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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 1, 2022 9:34:40 GMT
I don't think so, I thought it made the point pretty well. Anyone can make a point by totally dismissing context! Context - Shankly said this in the 1970's. Healthcare was nowhere near the level it is these days, people lived shorter lives, death figures of adults and children would have been particularly high in city like Liverpool, which suffered from widespread poverty.
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Post by Gastafari on Mar 1, 2022 10:08:44 GMT
Abramovich is of Ukranian descent, he is also Jewish like Volodymyr Zelenskyy. But, hey just ignore the basic facts! Show me the basic fact where Abromovich condemns the invasion ? Maybe he just want's to stay alive, right now!!
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Mar 1, 2022 10:48:25 GMT
FFS wise-up you Gas. This isn't about being a clever dick and spouting political theory. This topic is about Ukrainian people - people like us. Ukrainians have always been fearful of Russia because they know Russia can walk all over them, so they have been very benign and prudent. Ukrainian people are peace-loving, nature-loving, family & friends-loving, generous and kind to each other and their guests. THESE are the people we must talk about not pathetic politicians (Germany & Italy take note). One of my friends is right now queuing on the Polish border with kids, another has fled with his family to the countryside to escape the bombing, and another is......we don't know where, but lives in Kyiv. No contact. Very worried. Remember, you Gas, that Ukrainians are EUROPEANS. They have European tastes, behaviour, religions, understanding and hopes. They really love their country, not nationalistically, because it is their home. Now compare all that with the other lot. Ukrainian refugees are welcome in my house any time - they truly would enrich our lives. Hmmmm - Not quite accurate but I hope you friends are OK
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Post by pirate on Mar 1, 2022 10:50:28 GMT
I see the clubs official twitter account has adopted the Ukranian flag colours, yet Wael was happy to appear on RT in 2018. 🤔
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Mar 1, 2022 11:07:07 GMT
I see the clubs official twitter account has adopted the Ukranian flag colours, yet Wael was happy to appear on RT in 2018. 🤔 They hadn't invaded Ukraine then me old fruit
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Post by pirate on Mar 1, 2022 11:21:33 GMT
I see the clubs official twitter account has adopted the Ukranian flag colours, yet Wael was happy to appear on RT in 2018. 🤔 They hadn't invaded Ukraine then me old fruit No, but the conflict started in 2014 me old fruit. Not to mention the allegations against the Putin regime of poisoning people on our streets, murdering journalists and others opposed to him.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 1, 2022 11:23:00 GMT
Well, at least you admit to being shallow and fatuous. Maybe our manager can learn from you. Well, that's me told! I've not been called shallow before. I can indeed be fatuous, it's usually a defence/deflective mechanism when something bad happens in my life. I apologise that it offended on this occassion, in a wider context. Yr not taking that remark seriously Tills - just oldie trying to lord it over us mere mortals 🤣💙
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 1, 2022 11:27:22 GMT
They hadn't invaded Ukraine then me old fruit No, but the conflict started in 2014 me old fruit. Not to mention the allegations against the Putin regime of poisoning people on our streets, murdering journalists and others opposed to him. Don't forget Georgia in 2008.
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Post by miamigas on Mar 1, 2022 11:35:01 GMT
FIFA and UEFA have suspended all Russian teams, both club and national from participating in any tournament until further notice Good - should have done that in the first instance. Corrupt organaisations. Something we can all rely on is FIFA always doing the wrong thing. Doing what’s right doesn’t even flash across their collective conscience. Yesterday was simply a matter of their number crunchers figuring out that the money they would gain from keeping Russia in the WC, albeit under a pseudonym (that’ll learn ‘em), was less than the money they would receive if they kicked them out. £1 either way could have tipped the balance. FIFA’s morals are not black and white, they are purely black and red. An organisation shameful to its core. UTG!
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Post by pirate on Mar 1, 2022 11:35:54 GMT
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Mar 1, 2022 12:34:13 GMT
They hadn't invaded Ukraine then me old fruit No, but the conflict started in 2014 me old fruit. Not to mention the allegations against the Putin regime of poisoning people on our streets, murdering journalists and others opposed to him. No sanctions back then - If folks were not allowed to have any dealings with anyone from any country because of what they had done in the past who would we be allowed to deal with - and who with deal with us ?
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Post by Gashead73 on Mar 1, 2022 12:36:48 GMT
Is this the page' or who mentioned about us playing in Yellow & Blue, at Home to show our support for Ukraine?
I thought it was an amazing idea!
Just saying..... 🙄👍
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 1, 2022 13:29:14 GMT
Is this the page' or who mentioned about us playing in Yellow & Blue, at Home to show our support for Ukraine? I thought it was an amazing idea! Just saying..... 🙄👍 Patricia Gardener, who is on the SC Committee, raised it with Tom G. Apparently we are only allowed to make one change from our regular kit, which we have already done this season, to highlight homelessness.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 1, 2022 13:57:17 GMT
I think it has a place here as football is directly involved. As for membership of N A T O Putin made his thoughts very clear on this but the agenda was pushed and hard, by the USA. In situations such as these, one has to be careful not to get caught up in the propaganda that is always around, surfing any conflict. I have a couple of extended family who live in lviv but used to be Lwów when it was Poland and seen as the cultural capital of Poland, i had hoped to visit them this year but that is the least of my concerns now and i hope that something can happen to get the madman to withdraw his troops. The Russian people, by and large, are against this but any news is being suppressed. It’s an awful time for all concerned. I was refering to the political angle being in General Chat, not the topic itself. Football, and more widely, sport, is very much part of this. Hope your family stay safe. Thank you, 2 of them have gone to Poland but had to wait 2 days to get there. The other 4 are staying. I just hope they know what they are doing.
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Post by pirate on Mar 1, 2022 14:34:10 GMT
Is this the page' or who mentioned about us playing in Yellow & Blue, at Home to show our support for Ukraine? I thought it was an amazing idea! Just saying..... 🙄👍 Maybe we could change our away kit too in support of the Yemeni people in the "world’s worst humanitarian crisis" with over 112,000 people dead, 70 per cent of the total population (including 11.3 million children) in need of humanitarian assistance?
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 1, 2022 16:08:24 GMT
Is this the page' or who mentioned about us playing in Yellow & Blue, at Home to show our support for Ukraine? I thought it was an amazing idea! Just saying..... 🙄👍 Patricia Gardener, who is on the SC Committee, raised it with Tom G. Apparently we are only allowed to make one change from our regular kit, which we have already done this season, to highlight homelessness. Rules rules and more bloody rules - I despair 😫💙
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Post by yattongas on Mar 1, 2022 17:45:44 GMT
Show me the basic fact where Abromovich condemns the invasion ? Maybe he just want's to stay alive, right now!! I see he’s selling his London property now .
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Post by oldie on Mar 1, 2022 19:08:35 GMT
Well, that's me told! I've not been called shallow before. I can indeed be fatuous, it's usually a defence/deflective mechanism when something bad happens in my life. I apologise that it offended on this occassion, in a wider context. Yr not taking that remark seriously Tills - just oldie trying to lord it over us mere mortals 🤣💙 Not really Purdown. You know I support your position on a lot of matters, that does not preclude me from my attacking ignorance
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 1, 2022 19:41:36 GMT
I know you do oldie - didn’t mean it in any malicious way 💙 UTG
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 1, 2022 22:09:04 GMT
Anyone can make a point by totally dismissing context! Context - Shankly said this in the 1970's. Healthcare was nowhere near the level it is these days, people lived shorter lives, death figures of adults and children would have been particularly high in city like Liverpool, which suffered from widespread poverty. He (Shankly) wasn’t directly referencing all those things though so it’s a totally baseless argument to make. I honestly don’t care what Barton said at all. I’m simply pointing out that the comparison to Shankley’s comments were totally out of context!
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