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Post by gulfofaden on Sept 22, 2023 7:19:00 GMT
I’m going against the grain here. I think Harry Maguire is an excellent player for England, composed, great passer, reads the game well, organises those around him, and I can’t think of many better at heading the ball. All about opinions I suppose 👍🏾 I agree, Only John stones is better over the last few years and Maguire hasn’t really let England down he’s been solid . Although dunk the Brighton player was very good v Scotland and he’s playing every week so hopefully he’ll continue to do well for them and England. It would be risky to play Maguire in the euros if he’s either not playing or not playing well at club level. For two tricky ties away to ukraine and Scotland I’m not surprised Southgate went for experience in Maguire and Henderson. People think pick this player or that but we’ve had managers do that before and we’ve got knocked out in quarter finals. I remember watching England with a midfield four of scholes , beckham , Gerrard and Lampard and we were sh** and people couldn’t understand it but there’s no balance there in that four at all and we had the clueless capello , erikson and Mc Claren scratching their heads wondering why. I think Southgate’s been brilliant not only in how far we’ve got in tournaments but how he’s built his side over time , through the -21s , involved in the evolution of St George’s park , people say he’s failing with these players but he’s been a massive part of creating the chances that we’ve had. If it wasn’t for the msssive leadership void that our squad have ( Harry Kane as captain ??) we probably would of won a tournament by now. I remember when I think Sven worked it out and played Owen Hargreaves and got slated and he was outstanding and exactly what we needed. Remember I think it was in extra time everyone was knackered and Hargreaves was playing like it was the first 10 mins, hell of an engine. So many football fans don’t understand balance and think all out attack means victory. You have to be cognisant of the other sides abilities. Naturally this can be taken too far, ala Southgate who has among the best attacking players in the world yet plays every game as if we are a league 2 side playing premiership opposition. Scholes, beckham lampard and Gerrard. Only space for 2 of those. Limited width. Id have said scholes and beckham, or lampard and beckham. I always thought Gerard was overrated and only got the kudos as he scored some long shots. Frank L and Scholes were the kind of intelligent, technical players you need at international level and Beckham was a class act in every way and he’s the first of all of those in the team. Gerard coming on to win games when you need a goal. Thing is if you don’t play all of them the press slate you so managers were forced somewhat. On another note, I never forgave glen Hoddle for leaving out gazza in 98. Still world class at that point |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 22, 2023 15:33:23 GMT
Agree about Harry, solid player and gets all the stick from the anti Man utd factions, Southgate has rid England of the 'club' clique mentality that used to exist, players used to be frightened to be seen bonding with players from their clubs rivals for fear of upsetting their fans, much more unity in the England set up now though many fans still carry their club loyalties into the England set up and selections. Agree with Gulf re Beckham and co, Gerrard good club player but not for England.
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 22, 2023 17:16:16 GMT
I agree, Only John stones is better over the last few years and Maguire hasn’t really let England down he’s been solid . Although dunk the Brighton player was very good v Scotland and he’s playing every week so hopefully he’ll continue to do well for them and England. It would be risky to play Maguire in the euros if he’s either not playing or not playing well at club level. For two tricky ties away to ukraine and Scotland I’m not surprised Southgate went for experience in Maguire and Henderson. People think pick this player or that but we’ve had managers do that before and we’ve got knocked out in quarter finals. I remember watching England with a midfield four of scholes , beckham , Gerrard and Lampard and we were sh** and people couldn’t understand it but there’s no balance there in that four at all and we had the clueless capello , erikson and Mc Claren scratching their heads wondering why. I think Southgate’s been brilliant not only in how far we’ve got in tournaments but how he’s built his side over time , through the -21s , involved in the evolution of St George’s park , people say he’s failing with these players but he’s been a massive part of creating the chances that we’ve had. If it wasn’t for the msssive leadership void that our squad have ( Harry Kane as captain ??) we probably would of won a tournament by now. I remember when I think Sven worked it out and played Owen Hargreaves and got slated and he was outstanding and exactly what we needed. Remember I think it was in extra time everyone was knackered and Hargreaves was playing like it was the first 10 mins, hell of an engine. So many football fans don’t understand balance and think all out attack means victory. You have to be cognisant of the other sides abilities. Naturally this can be taken too far, ala Southgate who has among the best attacking players in the world yet plays every game as if we are a league 2 side playing premiership opposition. Scholes, beckham lampard and Gerrard. Only space for 2 of those. Limited width. Id have said scholes and beckham, or lampard and beckham. I always thought Gerard was overrated and only got the kudos as he scored some long shots. Frank L and Scholes were the kind of intelligent, technical players you need at international level and Beckham was a class act in every way and he’s the first of all of those in the team. Gerard coming on to win games when you need a goal. Thing is if you don’t play all of them the press slate you so managers were forced somewhat. On another note, I never forgave glen Hoddle for leaving out gazza in 98. Still world class at that point That Gazza performance in Rome to get us over the line and Hoddle left him out for Rob Lee & Merse. Madness decision. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 22, 2023 20:54:13 GMT
I agree, Only John stones is better over the last few years and Maguire hasn’t really let England down he’s been solid . Although dunk the Brighton player was very good v Scotland and he’s playing every week so hopefully he’ll continue to do well for them and England. It would be risky to play Maguire in the euros if he’s either not playing or not playing well at club level. For two tricky ties away to ukraine and Scotland I’m not surprised Southgate went for experience in Maguire and Henderson. People think pick this player or that but we’ve had managers do that before and we’ve got knocked out in quarter finals. I remember watching England with a midfield four of scholes , beckham , Gerrard and Lampard and we were sh** and people couldn’t understand it but there’s no balance there in that four at all and we had the clueless capello , erikson and Mc Claren scratching their heads wondering why. I think Southgate’s been brilliant not only in how far we’ve got in tournaments but how he’s built his side over time , through the -21s , involved in the evolution of St George’s park , people say he’s failing with these players but he’s been a massive part of creating the chances that we’ve had. If it wasn’t for the msssive leadership void that our squad have ( Harry Kane as captain ??) we probably would of won a tournament by now. I remember when I think Sven worked it out and played Owen Hargreaves and got slated and he was outstanding and exactly what we needed. Remember I think it was in extra time everyone was knackered and Hargreaves was playing like it was the first 10 mins, hell of an engine. So many football fans don’t understand balance and think all out attack means victory. You have to be cognisant of the other sides abilities. Naturally this can be taken too far, ala Southgate who has among the best attacking players in the world yet plays every game as if we are a league 2 side playing premiership opposition. Scholes, beckham lampard and Gerrard. Only space for 2 of those. Limited width. Id have said scholes and beckham, or lampard and beckham. I always thought Gerard was overrated and only got the kudos as he scored some long shots. Frank L and Scholes were the kind of intelligent, technical players you need at international level and Beckham was a class act in every way and he’s the first of all of those in the team. Gerard coming on to win games when you need a goal. Thing is if you don’t play all of them the press slate you so managers were forced somewhat. On another note, I never forgave glen Hoddle for leaving out gazza in 98. Still world class at that point I agree with all of that except the league 2 side taking on a stronger side. V France we were the better side until he went even more attacking brought on mount who played well - won a penalty which we missed then they hit us on the counter. V Croatia a young side without leaders on the pitch bottled it against seasoned pros modric had more champions league medals than the rest of our squad out together and v Italy I think Southgate shouldn’t have made those subs right before the penalty shoot out but again in normal time you have the experienced Italian players with all their shithousery verses a young side massively lacking in leaders/ captains. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 23, 2023 0:56:05 GMT
I remember when I think Sven worked it out and played Owen Hargreaves and got slated and he was outstanding and exactly what we needed. Remember I think it was in extra time everyone was knackered and Hargreaves was playing like it was the first 10 mins, hell of an engine. So many football fans don’t understand balance and think all out attack means victory. You have to be cognisant of the other sides abilities. Naturally this can be taken too far, ala Southgate who has among the best attacking players in the world yet plays every game as if we are a league 2 side playing premiership opposition. Scholes, beckham lampard and Gerrard. Only space for 2 of those. Limited width. Id have said scholes and beckham, or lampard and beckham. I always thought Gerard was overrated and only got the kudos as he scored some long shots. Frank L and Scholes were the kind of intelligent, technical players you need at international level and Beckham was a class act in every way and he’s the first of all of those in the team. Gerard coming on to win games when you need a goal. Thing is if you don’t play all of them the press slate you so managers were forced somewhat. On another note, I never forgave glen Hoddle for leaving out gazza in 98. Still world class at that point I agree with all of that except the league 2 side taking on a stronger side. V France we were the better side until he went even more attacking brought on mount who played well - won a penalty which we missed then they hit us on the counter. V Croatia a young side without leaders on the pitch bottled it against seasoned pros modric had more champions league medals than the rest of our squad out together and v Italy I think Southgate shouldn’t have made those subs right before the penalty shoot out but again in normal time you have the experienced Italian players with all their shithousery verses a young side massively lacking in leaders/ captains. Ah the Italy final, was right behind the goal where the pens were taken, back row of the lower tier just to the left of the goal. How Chiellini wasn’t shown a straight red for dragging Saka to the floor by the collar, only the football gods know. The very last attack of the game down the touchline, inside the Italian half & we were fully in on goal. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Sept 23, 2023 5:24:35 GMT
I remember when I think Sven worked it out and played Owen Hargreaves and got slated and he was outstanding and exactly what we needed. Remember I think it was in extra time everyone was knackered and Hargreaves was playing like it was the first 10 mins, hell of an engine. So many football fans don’t understand balance and think all out attack means victory. You have to be cognisant of the other sides abilities. Naturally this can be taken too far, ala Southgate who has among the best attacking players in the world yet plays every game as if we are a league 2 side playing premiership opposition. Scholes, beckham lampard and Gerrard. Only space for 2 of those. Limited width. Id have said scholes and beckham, or lampard and beckham. I always thought Gerard was overrated and only got the kudos as he scored some long shots. Frank L and Scholes were the kind of intelligent, technical players you need at international level and Beckham was a class act in every way and he’s the first of all of those in the team. Gerard coming on to win games when you need a goal. Thing is if you don’t play all of them the press slate you so managers were forced somewhat. On another note, I never forgave glen Hoddle for leaving out gazza in 98. Still world class at that point I agree with all of that except the league 2 side taking on a stronger side. V France we were the better side until he went even more attacking brought on mount who played well - won a penalty which we missed then they hit us on the counter. V Croatia a young side without leaders on the pitch bottled it against seasoned pros modric had more champions league medals than the rest of our squad out together and v Italy I think Southgate shouldn’t have made those subs right before the penalty shoot out but again in normal time you have the experienced Italian players with all their shithousery verses a young side massively lacking in leaders/ captains. Still, probably the best squad in Europe and his only achievement are runners up medals. I think he will continue to be a runner up. He comes off like a PE teacher, and a pretty weak kind of guy. The current players while technically gifted seem bereft of any personality. I can’t think of any England team I feel less passionately about. Where are the Stuart Pearce’s? The Paul Inces? Even our star man Harry has as much personality of a wet wipe. Perhaps the modern game has done so much press training we don’t see the real person, but remembering Ince with his bandaged head in Italy, Beckham taking on Greece solo….even John Terry throwing his head at opponents boots…this current lot seem like they’re there for the sponsorship deals and I would put money on now they will win absolutely nothing over the next 5-10 years especially while Southgate is there. And we will be saying “another quarter or semi final. It’s progress!” Yet again. If this team don’t win anything then I am basically giving up on England because of these guys can’t win trophies then literally nobody ever will. Just got to accept whatever ability we ever had to win one just isn’t part of our national DNA anymore. To be fair even our new world talent starts shouting “Vamos” in an England shirt. While that’s a silly detail it shows how the international nature of club football really has decayed any real connection to the national team. It’s not a serious statement BTW o just think it’s emblematic how most these players now are club first and international football is a little sideshow. These players used to play in teams with generally other players who would play for England. Now they are playing in international conglomerates, teams full of journeymen and I think they view football as a personal affair, a technical game like tennis where it’s about their own performance given they have zero ties to the clubs they play for and their team mates. This technicians attitude is now in international football, as the idea of actually emotionally caring about results other than how much of a deal it gets you for your next move is gone. Gazza cried because he couldn’t represent England in a final. He would have played for free. I get the feeling half of these players would prefer to get back to club football if they could. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Sept 23, 2023 5:25:26 GMT
I agree with all of that except the league 2 side taking on a stronger side. V France we were the better side until he went even more attacking brought on mount who played well - won a penalty which we missed then they hit us on the counter. V Croatia a young side without leaders on the pitch bottled it against seasoned pros modric had more champions league medals than the rest of our squad out together and v Italy I think Southgate shouldn’t have made those subs right before the penalty shoot out but again in normal time you have the experienced Italian players with all their shithousery verses a young side massively lacking in leaders/ captains. Ah the Italy final, was right behind the goal where the pens were taken, back row of the lower tier just to the left of the goal. How Chiellini wasn’t shown a straight red for dragging Saka to the floor by the collar, only the football gods know. The very last attack of the game down the touchline, inside the Italian half & we were fully in on goal. Refs have never liked England |
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Post by wider on Sept 23, 2023 21:10:40 GMT
Refs don’t like JB either, or his teams. Showed again today imo. We played so well it didn’t matter at the end but there were some odd inconsistencies again today.
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 24, 2023 8:54:37 GMT
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Post by lympstonegas on Sept 24, 2023 12:33:35 GMT
Great response to their continued chants of Jamie Vardy your wife is a grass.
Interesting they say in some of the comments how poor their support was on their big day out
Reckon you have to take around 4K to be recognised by their fans
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 24, 2023 17:11:52 GMT
That’s what an excellent championship team looks like against a decent top end premier league outfit
Blades 0 - 7 Geordies
That gulf eh
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 24, 2023 17:37:43 GMT
Can anybody explain the present hand ball rules, in the Arsenal game a completely innocent looking hand ball was given as a pen but in the Newcastle game a similar hand ball wasn't given as a foul, even though the player got a clear advantage from the ball hitting his hand.
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 24, 2023 18:44:23 GMT
Can anybody explain the present hand ball rules, in the Arsenal game a completely innocent looking hand ball was given as a pen but in the Newcastle game a similar hand ball wasn't given as a foul, even though the player got a clear advantage from the ball hitting his hand. 30 looks at the Arsenal one & they decide to give it based on opinion. I thought VAR was matter of fact? We’re now in the realm where a player should just get in the box, scoop the ball up against someone’s hand & win a penalty with relative ease. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 29, 2023 19:15:19 GMT
Rock bottom wednesday 2-0 down in 7mins at home to Sunderland.
Plenty of seats in Hillsborough available as it is, a few walked out soon as the second went in 😂😂
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