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Post by The Equaliser on Sept 19, 2023 20:09:50 GMT
Julian Alvarez - wow what a finish!
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Post by socrates on Sept 19, 2023 22:09:16 GMT
I’m going against the grain here. I think Harry Maguire is an excellent player for England, composed, great passer, reads the game well, organises those around him, and I can’t think of many better at heading the ball. All about opinions I suppose 👍🏾 I agree, Only John stones is better over the last few years and Maguire hasn’t really let England down he’s been solid . Although dunk the Brighton player was very good v Scotland and he’s playing every week so hopefully he’ll continue to do well for them and England. It would be risky to play Maguire in the euros if he’s either not playing or not playing well at club level. For two tricky ties away to ukraine and Scotland I’m not surprised Southgate went for experience in Maguire and Henderson. People think pick this player or that but we’ve had managers do that before and we’ve got knocked out in quarter finals. I remember watching England with a midfield four of scholes , beckham , Gerrard and Lampard and we were sh** and people couldn’t understand it but there’s no balance there in that four at all and we had the clueless capello , erikson and Mc Claren scratching their heads wondering why. I think Southgate’s been brilliant not only in how far we’ve got in tournaments but how he’s built his side over time , through the -21s , involved in the evolution of St George’s park , people say he’s failing with these players but he’s been a massive part of creating the chances that we’ve had. If it wasn’t for the msssive leadership void that our squad have ( Harry Kane as captain ??) we probably would of won a tournament by now. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 20, 2023 9:58:53 GMT
I’m going against the grain here. I think Harry Maguire is an excellent player for England, composed, great passer, reads the game well, organises those around him, and I can’t think of many better at heading the ball. All about opinions I suppose 👍🏾 I agree, Only John stones is better over the last few years and Maguire hasn’t really let England down he’s been solid . Although dunk the Brighton player was very good v Scotland and he’s playing every week so hopefully he’ll continue to do well for them and England. It would be risky to play Maguire in the euros if he’s either not playing or not playing well at club level. For two tricky ties away to ukraine and Scotland I’m not surprised Southgate went for experience in Maguire and Henderson. People think pick this player or that but we’ve had managers do that before and we’ve got knocked out in quarter finals. I remember watching England with a midfield four of scholes , beckham , Gerrard and Lampard and we were sh** and people couldn’t understand it but there’s no balance there in that four at all and we had the clueless capello , erikson and Mc Claren scratching their heads wondering why. I think Southgate’s been brilliant not only in how far we’ve got in tournaments but how he’s built his side over time , through the -21s , involved in the evolution of St George’s park , people say he’s failing with these players but he’s been a massive part of creating the chances that we’ve had. If it wasn’t for the msssive leadership void that our squad have ( Harry Kane as captain ??) we probably would of won a tournament by now. International players should all be leaders of sorts imo. If Southgate fails to win yet another tourney with the embarrassment of riches at his disposal he needs to go. Henderson and Maguire may be ok now at the beginning of the season but what will they be like after Maguire's prolonged time on the bench and Henderson a season playing in a poor standard league in front of 1000 fans |
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Post by aghast on Sept 20, 2023 16:11:25 GMT
I agree, Only John stones is better over the last few years and Maguire hasn’t really let England down he’s been solid . Although dunk the Brighton player was very good v Scotland and he’s playing every week so hopefully he’ll continue to do well for them and England. It would be risky to play Maguire in the euros if he’s either not playing or not playing well at club level. For two tricky ties away to ukraine and Scotland I’m not surprised Southgate went for experience in Maguire and Henderson. People think pick this player or that but we’ve had managers do that before and we’ve got knocked out in quarter finals. I remember watching England with a midfield four of scholes , beckham , Gerrard and Lampard and we were sh** and people couldn’t understand it but there’s no balance there in that four at all and we had the clueless capello , erikson and Mc Claren scratching their heads wondering why. I think Southgate’s been brilliant not only in how far we’ve got in tournaments but how he’s built his side over time , through the -21s , involved in the evolution of St George’s park , people say he’s failing with these players but he’s been a massive part of creating the chances that we’ve had. If it wasn’t for the msssive leadership void that our squad have ( Harry Kane as captain ??) we probably would of won a tournament by now. International players should all be leaders of sorts imo. If Southgate fails to win yet another tourney with the embarrassment of riches at his disposal he needs to go. Henderson and Maguire may be ok now at the beginning of the season but what will they be like after Maguire's prolonged time on the bench and Henderson a season playing in a poor standard league in front of 1000 fans It's been said before, but it needs saying again. No other manager in the last 57 years has done better than Southgate. Nobody else has done better than a World Cup quarter final or Euros semi final. Southgate has improved on both of those. We've tried old managers, young managers and foreign managers and we've now got one who has taken us closer to success than ever before. Plenty of other managers have had their embarrassments of riches, eg the Golden Generation, Rooney, and Lineker. They all flopped. Southgate has done better than the lot of them. And you want to sack him? |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 20, 2023 16:22:06 GMT
International players should all be leaders of sorts imo. If Southgate fails to win yet another tourney with the embarrassment of riches at his disposal he needs to go. Henderson and Maguire may be ok now at the beginning of the season but what will they be like after Maguire's prolonged time on the bench and Henderson a season playing in a poor standard league in front of 1000 fans It's been said before, but it needs saying again. No other manager in the last 57 years has done better than Southgate. Nobody else has done better than a World Cup quarter final or Euros semi final. Southgate has improved on both of those. We've tried old managers, young managers and foreign managers and we've now got one who has taken us closer to success than ever before. Plenty of other managers have had their embarrassments of riches, eg the Golden Generation, Rooney, and Lineker. They all flopped. Southgate has done better than the lot of them. And you want to sack him? No England manager imo has had anywhere near the pool of quality players to pick from than Southgate has. They could field 2 different teams that should do well in any competition. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 20, 2023 16:42:02 GMT
By the next World Cup it’ll be 60 years of hurt, yet somehow the remit of the current manager is ‘win a trophy or else’, complete madness.
Just hope by the time he’s stepped down after next summer we won’t be looking back in 2/4/6 years time longing for the days of regular latter stages and competing in finals.
4 years after having ‘one of the best XI’s on the planet’ in 2004, we didn’t even qualify for Austria/Switzerland 2008. Careful what you wish for & all that.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 20, 2023 17:16:11 GMT
By the next World Cup it’ll be 60 years of hurt, yet somehow the remit of the current manager is ‘win a trophy or else’, complete madness. Just hope by the time he’s stepped down after next summer we won’t be looking back in 2/4/6 years time longing for the days of regular latter stages and competing in finals.4 years after having ‘one of the best XI’s on the planet’ in 2004, we didn’t even qualify for Austria/Switzerland 2008. Careful what you wish for & all that. ...latter stages maybe, but ultimately still losing. Sick of losing all the time |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 20, 2023 17:37:44 GMT
By the next World Cup it’ll be 60 years of hurt, yet somehow the remit of the current manager is ‘win a trophy or else’, complete madness. Just hope by the time he’s stepped down after next summer we won’t be looking back in 2/4/6 years time longing for the days of regular latter stages and competing in finals.4 years after having ‘one of the best XI’s on the planet’ in 2004, we didn’t even qualify for Austria/Switzerland 2008. Careful what you wish for & all that. ...latter stages maybe, but ultimately still losing. Sick of losing all the time All the time? Steady on there😄 |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 20, 2023 17:45:53 GMT
...latter stages maybe, but ultimately still losing. Sick of losing all the time All the time? Steady on there😄 So they dont lose in all the tournaments? Southgate is fortunate for the stream of quality youngsters already there and coming through along with other countries getting weaker, yet he still cant get that trophy. Not saying he is a bad manager, but the football is pretty boring and he has had the tools and plenty of time and still we are waiting. He's holding us back. All about opinions though! |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 20, 2023 17:59:54 GMT
All the time? Steady on there😄 So they dont lose in all the tournaments? Southgate is fortunate for the stream of quality youngsters already there and coming through along with other countries getting weaker, yet he still cant get that trophy. Not saying he is a bad manager, but the football is pretty boring and he has had the tools and plenty of time and still we are waiting. He's holding us back. All about opinions though! The comment was all the time, as in regularly? Couldn’t disagree more on the football being boring, I’ve missed 2 matches under his watch (where supporters were allowed) and the majority of those games have been thoroughly enjoyable/comfortable qualifying victories with plenty of goals or some of the very best times of my football life. Many of those in tournaments. If Southgate is failing, no pressure on the next gaffer then👀🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by eric on Sept 20, 2023 18:08:06 GMT
International players should all be leaders of sorts imo. If Southgate fails to win yet another tourney with the embarrassment of riches at his disposal he needs to go. Henderson and Maguire may be ok now at the beginning of the season but what will they be like after Maguire's prolonged time on the bench and Henderson a season playing in a poor standard league in front of 1000 fans It's been said before, but it needs saying again. No other manager in the last 57 years has done better than Southgate. Nobody else has done better than a World Cup quarter final or Euros semi final. Southgate has improved on both of those. We've tried old managers, young managers and foreign managers and we've now got one who has taken us closer to success than ever before. Plenty of other managers have had their embarrassments of riches, eg the Golden Generation, Rooney, and Lineker. They all flopped. Southgate has done better than the lot of them. And you want to sack him? What would Southgate’s record look like if he had the squad that Graham Taylor had? Apart from the Golden Generation which Sven wasted nobody has had better strength in depth than Southgate has with the current squad. Of course there have been good players along the way but not a whole squad full. At least in Sven’s time there was decent competition from other teams - other than France the current batch of international teams might never have been weaker. |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 20, 2023 18:28:54 GMT
It's been said before, but it needs saying again. No other manager in the last 57 years has done better than Southgate. Nobody else has done better than a World Cup quarter final or Euros semi final. Southgate has improved on both of those. We've tried old managers, young managers and foreign managers and we've now got one who has taken us closer to success than ever before. Plenty of other managers have had their embarrassments of riches, eg the Golden Generation, Rooney, and Lineker. They all flopped. Southgate has done better than the lot of them. And you want to sack him? Apart from the Golden Generation which Sven wasted nobody has had better strength in depth than Southgate has with the current squad. Of course there have been good players along the way but not a whole squad full. At least in Sven’s time there was decent competition from other teams - other the France the current batch of international teams might never have been weaker. Do I not like that! |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 20, 2023 18:48:00 GMT
Bellingham 90+5 yet again to win it
6 in 6 for Madrid
Try and stop the lad!
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Post by socrates on Sept 20, 2023 19:06:39 GMT
It's been said before, but it needs saying again. No other manager in the last 57 years has done better than Southgate. Nobody else has done better than a World Cup quarter final or Euros semi final. Southgate has improved on both of those. We've tried old managers, young managers and foreign managers and we've now got one who has taken us closer to success than ever before. Plenty of other managers have had their embarrassments of riches, eg the Golden Generation, Rooney, and Lineker. They all flopped. Southgate has done better than the lot of them. And you want to sack him? No England manager imo has had anywhere near the pool of quality players to pick from than Southgate has. They could field 2 different teams that should do well in any competition. Not true. Other than Kane who are the world class strikers ? Other than Stones who are the world class central defenders ? Other than Rice who are the world class defensive midfielders ? We’ve got enough attacking midfielders to field two sides but our squad is massively unbalanced in my opinion. |
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Post by eric on Sept 20, 2023 19:33:48 GMT
What would Southgate’s record look like if he had the squad that Graham Taylor had? Apart from the Golden Generation which Sven wasted nobody has had better strength in depth than Southgate has with the current squad. Of course there have been good players along the way but not a whole squad full. At least in Sven’s time there was decent competition from other teams - other the France the current batch of international teams might never have been weaker. Do I not like that! Hit Les. Hit Les. Fooking hell !!! |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 20, 2023 20:36:22 GMT
That pen award for Munich….
& I thought VAR couldn’t get any worse.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 21, 2023 8:58:15 GMT
No England manager imo has had anywhere near the pool of quality players to pick from than Southgate has. They could field 2 different teams that should do well in any competition. Not true. Other than Kane who are the world class strikers ? Other than Stones who are the world class central defenders ? Other than Rice who are the world class defensive midfielders ? We’ve got enough attacking midfielders to field two sides but our squad is massively unbalanced in my opinion. You dont have to have world class players all over the pitch, most other countries dont and we only have to be better than them. Southgate has a bigger number of quality players available than any previous manager I can remember |
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Post by Quarters on Sept 21, 2023 9:26:28 GMT
Not true. Other than Kane who are the world class strikers ? Other than Stones who are the world class central defenders ? Other than Rice who are the world class defensive midfielders ? We’ve got enough attacking midfielders to field two sides but our squad is massively unbalanced in my opinion. You dont have to have world class players all over the pitch, most other countries dont and we only have to be better than them. Southgate has a bigger number of quality players available than any previous manager I can remember But the quality players all play in similar positions, can’t play them all. And you can't play them in defence. Most will query the quality or depth of quality in a lot of positions. Keepers? Back 4? Striker? Who are these players of quality you speak of? |
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Post by socrates on Sept 21, 2023 9:27:08 GMT
Not true. Other than Kane who are the world class strikers ? Other than Stones who are the world class central defenders ? Other than Rice who are the world class defensive midfielders ? We’ve got enough attacking midfielders to field two sides but our squad is massively unbalanced in my opinion. You dont have to have world class players all over the pitch, most other countries dont and we only have to be better than them. Southgate has a bigger number of quality players available than any previous manager I can remember In attacking midfield I agree , defensively though not as strong as 90 , 96 , 98 most of the 2000 etc Also we’ve generally always had a wealth of top strikers but Kane aside I’m struggling to think of one who look’s international class , possibly Wilson. We do have a good squad and we should definitely be getting to the last four of major tournaments don’t get me wrong but I’m not convinced we had a better squad than France in the World Cup , better than Italy in the euros before that or better than Croatia in the World Cup before that. And by better I mean balanced , experienced and leadership qualities as much as I mean technical ability. I think people look at the wealth of attacking midfielders we have and say “England are the best we have to win this tournament” and don’t open their eyes to the bigger picture. |
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Post by eric on Sept 21, 2023 13:12:14 GMT
You dont have to have world class players all over the pitch, most other countries dont and we only have to be better than them. Southgate has a bigger number of quality players available than any previous manager I can remember In attacking midfield I agree , defensively though not as strong as 90 , 96 , 98 most of the 2000 etc Also we’ve generally always had a wealth of top strikers but Kane aside I’m struggling to think of one who look’s international class , possibly Wilson. We do have a good squad and we should definitely be getting to the last four of major tournaments don’t get me wrong but I’m not convinced we had a better squad than France in the World Cup , better than Italy in the euros before that or better than Croatia in the World Cup before that. And by better I mean balanced , experienced and leadership qualities as much as I mean technical ability. I think people look at the wealth of attacking midfielders we have and say “England are the best we have to win this tournament” and don’t open their eyes to the bigger picture. We can have arguments about the relative squad strengths and which areas may have been lighter than other eras squads etc but under Southgate we’ve been quite fortunate to have mostly been able to pick the first choice XI which is very strong - and failed to win the big knockout games when it really matters. Something he has in common with Sven who also wasted a very talented group. I just can’t see Southgate having the tactical know how or bravery to take us where we have t been since 1966 - Champions! |
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