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Post by singupgas on Mar 8, 2024 16:18:37 GMT
Didn't they suggest in the recent fans forum thing that the Blackthorn End would have an upper tier of seats and a lower tier "safe standing"? Yes, Abdulatiff did say that was a part of the plan. I've also heard that from two different sources. The same sources also told me the plan is to pull down the East Stand and rebuild an all seated stand the length of that side which will then 'fold in' to both the South and North Stands, although that bit wasn't confirmed by Abdulatiff! Absolutely needs to happen, the east terrace has to go.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Mar 8, 2024 16:22:02 GMT
Does anyone know if there are any facilities in the concourse yet? When I went in the South Stand for the Burton game it was empty and there were huge queues for the outlets in the south west corner. Trying to decide whether to go through the turnstiles early or stay in the fan zone/bar
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 8, 2024 18:03:27 GMT
Didn't they suggest in the recent fans forum thing that the Blackthorn End would have an upper tier of seats and a lower tier "safe standing"? Yes, Abdulatiff did say that was a part of the plan. I've also heard that from two different sources. The same sources also told me the plan is to pull down the East Stand and rebuild an all seated stand the length of that side which will then 'fold in' to both the South and North Stands, although that bit wasn't confirmed by Abdulatiff! We know that the end plan is for 16,000 after the East and North are completed. We have also been told c.£35m will be spent on both the Mem and the Quarters. So if the south and west stands hold about 6,000 between them, that implies 10,000 for the east and north. Even if the Quarters takes half that figure, it's about £15-£20m for the Mem. £20m for 10,000 seats suggests it should be pretty decent.
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Post by gasheadontour on Mar 8, 2024 22:20:55 GMT
I think 2 tiered stands are a terrible design spliiting fans so the atmosphere doesn't spread as well.
I hope there will be a very big new single tiered East stand. Invest as much as possible in a new East Stand and the rest can wait. A consideration is that the view is better from the side of the pitch and so the club can make more money per new seat.
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Post by bidefordgas on Mar 9, 2024 8:18:44 GMT
Only 13 seats left in south/southwest stands this morning, so apart from segregation it should be bouncing, hopefully only on the home side.
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Post by wertongas on Mar 9, 2024 8:28:25 GMT
Well if the club has between 30 - 35 million to spend which includes about 20 million of the owners own money. Then knocking down the east stand and doing a total rebuild would be far better than their original plan to extend the existing stand , by builing either side,lets face it the east stand is pretty crap . It isn't even central with the stadium, the terracing at the away end is smaller than terracing on the North side of the stand. It would mean reducing capacity back to 10,000 while the work is carried out , as there are 1,100 seats in the East stand and about 1,500 terrace spaces. But a tidy new all seater stand would be a great improvement.
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Post by badengas on Mar 9, 2024 9:00:37 GMT
Yes, Abdulatiff did say that was a part of the plan. I've also heard that from two different sources. The same sources also told me the plan is to pull down the East Stand and rebuild an all seated stand the length of that side which will then 'fold in' to both the South and North Stands, although that bit wasn't confirmed by Abdulatiff! Absolutely needs to happen, the east terrace has to go. Keep a bit of the East Terrace for old farts like me. Nothing like a winter Tuesday night in a hailstorm, with a nuclear hot pasty in your pocket.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 9, 2024 9:02:29 GMT
I don’t think £20mn gets us very far. I doubt we’ll get a rebuild at that amount of money - it’ll be extensions on the East Stand I expect.
Not to say it can’t make for a good stand though and I’m sure the North will be a proper stand
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Post by supergas on Mar 10, 2024 6:12:26 GMT
I don’t think £20mn gets us very far. I doubt we’ll get a rebuild at that amount of money - it’ll be extensions on the East Stand I expect. Not to say it can’t make for a good stand though and I’m sure the North will be a proper stand To be fair the entire New Plough Lane stadium cost £34m for a capacity of 9000+, and whilst the only fully 'modern' new stand is the West Stand (capacity 4267) you can see how we *could* build a decent East Stand for £20m, including all the matchday and non-matchday facilities required (Plough Lane has 750+ banqueting/conferencing spaces, club shop, plus all the required matchday facilities like lots of hospitality suites, changing rooms, inside warm-up areas and media facilities). £20m would almost certainly get us everything we need, and we could follow the AFC-model - build to accommodate everything we want and need, but no need to fit out everything from day one - complete everything you need to generate revenue and then use that revenue to finish off the other parts...
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 10, 2024 9:18:39 GMT
I don’t think £20mn gets us very far. I doubt we’ll get a rebuild at that amount of money - it’ll be extensions on the East Stand I expect. Not to say it can’t make for a good stand though and I’m sure the North will be a proper stand To be fair the entire New Plough Lane stadium cost £34m for a capacity of 9000+, and whilst the only fully 'modern' new stand is the West Stand (capacity 4267) you can see how we *could* build a decent East Stand for £20m, including all the matchday and non-matchday facilities required (Plough Lane has 750+ banqueting/conferencing spaces, club shop, plus all the required matchday facilities like lots of hospitality suites, changing rooms, inside warm-up areas and media facilities). £20m would almost certainly get us everything we need, and we could follow the AFC-model - build to accommodate everything we want and need, but no need to fit out everything from day one - complete everything you need to generate revenue and then use that revenue to finish off the other parts... You know more than me about New Plough Lane but I understand 3 sides are temporary stands? It was built 3-4 years ago? I’m lead to believe construction costs have largely doubled since covid. As a diyer who had extensive work built since then i understand timber is still twice the price it was and a lot of materials are more expensive as well. However someone in construction would know better than me! A quick google suggests it was a greyhound stadium (the irony!) so there’s probably a lot less destruction required. And of course they didn’t have to worry about still playing there and losing most of their existing facilities for however long it took to build the stand and all the faff and inconvenience that goes with it Our temporary stand cost £3mn alone, so if we say called it £2mn as it was before everything went mad then it would be about £28mn for their main stand. If you’re telling me the whole site was £34mn I feel that reinforces that it’ll be an extension rather than a full rebuild. If it’s £20mn or so for us and we still need to get a North Stand and something in the North West as well then that just reinforces it even more as the North will surely have to be complete rebuild.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 10, 2024 10:11:12 GMT
Well if the club has between 30 - 35 million to spend which includes about 20 million of the owners own money. Then knocking down the east stand and doing a total rebuild would be far better than their original plan to extend the existing stand , by builing either side,lets face it the east stand is pretty crap . It isn't even central with the stadium, the terracing at the away end is smaller than terracing on the North side of the stand. It would mean reducing capacity back to 10,000 while the work is carried out , as there are 1,100 seats in the East stand and about 1,500 terrace spaces. But a tidy new all seater stand would be a great improvement. Pretty certain that figure also included the spend at the Quarters which must be at least £5m, the North Stand will also take at least £10m+ so that leaves just £15m-£20m for the East Stand. That's assuming the figures quoted are genuine, as getting £8m for the land at Almondsbury seems a bit far fetched when it's not even included on S Glos Development plans, let alone be in a position to be developed/sold.
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Post by socrates on Mar 10, 2024 11:25:33 GMT
Only 13 seats left in south/southwest stands this morning, so apart from segregation it should be bouncing, hopefully only on the home side. I sat in the south stand yesterday for the first time only because I’ve done my Achilles and wasn’t sure about manoeuvring myself up and down the terraces of the thatchers. There’s still no stalls in the concourse yet , all they had was a mobile bar with two serving it took 15 minutes to get served and there were only 20 people in front of me when I joined the queue. The seating is very cramped , I’m only 5,9 and my knees were touching the seat in front of me which actually made my legs and achillies ache as well. Anyone taller than me would have found it even more cramped and if you’re over 6 ft then I’d forget it as there were blokes that tall sat on the diagonal luckily for them it wasn’t quite a sell out as if every seat had been full they literally wouldn’t have been able to sit down. The atmosphere was extremely quiet where I was sat , could only hear the derby fans who were loud. All in all not impressed with it at all , I suppose it’s increased the capacity which is good but I’ve got literally no other positives to say really.
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Post by yattongas on Mar 10, 2024 11:39:11 GMT
Only 13 seats left in south/southwest stands this morning, so apart from segregation it should be bouncing, hopefully only on the home side. I sat in the south stand yesterday for the first time only because I’ve done my Achilles and wasn’t sure about manoeuvring myself up and down the terraces of the thatchers. There’s still no stalls in the concourse yet , all they had was a mobile bar with two serving it took 15 minutes to get served and there were only 20 people in front of me when I joined the queue. The seating is very cramped , I’m only 5,9 and my knees were touching the seat in front of me which actually made my legs and achillies ache as well. Anyone taller than me would have found it even more cramped and if you’re over 6 ft then I’d forget it as there were blokes that tall sat on the diagonal luckily for them it wasn’t quite a sell out as if every seat had been full they literally wouldn’t have been able to sit down. The atmosphere was extremely quiet where I was sat , could only hear the derby fans who were loud. All in all not impressed with it at all , I suppose it’s increased the capacity which is good but I’ve got literally no other positives to say really. Leg room in there is better than the east stand. And I’m 6’1”.
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Post by singupgas on Mar 10, 2024 11:46:26 GMT
The way I see it..
If the North stand is rumoured already to be a 2 tier stand then for me the East surely needs to be the same.. both being built from pitch level upwards.
Surely we don't want to tart the Mem up and still have 4 sides that dont look alike at all.
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Post by simmo147 on Mar 10, 2024 11:54:45 GMT
I'm 6"2 and leg room is absolutely fine for me in the South Stand. Is it the Etihad? No. Is it million times bettervthan what we had before? Yes. Atmosphere was decent in previous games, yesterday we had almost zero to get excited about. The East Stand needs to be a showcase for us but the Soutb Stand is more tha. Sufficient for that end and a huge improvement. With bars and tvs to come in the concourse and hopefully better toilet facilities plus a bit of a tidy up it will be decent.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 10, 2024 12:00:53 GMT
Only 13 seats left in south/southwest stands this morning, so apart from segregation it should be bouncing, hopefully only on the home side. I sat in the south stand yesterday for the first time only because I’ve done my Achilles and wasn’t sure about manoeuvring myself up and down the terraces of the thatchers. There’s still no stalls in the concourse yet , all they had was a mobile bar with two serving it took 15 minutes to get served and there were only 20 people in front of me when I joined the queue. The seating is very cramped , I’m only 5,9 and my knees were touching the seat in front of me which actually made my legs and achillies ache as well. Anyone taller than me would have found it even more cramped and if you’re over 6 ft then I’d forget it as there were blokes that tall sat on the diagonal luckily for them it wasn’t quite a sell out as if every seat had been full they literally wouldn’t have been able to sit down. The atmosphere was extremely quiet where I was sat , could only hear the derby fans who were loud. All in all not impressed with it at all , I suppose it’s increased the capacity which is good but I’ve got literally no other positives to say really. It's a football stand what were you expecting? As far as leg room given the average UK males is 5'10" so it seems pointless designing a stand for 6'+ fans.
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Post by gas2 on Mar 10, 2024 12:05:38 GMT
What was the attendance yesterday ?
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Post by bidefordgas on Mar 10, 2024 12:59:54 GMT
I sat in the south stand yesterday for the first time only because I’ve done my Achilles and wasn’t sure about manoeuvring myself up and down the terraces of the thatchers. There’s still no stalls in the concourse yet , all they had was a mobile bar with two serving it took 15 minutes to get served and there were only 20 people in front of me when I joined the queue. The seating is very cramped , I’m only 5,9 and my knees were touching the seat in front of me which actually made my legs and achillies ache as well. Anyone taller than me would have found it even more cramped and if you’re over 6 ft then I’d forget it as there were blokes that tall sat on the diagonal luckily for them it wasn’t quite a sell out as if every seat had been full they literally wouldn’t have been able to sit down. The atmosphere was extremely quiet where I was sat , could only hear the derby fans who were loud. All in all not impressed with it at all , I suppose it’s increased the capacity which is good but I’ve got literally no other positives to say really. Leg room in there is better than the east stand. And I’m 6’1”. Spot on, as much legroom as I have had in any football stand I have sat in. Not surprised about atmosphere, it was the same all around the ground and not surprised the team hardly did anything to excite anybody. It was totally full in the block we sit in and did not have anybody sat on the diagonal around us. As regards the concourse we have been promised bars and tvs etc, it would appear that the promised next few weeks is going into the start of next season.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 10, 2024 13:02:05 GMT
I sat in the south stand yesterday for the first time only because I’ve done my Achilles and wasn’t sure about manoeuvring myself up and down the terraces of the thatchers. There’s still no stalls in the concourse yet , all they had was a mobile bar with two serving it took 15 minutes to get served and there were only 20 people in front of me when I joined the queue. The seating is very cramped , I’m only 5,9 and my knees were touching the seat in front of me which actually made my legs and achillies ache as well. Anyone taller than me would have found it even more cramped and if you’re over 6 ft then I’d forget it as there were blokes that tall sat on the diagonal luckily for them it wasn’t quite a sell out as if every seat had been full they literally wouldn’t have been able to sit down. The atmosphere was extremely quiet where I was sat , could only hear the derby fans who were loud. All in all not impressed with it at all , I suppose it’s increased the capacity which is good but I’ve got literally no other positives to say really. It's a football stand what were you expecting? As far as leg room given the average UK males is 5'10" so it seems pointless designing a stand for 6'+ fans. Speak for yourself, shorty. 😃 It's the wheelchair access I'd require, has anything been done to address that?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 10, 2024 13:12:14 GMT
It's a football stand what were you expecting? As far as leg room given the average UK males is 5'10" so it seems pointless designing a stand for 6'+ fans. Speak for yourself, shorty. 😃 It's the wheelchair access I'd require, has anything been done to address that? Was it ever planned as it looks impossible to me from the stands design?
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