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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 8, 2023 8:34:46 GMT
City's pitch is a desso hybrid (I believe some real grass, some artificial). Whereas we spend a few hundred grand digging the Mem pitch up every year and not let it settle, they paid big bucks to get it laid and then only have moderate costs each year to keep it in good condition. Obviously if we are moving in 5 years, unless we can relay a Mem pitch at the Fruit Market, it would be a false economy to get a desso one now. The Mems pitch is a hybrid…. The issue we’ve had is drainage and blocked drains meaning too much water that seeps to surface causing the pitch to be overly soft and cutting up each game. Our excessive wet weather this season has exacerbated the issue. Even on hybrid pitches you have to dig up and re-seed every off season as part of the regular maintenance . The challenge is City have a modern stadium with newer and cleaner and better drainage whereas the Mem still has drainage from Victorian times underneath it and we can’t do anything about that really…. I must have missed that if true, are you saying we have the same type of pitch as the 82 Ltd ? |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on May 8, 2023 9:15:55 GMT
The Mems pitch is a hybrid…. The issue we’ve had is drainage and blocked drains meaning too much water that seeps to surface causing the pitch to be overly soft and cutting up each game. Our excessive wet weather this season has exacerbated the issue. Even on hybrid pitches you have to dig up and re-seed every off season as part of the regular maintenance . The challenge is City have a modern stadium with newer and cleaner and better drainage whereas the Mem still has drainage from Victorian times underneath it and we can’t do anything about that really…. I must have missed that if true, are you saying we have the same type of pitch as the 82 Ltd ? Don’t know if it’s exactly the same but it’s definitely hybrid…. They released a video about it when it was first laid… (if I’m remembering correctly)… |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 8, 2023 9:23:57 GMT
I must have missed that if true, are you saying we have the same type of pitch as the 82 Ltd ? Don’t know if it’s exactly the same but it’s definitely hybrid…. They released a video about it when it was first laid… (if I’m remembering correctly)… Just wondering as i remember the other lot having a live video feed and then being able to play it at a much faster speed. I am not sure but i think the cost was rumoured to be 3 million. As for us, i can only ever remember being told that it would be dug up and new materials used, as in the type of sand and soil. I cannot find anything about us having a special pitch, although it’s the best i have ever seen us have |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on May 8, 2023 9:24:18 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on May 8, 2023 9:28:14 GMT
I was just looking at that link too. 👍 "What the fibre does is reinforce the turf meaning it does not come up in clumps." |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 8, 2023 9:28:37 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on May 8, 2023 9:29:55 GMT
Don’t know if it’s exactly the same but it’s definitely hybrid…. They released a video about it when it was first laid… (if I’m remembering correctly)… Just wondering as i remember the other lot having a live video feed and then being able to play it at a much faster speed. I am not sure but i think the cost was rumoured to be 3 million. As for us, i can only ever remember being told that it would be dug up and new materials used, as in the type of sand and soil. I cannot find anything about us having a special pitch, although it’s the best i have ever seen us have It's not a Desso pitch, it's a fibre pitch. "What the fibre does is reinforce the turf meaning it does not come up in clumps." |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 8, 2023 9:37:34 GMT
Don’t know if it’s exactly the same but it’s definitely hybrid…. They released a video about it when it was first laid… (if I’m remembering correctly)… Just wondering as i remember the other lot having a live video feed and then being able to play it at a much faster speed. I am not sure but i think the cost was rumoured to be 3 million. As for us, i can only ever remember being told that it would be dug up and new materials used, as in the type of sand and soil. I cannot find anything about us having a special pitch, although it’s the best i have ever seen us have It must be something a bit special for £250K!! |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on May 8, 2023 9:39:34 GMT
Just wondering as i remember the other lot having a live video feed and then being able to play it at a much faster speed. I am not sure but i think the cost was rumoured to be 3 million. As for us, i can only ever remember being told that it would be dug up and new materials used, as in the type of sand and soil. I cannot find anything about us having a special pitch, although it’s the best i have ever seen us have It must be something a bit special for £250K!! As per earlier posts it’s a hybrid fibre and grass pitch… |
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Post by mftc on May 22, 2023 7:02:44 GMT
Congrats to the Gas Girls for their SW cup win.
I see the CT trust organized a coach for supporters to watch the game. It's a pity that the club did not announce this was happening as I am sure more people would have gone along to support.
Hopefully the official website will feature a report shortly.
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Post by gulfofaden on May 22, 2023 7:56:36 GMT
It wasn’t before though was it? Only after the huge investment and blanket coverage - and giving away free tickets, now, after all that, it’s popular. I like snooker but it’s a dying game. If you put snooker centre stage 24/7 and gave a vast amount of grants and money to it, it would be back in the big time. It isn’t. Someone, somewhere decided that woman’s football was to be anointed and propped up with money. Olympic sports same boat. Need other peoples money to exist. Hence that I know that the groundswell in support is manufactured rather than organic, I’m abstaining. I see it the same as any other product which relies heavily on promotion and advertising. I’m not buying anything off a marketing campaign and I’ll stick to what I found interesting from my own will and endeavour and not what’s the current new thing . To be fair - your quote it ‘needs other peoples money to exist’ - what like men’s football?, where would we be without being constantly propped up by our generous owner? I get your point but it just depends on your view point how you argue it. I agree it has been helped by more exposure but many things require that bit of help to encourage more equality and diversity. 👍🏾 Sure, some things do need a bit of money/help to aid equality. There a contradiction in there but I’ll leave you to figure that out on your own 🤣 |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on May 22, 2023 8:48:17 GMT
Congrats to the Gas Girls for their SW cup win. I see the CT trust organized a coach for supporters to watch the game. It's a pity that the club did not announce this was happening as I am sure more people would have gone along to support. Hopefully the official website will feature a report shortly. It’s amazing what they’ve achieved considering they are ran entirely by unpaid volunteers, receive no funding from the club and it is through the Community Trust, Supporters Club and separate private sponsorship arrangements the Community Trust have facilitated and negotiated with local businesses that means they can actually operate and compete… |
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Post by faggotygas on May 22, 2023 10:50:53 GMT
60,000 fans at Arsenals recent semifinal game or in other words a complete sell out means the women’s game is huge now, they don’t need you to pretend anything - it is massively popular and requires reporting on because of that. It wasn’t before though was it? Only after the huge investment and blanket coverage - and giving away free tickets, now, after all that, it’s popular. I like snooker but it’s a dying game. If you put snooker centre stage 24/7 and gave a vast amount of grants and money to it, it would be back in the big time. It isn’t. Someone, somewhere decided that woman’s football was to be anointed and propped up with money. Olympic sports same boat. Need other peoples money to exist. Hence that I know that the groundswell in support is manufactured rather than organic, I’m abstaining. I see it the same as any other product which relies heavily on promotion and advertising. I’m not buying anything off a marketing campaign and I’ll stick to what I found interesting from my own will and endeavour and not what’s the current new thing . Some exaggeration with 'blanket coverage' and 'centre stage 24/7'. I know it might look different to different people, but the BBC Sports home page currently has 7 'top stories'. One cricket, one golf, one women's football, 4 men's football. |
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Post by warehamgas on May 22, 2023 12:13:26 GMT
It wasn’t before though was it? Only after the huge investment and blanket coverage - and giving away free tickets, now, after all that, it’s popular. I like snooker but it’s a dying game. If you put snooker centre stage 24/7 and gave a vast amount of grants and money to it, it would be back in the big time. It isn’t. Someone, somewhere decided that woman’s football was to be anointed and propped up with money. Olympic sports same boat. Need other peoples money to exist. Hence that I know that the groundswell in support is manufactured rather than organic, I’m abstaining. I see it the same as any other product which relies heavily on promotion and advertising. I’m not buying anything off a marketing campaign and I’ll stick to what I found interesting from my own will and endeavour and not what’s the current new thing . To be fair - your quote it ‘needs other peoples money to exist’ - what like men’s football?, where would we be without being constantly propped up by our generous owner? I get your point but it just depends on your view point how you argue it. I agree it has been helped by more exposure but many things require that bit of help to encourage more equality and diversity. 👍🏾 Sorry, I’m late to this having been away for nearly 3 weeks without internet coverage. Undoubtably the FA have put a lot of money into women’s football and the BBC have responded and given it enormous coverage. And I guess it depends on point of view as to whether you believe the coverage has followed the interest or whether the FA and BBC has covered it before there was enough interest. A clear ‘chicken and egg’ situation. I can see why some may be miffed by the current situation and will throw cliches at the situation thinking that there’s some kind of conspiracy to make people watch/ be interested in or anything else. But the BBC will have to abide by their charter of being a public service provider and I have no problem with the BBC publicising football from half the population when since 1926 up until very recently they more or less ignored female sport (in this case football). As for the FA, well I hope they do finance and support women’s football. Again I hope they are representing all people and not just the male half of the population. They did that for many years after making it impossible for women to even play competitive football so perhaps they are just putting right a wronggthat lasted for a long time. And of course, in the end, nobody is being forced to watch or listen or read about anything they don’t want to. The ‘off’ switch still works! 😉 UTG |
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Post by eric on May 22, 2023 12:30:47 GMT
Wont happen of course but clubs and FA could divide in two and share all their assets between the men’s and women’s games. Both would then be responsible for its own commercial revenues and would have to support themselves with the revenue they each generate. If the women’s game is as popular as we are told then this wouldn’t be a problem - in the meantime there will continue to be suspicion that it is being propped up by the mens game.
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Post by warehamgas on May 22, 2023 12:57:04 GMT
Wont happen of course but clubs and FA could divide in two and share all their assets between the men’s and women’s games. Both would then be responsible for its own commercial revenues and would have to support themselves with the revenue they each generate. If the women’s game is as popular as we are told then this wouldn’t be a problem - in the meantime there will continue to be suspicion that it is being propped up by the mens game. Yes, that’s an idea although I’m not sure it will happen. But the expression ‘propped up’ tends to be seen as a negative term. You may be right that the men’s game supports all forms of football in this country. Nothing wrong with that is there? If Wael AQ didnt/hadn’t ‘propped up’ BRFC for the past 7 years none of us might have had a club to support in that time. 👍 UTG! |
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 22, 2023 13:01:54 GMT
Interesting debate, i assume that the debate is not 'should woman be playing football' but should they be getting help to promote it?
Whenever a new product comes on to the market it usually follows a concerted advertising campaign in order to make people aware of it, this applies to tech gadgets /new phones the latest FIFA game, new food lines and so on, the latter usually come with either free introductory offers or discounts, you try it and then decide if you are prepared to pay the full market price, same with free tickets for Ladies games, you take advantage of the freebie and then decide whether you want to pay next time. Rovers do quid a kid, so you take junior along he may get hooked and you are prepared to pay the full price next time, happy days (except for your wallet!).I have no prob with the FA ,clubs promoting the woman's game, junior football, walking football, football for disabled or any other football, the more people who enjoy it the better imho, folk are free to watch or not as is their wish just as they are free to buy the latest gadget, game, phone, or food fad, me ?well most gadget advertising is wasted on me, i hear and see the advertising but it has no impact on me, just as promoting the women's game will have no impact on some folk and that's fine.as for TV coverage well there is an off button and channel changer, in the BBC case there aint much left for them to show now is there so there is an element of desperation in their coverage i suppose., now i'm off to listen to my Walkman!(ask your dad!)
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 22, 2023 14:09:45 GMT
I wish that the BBC would have different pages for Mens/Scottish/Ladies football fixtures. Get fed up of scrolling past the Premiership, Scottish Premiership, and the Ladies Premiership before reaching the Championship and EFL fixtures. Similarly, I'm sure that people who want to see the Ladies fixtures aren't interested in the Premiership or Scottish Premiership, which they have to scroll past.
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Post by eric on May 22, 2023 14:43:29 GMT
Wont happen of course but clubs and FA could divide in two and share all their assets between the men’s and women’s games. Both would then be responsible for its own commercial revenues and would have to support themselves with the revenue they each generate. If the women’s game is as popular as we are told then this wouldn’t be a problem - in the meantime there will continue to be suspicion that it is being propped up by the mens game. Yes, that’s an idea although I’m not sure it will happen. But the expression ‘propped up’ tends to be seen as a negative term. You may be right that the men’s game supports all forms of football in this country. Nothing wrong with that is there? If Wael AQ didnt/hadn’t ‘propped up’ BRFC for the past 7 years none of us might have had a club to support in that time. 👍 UTG! I’m all for women’s sport (participation sport in general) and the health benefits it has for the whole country - who wouldn’t? My issue is that women’s football needs to be allowed to develop organically and with greater transparency. It is growing, which is great, but let it develop at its own pace. Let’s not pretend it’s an equal product (at the moment) and equally in demand by giving tickets away and then shouting attendance numbers from the roof tops. If the sport is in as much demand as some want us to believe then the players should be paid from the revenues they themselves generate. I’m not saying it’s in danger of collapse or anything that dramatic but building a bit of a false demand type competition sounds like ‘socccer’ in North America in the 1970’s. At some point the women’s game needs to stand on its own two feet and it will be better achieved and more sustainable by doing so without any false manipulation. |
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Post by aghast on May 22, 2023 16:07:35 GMT
A few people on here who back in the day would have looked down on Martina Navratilova and Paula Radcliffe.
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