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Post by warehamgas on May 27, 2023 11:11:57 GMT
Because he's being disingenuous. He's playing a game with his words, which he often does. Setting out a controversial view, wondering why those who disagree with it are wanting to manipulate society, and then saying it's not something he is personally invested in. It's his style and it's rather sly. A style which gets some likes because it's sugar coated and seemingly acceptable, but some of us can see through it. And why oh why do we have to resort to this 'would you say it to him in person' stuff? It's a bloody internet forum. If every heated discussion on the internet were to be resolved with a showdown at dawn in the car park, the participants would be queuing for weeks. [br There is nothing to see through. You're desperate to get an "AHA" moment and 'prove' I'm a racist/sexist because you're unable to appreciate other views as you view everything as a dichotomy, and can’t think beyond unsophisticated partisanship. You’re going to view this as a sugar coat because deep down, you can’t fathom that anyone who doesn’t share your view as being anything but a malignant, bad influence dressing things up for their cause. Don’t forget I was one of you once and I know exactly how it works. I don’t think you’re doing it disingenuously, I know full well you believe what you’ve written, but I’m saying it’s ironically sourced from an intellectual place of solipsism and bigotry, the latter of which I sense is what you suspect lies behind the sugar coat! Your second point I agree with. You’re welcome to say as you please online, that’s the game and I take no offence provided it doesn’t get personal. That’s the like in my opinion. Other than that feel free to spar, I often give as good as I get and I rather enjoy it. As I’ve said, my objection is to bandwaggoning, and as Ive said, i think its progressives like you who want to push this because its a form of activism on gender equality. So Im not playing. This doesn't mean i want to prevent women playing or attending games, far from it. I dont really care if they do or don't - its up to everyone to pursue their own interests. That's basically a libertarian position, which you struggle understanding. You aren’t automatically on the opposite team, there’s a 3rd position, roughly “give your politics a rest and let people be”. Just because I don't want to get with "tHe MeSsAgE" doesn't mean i have some counter programme or message. I just wish they would F off and leave people alone and stop jamming politics into football and everywhere they can. Absolutely brilliant goa!!😆😆😆 I think you’re a brilliant wind-up but I like reading what you write. I’m not sure what thesaurus you swallowed, basically what the **** you’re on about but that made me chuckle although I’m not really sure what much of it meant! I think your point was you don’t join bandwagons which is fair enough. 👍 UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on May 27, 2023 11:21:14 GMT
[br There is nothing to see through. You're desperate to get an "AHA" moment and 'prove' I'm a racist/sexist because you're unable to appreciate other views as you view everything as a dichotomy, and can’t think beyond unsophisticated partisanship. You’re going to view this as a sugar coat because deep down, you can’t fathom that anyone who doesn’t share your view as being anything but a malignant, bad influence dressing things up for their cause. Don’t forget I was one of you once and I know exactly how it works. I don’t think you’re doing it disingenuously, I know full well you believe what you’ve written, but I’m saying it’s ironically sourced from an intellectual place of solipsism and bigotry, the latter of which I sense is what you suspect lies behind the sugar coat! Your second point I agree with. You’re welcome to say as you please online, that’s the game and I take no offence provided it doesn’t get personal. That’s the like in my opinion. Other than that feel free to spar, I often give as good as I get and I rather enjoy it. As I’ve said, my objection is to bandwaggoning, and as Ive said, i think its progressives like you who want to push this because its a form of activism on gender equality. So Im not playing. This doesn't mean i want to prevent women playing or attending games, far from it. I dont really care if they do or don't - its up to everyone to pursue their own interests. That's basically a libertarian position, which you struggle understanding. You aren’t automatically on the opposite team, there’s a 3rd position, roughly “give your politics a rest and let people be”. Just because I don't want to get with "tHe MeSsAgE" doesn't mean i have some counter programme or message. I just wish they would F off and leave people alone and stop jamming politics into football and everywhere they can. Without getting too deep, what i see if that women’s football is being piggybacked ( if that’s even a word)? Into football TV programmes, instead of having stand alone women’s football programmes. It has really disappointed me as i had a routine of soccer am , even though it’s not what it was and then FF but the latter really has changed, to the detriment of it’s viewers and overall. I think it should be allowed to grow of it’s own accord but i have been called a misogynist and sexist due to those views. Unfortunately life is politics and politics is life. I don’t hate on any of it but it does grind me gears that it’s not been allowed to grow as a stand alone product Oh come on KP!! Just because they’ve upset the Saturday routine of a middle aged man. Blimey, just imagine what the people of Ukraine think about Putin upsetting their routines. But you’re right about “life is politics and politics is life.” No getting away from that in a media-savvy age when everyone has a view and all topics are politicised even though they are not political in the traditional sense. You call it “piggybacking” others call it a reflection of the investment and interest in the women’s game. And you know and I know that very few interests or sports grow organically without help. And even BRFC does not stand on its own, we need to ‘piggyback’ on the wealth of WAQ! 😉 Don’t we? UTG! |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 27, 2023 12:26:36 GMT
Without getting too deep, what i see if that women’s football is being piggybacked ( if that’s even a word)? Into football TV programmes, instead of having stand alone women’s football programmes. It has really disappointed me as i had a routine of soccer am , even though it’s not what it was and then FF but the latter really has changed, to the detriment of it’s viewers and overall. I think it should be allowed to grow of it’s own accord but i have been called a misogynist and sexist due to those views. Unfortunately life is politics and politics is life. I don’t hate on any of it but it does grind me gears that it’s not been allowed to grow as a stand alone product Oh come on KP!! Just because they’ve upset the Saturday routine of a middle aged man. Blimey, just imagine what the people of Ukraine think about Putin upsetting their routines. But you’re right about “life is politics and politics is life.” No getting away from that in a media-savvy age when everyone has a view and all topics are politicised even though they are not political in the traditional sense. You call it “piggybacking” others call it a reflection of the investment and interest in the women’s game. And you know and I know that very few interests or sports grow organically without help. And even BRFC does not stand on its own, we need to ‘piggyback’ on the wealth of WAQ! 😉 Don’t we? UTG! I've given up on Football Focus, it's changed beyond all recognition, the format just doesn't flow anymore. Can you imagine the F1 preview featuring Go-karting every week? |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on May 27, 2023 13:16:42 GMT
I agree that women’s sport and football is equally deserving of growing as its own product rather than piggybacking onto the male equivalent. That’s not to say it can’t be talked about in the same breadth or alongside but it should have its own dedicated support just as the men’s game does. This would include equal funding, sponsorship, airtime etc as it is no less of a product as the men’s game…. However, we must recognise that in comparative terms, the female game is in its infancy in the UK with the advent of fully professional leagues etc relatively new - this is why there may seem to be more incentives and promotion to help generate and entice interest initially with a view that that will sustain. It is no different to what happened when the men’s game first began to become established, no different to ongoing promotions that clubs etc run (kid a quid, free tickets, reduced match ticket prices for certain games etc etc) The Women’s Super League show is a dedicated show for the women’s game that is on typically after Match of the Day and is a decent watch if you can stay up for it…. My thoughts are that at some point when the lower leagues become stronger it would be good to have other leagues on tv as well as WSL and maybe at a more mainstream air time rather than at midnight… I appreciate that women’s sport isn’t for everyone as some people don’t find it as interesting but that doesn’t mean it is any worse or better than the men’s game. Question - if the Gas Girls were in the Women’s Super League and playing European football etc would people still hold the same views as they have expressed on here? On a separate note, the Gas Girls won Gold at the Women’s Football Business Awards yesterday (I think) beating the likes of Chelsea, Southampton, Wrexham etc… Did winning that gold bring any financial gain, please ? I don’t believe so - just the same as the award that the mens team got Bronze in last season, it’s the prestige and recognition and the ability to help promote that they are ‘winners’ etc when looking for sponsors to help fund them. We need to remember that the Gas Girls are wholly ran by unpaid volunteers and it is only the Community Trust, Supporters Club, fans groups and parents and other sponsorships from local businesses which is nowhere near the magnitude of what the men’s game gets that keeps the team able to operate. That’s what makes the award win even more special as they were up against ‘fully funded’ clubs… Re your point about fairer sex etc, I get that - what I would say is that the women’s game is different in spirit to the men’s. You don’t tend to see fighting or even ref / line abuse and it’s played with much stronger sporting comeraderie with opponents helping each other up, apologising for late tackles , recognising good play / goals / tackles, no feigning injury, no back chatting or ‘winding’ up etc etc… It’s technically good to watch and doesn’t have all the ‘crap’ that we see nowadays in the mens game |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 27, 2023 14:00:59 GMT
Did winning that gold bring any financial gain, please ? I don’t believe so - just the same as the award that the mens team got Bronze in last season, it’s the prestige and recognition and the ability to help promote that they are ‘winners’ etc when looking for sponsors to help fund them. We need to remember that the Gas Girls are wholly ran by unpaid volunteers and it is only the Community Trust, Supporters Club, fans groups and parents and other sponsorships from local businesses which is nowhere near the magnitude of what the men’s game gets that keeps the team able to operate. That’s what makes the award win even more special as they were up against ‘fully funded’ clubs… Re your point about fairer sex etc, I get that - what I would say is that the women’s game is different in spirit to the men’s. You don’t tend to see fighting or even ref / line abuse and it’s played with much stronger sporting comeraderie with opponents helping each other up, apologising for late tackles , recognising good play / goals / tackles, no feigning injury, no back chatting or ‘winding’ up etc etc… It’s technically good to watch and doesn’t have all the ‘crap’ that we see nowadays in the mens game The club have done extremely well, especially given that we had to start from scratch after Higgs could not fund the original women’s team and they went to AG |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 27, 2023 14:05:09 GMT
Without getting too deep, what i see if that women’s football is being piggybacked ( if that’s even a word)? Into football TV programmes, instead of having stand alone women’s football programmes. It has really disappointed me as i had a routine of soccer am , even though it’s not what it was and then FF but the latter really has changed, to the detriment of it’s viewers and overall. I think it should be allowed to grow of it’s own accord but i have been called a misogynist and sexist due to those views. Unfortunately life is politics and politics is life. I don’t hate on any of it but it does grind me gears that it’s not been allowed to grow as a stand alone product Oh come on KP!! Just because they’ve upset the Saturday routine of a middle aged man. Blimey, just imagine what the people of Ukraine think about Putin upsetting their routines. But you’re right about “life is politics and politics is life.” No getting away from that in a media-savvy age when everyone has a view and all topics are politicised even though they are not political in the traditional sense. You call it “piggybacking” others call it a reflection of the investment and interest in the women’s game. And you know and I know that very few interests or sports grow organically without help. And even BRFC does not stand on its own, we need to ‘piggyback’ on the wealth of WAQ! 😉 Don’t we? UTG! Middle aged ? I will take that as a complement. I’d say mature. I just think it would give a truer reflection on the true and real interest is all. Me ? It’s just not for me. I would apologise if i had done something wrong or bad mouthed it but it’s just my preference and how i view women. As i said, i.m fine being called a dinosaur on this |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 27, 2023 14:28:32 GMT
Oh come on KP!! Just because they’ve upset the Saturday routine of a middle aged man. Blimey, just imagine what the people of Ukraine think about Putin upsetting their routines. But you’re right about “life is politics and politics is life.” No getting away from that in a media-savvy age when everyone has a view and all topics are politicised even though they are not political in the traditional sense. You call it “piggybacking” others call it a reflection of the investment and interest in the women’s game. And you know and I know that very few interests or sports grow organically without help. And even BRFC does not stand on its own, we need to ‘piggyback’ on the wealth of WAQ! 😉 Don’t we? UTG! Middle aged ? I will take that as a complement. I’d say mature. I just think it would give a truer reflection on the true and real interest is all. Me ? It’s just not for me. I would apologise if i had done something wrong or bad mouthed it but it’s just my preference and how i view women. As i said, im fibre being called a dinosaur on this I actually think that it's a bit of an insult to the women's game, that they get shoehorned into Football Focus. People who are involved in, or support, the women's game aren't necessarily going to want to watch segments about men's football. The women should have a similar programme, dedicated to their game, also with a prime Saturday lunchtime slot - for me, that would signal equality. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 27, 2023 15:08:10 GMT
I don’t believe so - just the same as the award that the mens team got Bronze in last season, it’s the prestige and recognition and the ability to help promote that they are ‘winners’ etc when looking for sponsors to help fund them. We need to remember that the Gas Girls are wholly ran by unpaid volunteers and it is only the Community Trust, Supporters Club, fans groups and parents and other sponsorships from local businesses which is nowhere near the magnitude of what the men’s game gets that keeps the team able to operate. That’s what makes the award win even more special as they were up against ‘fully funded’ clubs… Re your point about fairer sex etc, I get that - what I would say is that the women’s game is different in spirit to the men’s. You don’t tend to see fighting or even ref / line abuse and it’s played with much stronger sporting comeraderie with opponents helping each other up, apologising for late tackles , recognising good play / goals / tackles, no feigning injury, no back chatting or ‘winding’ up etc etc… It’s technically good to watch and doesn’t have all the ‘crap’ that we see nowadays in the mens game The club have done extremely well, especially given that we had to start from scratch after Higgs could not fund the original women’s team and they went to AG Assuming you are referring to Rovers as "the club" I don't believe they have any involvement and the success is all down to the Community Trust which was something built up by KM. |
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Post by warehamgas on May 27, 2023 16:12:32 GMT
Middle aged ? I will take that as a complement. I’d say mature. I just think it would give a truer reflection on the true and real interest is all. Me ? It’s just not for me. I would apologise if i had done something wrong or bad mouthed it but it’s just my preference and how i view women. As i said, im fibre being called a dinosaur on this I actually think that it's a bit of an insult to the women's game, that they get shoehorned into Football Focus. People who are involved in, or support, the women's game aren't necessarily going to want to watch segments about men's football. The women should have a similar programme, dedicated to their game, also with a prime Saturday lunchtime slot - for me, that would signal equality. The BBC are a public service broadcaster. They are not Sky or ITV they do not have limitless time nor the freedom to do what they want. I already know lots of people who are completely fed up with the amount of football on television. So I completely understand why they have to combine lots of different forms of football. As a public service broadcaster the BBC have a duty to reflect lots of causes many on here probably don’t even know about and probably like even less. In their charter will be stuff about minorities, equalities and other ‘isms’. You call it ‘shoehorned’, I’d call it ‘included’ and ‘as part of..’ 😉 The BBC have to meet and cater for lots of people including minorities. I absolutely loathe what they put on BBC1 after the 10o’clock news but know they are just meeting their charter requirements regarding the age group they’re aiming at and the style of programme broadcast then. As to women’s football I’m happy to see the BBC give great coverage to the game. 50% of the population getting a far greater coverage than in the past seems entirely reasonable to me. I don’t watch much of it but that’s a choice I can make without affecting others who want to see it. 👍 UTG! |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 27, 2023 16:50:04 GMT
Middle aged ? I will take that as a complement. I’d say mature. I just think it would give a truer reflection on the true and real interest is all. Me ? It’s just not for me. I would apologise if i had done something wrong or bad mouthed it but it’s just my preference and how i view women. As i said, im fibre being called a dinosaur on this I actually think that it's a bit of an insult to the women's game, that they get shoehorned into Football Focus. People who are involved in, or support, the women's game aren't necessarily going to want to watch segments about men's football. The women should have a similar programme, dedicated to their game, also with a prime Saturday lunchtime slot - for me, that would signal equality. Absolutely Tilly, that is exactly how i see it but , as i have said, the politics and agendas always get the best of it. Such a shame |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 27, 2023 16:52:21 GMT
The club have done extremely well, especially given that we had to start from scratch after Higgs could not fund the original women’s team and they went to AG Assuming you are referring to Rovers as "the club" I don't believe they have any involvement and the success is all down to the Community Trust which was something built up by KM. so, why did they leave when Higgs withdrew funding ? |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 27, 2023 16:58:49 GMT
History of the current Gas Girls
Bristol Rovers Women's (Aka the 'Gas Girls') is an English Women's Football Club situated in the north of Bristol. The club re-launched in the spring of 2019 by Bristol Rovers Community Trust with it's main focus on community, education, participation and performance.
The former club was founded in the 1980's and enjoyed success in the regional leagues and a run to the semi-final of the FA Cup in 2001, losing to eventual winners Arsenal. In 2005 the club became know as Bristol Academy WFC. With no women's team representing Bristol Rovers for 14 years, Nathan Hallett-Young and Matthew Davies founded the re-launched club alongside Community Trust CEO and 'Gas Girls' Chairman, Adam Tutton.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 27, 2023 17:04:00 GMT
History of the current Gas GirlsBristol Rovers Women's (Aka the 'Gas Girls') is an English Women's Football Club situated in the north of Bristol. The club re-launched in the spring of 2019 by Bristol Rovers Community Trust with it's main focus on community, education, participation and performance. The former club was founded in the 1980's and enjoyed success in the regional leagues and a run to the semi-final of the FA Cup in 2001, losing to eventual winners Arsenal. In 2005 the club became know as Bristol Academy WFC. With no women's team representing Bristol Rovers for 14 years, Nathan Hallett-Young and Matthew Davies founded the re-launched club alongside Community Trust CEO and 'Gas Girls' Chairman, Adam Tutton. Thank you. Now i get it, the original team was run by the club, the reincarnation , by the trust. Many thanks |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 27, 2023 17:23:36 GMT
History of the current Gas GirlsBristol Rovers Women's (Aka the 'Gas Girls') is an English Women's Football Club situated in the north of Bristol. The club re-launched in the spring of 2019 by Bristol Rovers Community Trust with it's main focus on community, education, participation and performance. The former club was founded in the 1980's and enjoyed success in the regional leagues and a run to the semi-final of the FA Cup in 2001, losing to eventual winners Arsenal. In 2005 the club became know as Bristol Academy WFC. With no women's team representing Bristol Rovers for 14 years, Nathan Hallett-Young and Matthew Davies founded the re-launched club alongside Community Trust CEO and 'Gas Girls' Chairman, Adam Tutton. Thank you. Now i get it, the original team was run by the club, the reincarnation , by the trust. Many thanks Nothing is ever straightforward with Rovers, is it?  Yesterday the Community Trust won the Womens Football Business Award - they were up against some big hitters, including the Chelsea Women's Team, so well done to everybody involved in this. |
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Post by bluegas on May 27, 2023 18:15:52 GMT
The BBC are a public service broadcaster. They are not Sky or ITV they do not have limitless time nor the freedom to do what they want. I already know lots of people who are completely fed up with the amount of football on television. So I completely understand why they have to combine lots of different forms of football. As a public service broadcaster the BBC have a duty to reflect lots of causes many on here probably don’t even know about and probably like even less. In their charter will be stuff about minorities, equalities and other ‘isms’. You call it ‘shoehorned’, I’d call it ‘included’ and ‘as part of..’ 😉 The BBC have to meet and cater for lots of people including minorities. I absolutely loathe what they put on BBC1 after the 10o’clock news but know they are just meeting their charter requirements regarding the age group they’re aiming at and the style of programme broadcast then. As to women’s football I’m happy to see the BBC give great coverage to the game. 50% of the population getting a far greater coverage than in the past seems entirely reasonable to me. I don’t watch much of it but that’s a choice I can make without affecting others who want to see it. 👍 UTG! The BBC started covering Women's football some years back, I assume in their role (as you say) as a public service provider, but also as other broadcasters had bought up men's football. They persevered and it grew gradually. Then the World Cup for Women. Suddenly ITV are all over it and will end up with it - or BT or Sky. So - the commercial channels won't look at anything unless it's popular - and attracts money. But it won't grow without TV exposure. Hey ho. |
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Post by percy on May 27, 2023 21:18:06 GMT
Every argument being made for “pushing women’s football” could be made about most sports including men’s football.
US soccer league anyone?
Give it a rest now. Enjoy it or don’t. Like everything else in life.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 28, 2023 7:47:31 GMT
Every argument being made for “pushing women’s football” could be made about most sports including men’s football. US soccer league anyone? Give it a rest now. Enjoy it or don’t. Like everything else in life. You think it’s bad here, you should hear my Mrs when i am watching on iFollow or other. No wonder many are down the pub 😂 |
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