovich through the Jewish community and reached out to him for help. "Roman Abramovich has been trying to mobilize support for a peaceful resolution ever since. Although Roman Abramovich's influence is limited, he is the only one who responded and taken it upon himself to try. "If this will have an impact or not, I don't know, but I am in contact with Zelensky's staff myself, and know that they are grateful for his genuine efforts." Abramovich stepped back from day-to-day running of Chelsea on Saturday night. He will retain ownership of Chelsea but has handed all decision making to the west London club's charitable foundation trustees. www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12553983/chelsea-owner-roman-abramovich-trying-to-broker-peace-between-russia-ukraine-according-to-spokespersonUkrainians are not stupid. They know where Abramovich’s loyalties lie i.e. firmly with his ‘father figure’, the one who made him fabulously wealthy and kept the Russian people oppressed and desperately poor. The request for Abramovich to be involved in talks is not because anyone thinks he might be some sort of impartial referee. Abramovich is desperate to avoid losing another big chunk of his fortune following his expensive divorce and needs to present the illusion that he isn’t in Pariah Putin’s pocket anymore. The whole point of sanctioning or threatening to sanction oligarchs is for them to somehow put pressure on the Kremlin Killer in the faint hope that he might have some loyalty to his enablers and compassion for his victims. He doesn’t. If Abramovich manages to stop this appalling unprovoked war then great; he will have earned not being sanctioned, he can take back his football club, have as many visas as he wants and maybe a statue on Maidan. Otherwise it was just a failed stunt and in the future if/when this nightmare ends, he could be appearing in The Hague alongside his master.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 28, 2022 19:05:58 GMT
Meanwhile our manager goes and opens his gob again Any more info? I've obviously missed something.
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Post by gaslife on Feb 28, 2022 19:07:58 GMT
Abramovich is right at the top of the Navalny 35 List of 'Russian Human Rights Abusers, Kleptocrats and Corruptioners'. This list is taken very seriously in Europe and may influence future EU sanctions against Russian individuals. Abromovich has many valuable assets around Europe including his super yachts which are hurriedly being floated back to Russian ports now, as are Putin's, with whom it has been said he has a 'father and son' type relationship. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navalny_35You get all your information from Wikipedia?
So the Russian opposition leader jailed, tortured, poisoned by Putin thinks Putin’s favourite ‘son’ oligarch Abramovich is complicit in state level criminality and should be internationally sanctioned, but you think he’s just a decent bloke who likes football and shouldn’t be.
OK right.
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Post by gaslife on Feb 28, 2022 19:11:32 GMT
It’s close to a mirror image of the Cuba crisis but in reverse, it could all have been avoided by refusing NATO membership to Ukraine. The Americans are using their weight to push this, so long as they are not directly involved. Kennedy would not allow nukes in Cuba so Putin is basically doing the same here. There is much more to this than what we are being led to believe and not just about one person. Sorry KP, that's not the case here. With Cuba, the missiles were already en route, Ukraine was nowhere near joining Nato. There is no way whilst there remains a dispute over the eastern parts and Crimea. Add to that Viktor Orban would veto membership due to his close ties with Putin. Besides, there is no reason for the US to base nuclear missiles in Ukraine, plenty of other Nato countries do not have them. There is a thread in general chat if you want to join in, this one should be left to the football implications imho. Sorry ‘olskooltoteender’ your post reads like a press release from RT, BBC or The Daily Express. ‘coup’, ‘separatists backed by Russia’ ? Come on! Have you ever lived in Ukraine? Do you know any Ukrainians? Were you there in 2014 during the Revolution of Dignity? A huge reason why we are in such a terrible state now is due to perpetual Putin appeasement and the uncorrected regurgitation of Kremlin propaganda by our media over many years. If you are genuinely are interested in the truth in depth about Ukraine (and Putin’s Russia) please refer to numerous authoritative books on the subject or for example the publications of the highly respected expert journalists and historian Anne Applebaum. Otherwise best stick to lower league football I think.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 28, 2022 19:24:42 GMT
Meanwhile our manager goes and opens his gob again Any more info? I've obviously missed something. He has tweeted something about Putin will obviously give up now FIFA have banned them from football and it is the worst punishment to man. Obviously he is being sarcastic (I hope), but read the room Joey. For a man who like to be seen to be intelligent and well read, I am sure he would see the bigger picture rather than posting flippant tweets on the subject
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 28, 2022 19:32:01 GMT
Sorry KP, that's not the case here. With Cuba, the missiles were already en route, Ukraine was nowhere near joining Nato. There is no way whilst there remains a dispute over the eastern parts and Crimea. Add to that Viktor Orban would veto membership due to his close ties with Putin. Besides, there is no reason for the US to base nuclear missiles in Ukraine, plenty of other Nato countries do not have them. There is a thread in general chat if you want to join in, this one should be left to the football implications imho. Sorry ‘olskooltoteender’ your post reads like a press release from RT, BBC or The Daily Express. ‘coup’, ‘separatists backed by Russia’ ? Come on! Have you ever lived in Ukraine? Do you know any Ukrainians? Were you there in 2014 during the Revolution of Dignity? A huge reason why we are in such a terrible state now is due to perpetual Putin appeasement and the uncorrected regurgitation of Kremlin propaganda by our media over many years. If you are genuinely are interested in the truth in depth about Ukraine (and Putin’s Russia) please refer to numerous authoritative books on the subject or for example the publications of the highly respected expert journalists and historian Anne Applebaum. Otherwise best stick to lower league football I think. Misquote? I agree with you.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 28, 2022 19:35:32 GMT
Any more info? I've obviously missed something. He has tweeted something about Putin will obviously give up now FIFA have banned them from football and it is the worst punishment to man. Obviously he is being sarcastic (I hope), but read the room Joey. For a man who like to be seen to be intelligent and well read, I am sure he would see the bigger picture rather than posting flippant tweets on the subject
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 28, 2022 19:36:14 GMT
Deep sigh !
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Post by The Equaliser on Feb 28, 2022 19:36:14 GMT
Any more info? I've obviously missed something. He has tweeted something about Putin will obviously give up now FIFA have banned them from football and it is the worst punishment to man. Obviously he is being sarcastic (I hope), but read the room Joey. For a man who like to be seen to be intelligent and well read, I am sure he would see the bigger picture rather than posting flippant tweets on the subject Did you tell him to f**k off again?
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Post by peterparker on Feb 28, 2022 19:42:27 GMT
He has tweeted something about Putin will obviously give up now FIFA have banned them from football and it is the worst punishment to man. Obviously he is being sarcastic (I hope), but read the room Joey. For a man who like to be seen to be intelligent and well read, I am sure he would see the bigger picture rather than posting flippant tweets on the subject Did you tell him to f**k off again? No just shook my head
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