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Post by Gastafari on Nov 29, 2023 8:09:12 GMT
Which is why we needed JCH who does the same. Don't you think the money could be better spent on a younger option with a potential sell-on value, rather than £7k+ p/w on a 3 year contract for someone with known fitness issues? We lack pace and and an option to stretch defences and run in behind. When you consider the Dutch top flight Eredivisie and French 2nd tier average weekly wage is £5.5k and £2.6k respectively, surely we are able to find a decent younger option with value somewhere across the globe? Possibly, but that's also a gamble. I don't think JCH is a gamble, regardless of his age, JCH has scored 85 goals in his last 140 League 1 games if my maths is correct. If he scores the goals to get us promoted either this or next season, then it's money well spent. Has he got fitness issues? How many games has he missed over the last 4 years through injury? I'm not too bothered about sell on value, it's not my money. What I am bothered about is actually getting to a level we haven't been at for 30 whole years. We're lacking a proven goalscorer. JCH fits that bill perfectly. |
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Post by madgas on Nov 29, 2023 8:13:52 GMT
Which is why we needed JCH who does the same. For a club losing money hand over fist, don't you think the money could be better spent on a younger option with a potential sell-on value, rather than £7k+ p/w on a 3 year contract for someone with known fitness issues? We lack pace and and an option to stretch defences and run in behind. When you consider the Dutch top flight Eredivisie and French 2nd tier average weekly wage is £5.5k and £2.6k respectively, surely we are able to find a decent younger option with value somewhere across the globe? Is it not more a case that we identified and planned to sign JCH. Mystery dutch forwards are welcome too. As is Messi. I think the point 1981 is making that JCH appeared to be the plan amd were missing that rather important piece. |
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Post by pirate on Nov 29, 2023 8:33:25 GMT
Don't you think the money could be better spent on a younger option with a potential sell-on value, rather than £7k+ p/w on a 3 year contract for someone with known fitness issues? We lack pace and and an option to stretch defences and run in behind. When you consider the Dutch top flight Eredivisie and French 2nd tier average weekly wage is £5.5k and £2.6k respectively, surely we are able to find a decent younger option with value somewhere across the globe? Possibly, but that's also a gamble. I don't think JCH is a gamble, regardless of his age, JCH has scored 85 goals in his last 140 League 1 games if my maths is correct. If he scores the goals to get us promoted either this or next season, then it's money well spent. Has he got fitness issues? How many games has he missed over the last 4 years through injury? I'm not too bothered about sell on value, it's not my money. What I am bothered about is actually getting to a level we haven't been at for 30 whole years. We're lacking a proven goalscorer. JCH fits that bill perfectly. The previous manager stated on a number of occasion he thought JCH had fitness issues and a 30-year-old on 7k per week certainly seems a gamble to me. Its not my money either, but as a fan I'm of the opinion it could be better spent elsewhere with other areas in the team also lacking. I'd personally rather we acted smarter in the transfer market in future with more of a sustainable long term vision like a Brentford for example, who in the previous 5 years to their £70m stadium being built generated £150m in player sales. I'm not saying we can replicate that, but what we can do is be smarter and more efficient rather than the boom and bust approach. |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Nov 29, 2023 8:47:24 GMT
Don't you think the money could be better spent on a younger option with a potential sell-on value, rather than £7k+ p/w on a 3 year contract for someone with known fitness issues? We lack pace and and an option to stretch defences and run in behind. When you consider the Dutch top flight Eredivisie and French 2nd tier average weekly wage is £5.5k and £2.6k respectively, surely we are able to find a decent younger option with value somewhere across the globe? Possibly, but that's also a gamble. I don't think JCH is a gamble, regardless of his age, JCH has scored 85 goals in his last 140 League 1 games if my maths is correct. If he scores the goals to get us promoted either this or next season, then it's money well spent. Has he got fitness issues? How many games has he missed over the last 4 years through injury? I'm not too bothered about sell on value, it's not my money. What I am bothered about is actually getting to a level we haven't been at for 30 whole years. We're lacking a proven goalscorer. JCH fits that bill perfectly. Let's not get fitness and injury mixed up. Pretty sure JB was commenting on general fitness and that he'd make him a fitter player and therefore better all round |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 29, 2023 8:47:40 GMT
Possibly, but that's also a gamble. I don't think JCH is a gamble, regardless of his age, JCH has scored 85 goals in his last 140 League 1 games if my maths is correct. If he scores the goals to get us promoted either this or next season, then it's money well spent. Has he got fitness issues? How many games has he missed over the last 4 years through injury? I'm not too bothered about sell on value, it's not my money. What I am bothered about is actually getting to a level we haven't been at for 30 whole years. We're lacking a proven goalscorer. JCH fits that bill perfectly. The previous manager stated on a number of occasion he thought JCH had fitness issues and a 30-year-old on 7k per week certainly seems a gamble to me. Its not my money either, but as a fan I'm of the opinion it could be better spent elsewhere with other areas in the team also lacking. I'd personally rather we acted smarter in the transfer market in future with more of a sustainable long term vision like a Brentford for example, who in the previous 5 years to their £70m stadium being built generated £150m in player sales. I'm not saying we can replicate that, but what we can do is be smarter and more efficient rather than the boom and bust approach. The previous manager isn't hear anymore. JCH has played 165 games over the last 3 and half seasons, playing 49, 42, 54 and 20 this season. That's pretty good going for somebody with fitness issues. I just want to get out of this Division, it's been 30 long years, we need a proven goalscorer, JCH is the best there is at this level. He's guaranteed goals. I don't care how we do it, I just want us to do it and get back to the 2nd tier as quickly as possible. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 29, 2023 8:52:07 GMT
Possibly, but that's also a gamble. I don't think JCH is a gamble, regardless of his age, JCH has scored 85 goals in his last 140 League 1 games if my maths is correct. If he scores the goals to get us promoted either this or next season, then it's money well spent. Has he got fitness issues? How many games has he missed over the last 4 years through injury? I'm not too bothered about sell on value, it's not my money. What I am bothered about is actually getting to a level we haven't been at for 30 whole years. We're lacking a proven goalscorer. JCH fits that bill perfectly. Let's not get fitness and injury mixed up. Pretty sure JB was commenting on general fitness and that he'd make him a fitter player and therefore better all round As I replied to Pirate JCH played 165 games over the last 3.5 years and scored 81 goals. If he has fitness issues then that's bloody good going! |
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Post by Fetch on Nov 29, 2023 8:59:54 GMT
The previous manager stated on a number of occasion he thought JCH had fitness issues and a 30-year-old on 7k per week certainly seems a gamble to me. Its not my money either, but as a fan I'm of the opinion it could be better spent elsewhere with other areas in the team also lacking. I'd personally rather we acted smarter in the transfer market in future with more of a sustainable long term vision like a Brentford for example, who in the previous 5 years to their £70m stadium being built generated £150m in player sales. I'm not saying we can replicate that, but what we can do is be smarter and more efficient rather than the boom and bust approach. The previous manager isn't hear anymore. JCH has played 165 games over the last 3 and half seasons, playing 49, 42, 54 and 20 this season. That's pretty good going for somebody with fitness issues. I just want to get out of this Division, it's been 30 long years, we need a proven goalscorer, JCH is the best there is at this level. He's guaranteed goals. I don't care how we do it, I just want us to do it and get back to the 2nd tier as quickly as possible. If he's guaranteed goals why aren't Posh playing him? I don't buy into the notion that he makes us a Top 6 side as he currently can't get into a side that are Top 6. Agree with Pirate, it's a lot of money on one player who let's be honest didn't have a lot of interest considering he was the league's top scorer and available for a good price. That said I'm not convinced we even have a scouting network or targets lined up for January given the managerial situation and a lack of DoF/head scout. |
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Post by pirate on Nov 29, 2023 9:05:11 GMT
The previous manager stated on a number of occasion he thought JCH had fitness issues and a 30-year-old on 7k per week certainly seems a gamble to me. Its not my money either, but as a fan I'm of the opinion it could be better spent elsewhere with other areas in the team also lacking. I'd personally rather we acted smarter in the transfer market in future with more of a sustainable long term vision like a Brentford for example, who in the previous 5 years to their £70m stadium being built generated £150m in player sales. I'm not saying we can replicate that, but what we can do is be smarter and more efficient rather than the boom and bust approach. The previous manager isn't hear anymore. JCH has played 165 games over the last 3 and half seasons, playing 49, 42, 54 and 20 this season. That's pretty good going for somebody with fitness issues. I just want to get out of this Division, it's been 30 long years, we need a proven goalscorer, JCH is the best there is at this level. He's guaranteed goals. I don't care how we do it, I just want us to do it and get back to the 2nd tier as quickly as possible. The manager isn't hear anymore, but his point remains. The fitness issues also only likely to get worse with age. I want to get to the 2nd tier as quickly as possible too, but I also want to consolidate our position at that level longer term to become an established championship club and I just think there are better ways of going about it. We'll have to agree to disagree. 👍🏻 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 9:08:43 GMT
Reckon the jch boat has sailed. Barton was one of his main reason for coming here. More likely to end up on loan in January to a promotion chasing side in div 1 or 2. Our targets have now gone to the likes of deeney or piggott to keep us mid table this season
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Post by northridinggas on Nov 29, 2023 9:10:54 GMT
The previous manager isn't hear anymore. JCH has played 165 games over the last 3 and half seasons, playing 49, 42, 54 and 20 this season. That's pretty good going for somebody with fitness issues. I just want to get out of this Division, it's been 30 long years, we need a proven goalscorer, JCH is the best there is at this level. He's guaranteed goals. I don't care how we do it, I just want us to do it and get back to the 2nd tier as quickly as possible. If he's guaranteed goals why aren't Posh playing him? I don't buy into the notion that he makes us a Top 6 side as he currently can't get into a side that are Top 6. Agree with Pirate, it's a lot of money on one player who let's be honest didn't have a lot of interest considering he was the league's top scorer and available for a good price. That said I'm not convinced we even have a scouting network or targets lined up for January given the managerial situation and a lack of DoF/head scout. I presume they aren't playing him because they are planning for life without him and they have effective replacements. The ideal would of course be to find another Barry Hayles or similar that makes an immediate impact and we sell for a profit but what's the confidence we could repeat that with the current club set up? this is one of our best chances to get promoted for many years, we are a few better finishes off a play off place, go for the proven goalscorer. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 29, 2023 9:36:58 GMT
The previous manager isn't hear anymore. JCH has played 165 games over the last 3 and half seasons, playing 49, 42, 54 and 20 this season. That's pretty good going for somebody with fitness issues. I just want to get out of this Division, it's been 30 long years, we need a proven goalscorer, JCH is the best there is at this level. He's guaranteed goals. I don't care how we do it, I just want us to do it and get back to the 2nd tier as quickly as possible. If he's guaranteed goals why aren't Posh playing him? I don't buy into the notion that he makes us a Top 6 side as he currently can't get into a side that are Top 6. Agree with Pirate, it's a lot of money on one player who let's be honest didn't have a lot of interest considering he was the league's top scorer and available for a good price. That said I'm not convinced we even have a scouting network or targets lined up for January given the managerial situation and a lack of DoF/head scout. Posh aren't playing him because they want to sell, and he doesn't want to be there. Their policy is to try and sell all their players at JCHs age. They were playing him until the deal fell through. Him not getting into the team is nothing to do with his ability. |
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