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Post by gulfofaden on May 22, 2023 17:40:16 GMT
It wasn’t before though was it? Only after the huge investment and blanket coverage - and giving away free tickets, now, after all that, it’s popular. I like snooker but it’s a dying game. If you put snooker centre stage 24/7 and gave a vast amount of grants and money to it, it would be back in the big time. It isn’t. Someone, somewhere decided that woman’s football was to be anointed and propped up with money. Olympic sports same boat. Need other peoples money to exist. Hence that I know that the groundswell in support is manufactured rather than organic, I’m abstaining. I see it the same as any other product which relies heavily on promotion and advertising. I’m not buying anything off a marketing campaign and I’ll stick to what I found interesting from my own will and endeavour and not what’s the current new thing . Some exaggeration with 'blanket coverage' and 'centre stage 24/7'. I know it might look different to different people, but the BBC Sports home page currently has 7 'top stories'. One cricket, one golf, one women's football, 4 men's football. BBC sport app under football section: First 20 stories 4 on women’s football 1 on the work life balance for mothers who play football The rest are about men’s football 2 stories about racism in football Is any of this a bad thing? Not per se, but I’m fairly convinced it’s written by liberals who want a progressive take on sports reporting. Which isn’t journalism, it’s activism. |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on May 22, 2023 18:01:03 GMT
Not read all of the comments on this thread but not sure what the issue is with Women’s sport and Women’s Football being given air time and promotion? It’s what the Mens game gets and I believe that all can live in coexistence?
If by promoting the women’s game it generates greater interest then that’s a good thing isn’t it as it facilitate greater diversity in audiences watching live sport be it their favourite women’s team, men’s team or both through the love of watching football etc? It will also encourage more young girls and women to play the sport…
I’ve watched both men’s and women’s football this season… watching the gas guys is still my number one but I really enjoy watching the gas girls.. it’s competitive and technically strong and you don’t get the stupid ego stuff and feigning injury that we see in the men’s game and generally it is played in a much better spirit… when it comes to international football, I much prefer watching the Women’s England team than the Men’s as the Women’s team provide more excitement in my opinion…
The men’s game and women’s game are equally as good but in different ways and equally deserving of promotion and funding and proactive encouragement
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Post by warehamgas on May 22, 2023 20:23:55 GMT
Yes, that’s an idea although I’m not sure it will happen. But the expression ‘propped up’ tends to be seen as a negative term. You may be right that the men’s game supports all forms of football in this country. Nothing wrong with that is there? If Wael AQ didnt/hadn’t ‘propped up’ BRFC for the past 7 years none of us might have had a club to support in that time. 👍 UTG! I’m all for women’s sport (participation sport in general) and the health benefits it has for the whole country - who wouldn’t? My issue is that women’s football needs to be allowed to develop organically and with greater transparency. It is growing, which is great, but let it develop at its own pace. Let’s not pretend it’s an equal product (at the moment) and equally in demand by giving tickets away and then shouting attendance numbers from the roof tops. If the sport is in as much demand as some want us to believe then the players should be paid from the revenues they themselves generate. I’m not saying it’s in danger of collapse or anything that dramatic but building a bit of a false demand type competition sounds like ‘socccer’ in North America in the 1970’s. At some point the women’s game needs to stand on its own two feet and it will be better achieved and more sustainable by doing so without any false manipulation. Good post. Not sure what ‘being allowed to develop organically’ means. Does it mean let it grow without interference or support? Having coached boys and girls football in schools for over 20 years I can say that if you do that little happens. We had to work hard to provide quality training from eager volunteers in dedicated girls only sessions. Put the girls and boys together from 9 onwards and it will be a turn off for many girls. The very best will cope but the vast majority will be turned off the game by trying to compete with more naturally aggressive boys. Of course some girls can do that and do but the vast majority will not. Put on girls only sessions and they really do develop well. But doing that is time-intensive and heavily dependent upon high quality coaching which costs. As to the comment that ‘if the sport is in as much demand……..’ Come on eric if that principle was applied to men’s football in this country outside of the PL the salaries of BRFC players and most EFL clubs’ players would be cut in half or even more. You’re saying that football should be run sustainably, I completely agree but let’s face it if BRFC or any other League 1 or League 2 club were to do that some of them, including us perhaps would be joining Yeovil in the NLS! I’m very surprised that so many seem to have a problem with half the population having equal opportunities with the other half of the population. I wonder how many have daughters or granddaughters and if that affects opinions. UTG! |
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Post by eric on May 22, 2023 21:04:29 GMT
I’m all for women’s sport (participation sport in general) and the health benefits it has for the whole country - who wouldn’t? My issue is that women’s football needs to be allowed to develop organically and with greater transparency. It is growing, which is great, but let it develop at its own pace. Let’s not pretend it’s an equal product (at the moment) and equally in demand by giving tickets away and then shouting attendance numbers from the roof tops. If the sport is in as much demand as some want us to believe then the players should be paid from the revenues they themselves generate. I’m not saying it’s in danger of collapse or anything that dramatic but building a bit of a false demand type competition sounds like ‘socccer’ in North America in the 1970’s. At some point the women’s game needs to stand on its own two feet and it will be better achieved and more sustainable by doing so without any false manipulation. Good post. Not sure what ‘being allowed to develop organically’ means. Does it mean let it grow without interference or support? Having coached boys and girls football in schools for over 20 years I can say that if you do that little happens. We had to work hard to provide quality training from eager volunteers in dedicated girls only sessions. Put the girls and boys together from 9 onwards and it will be a turn off for many girls. The very best will cope but the vast majority will be turned off the game by trying to compete with more naturally aggressive boys. Of course some girls can do that and do but the vast majority will not. Put on girls only sessions and they really do develop well. But doing that is time-intensive and heavily dependent upon high quality coaching which costs. As to the comment that ‘if the sport is in as much demand……..’ Come on eric if that principle was applied to men’s football in this country outside of the PL the salaries of BRFC players and most EFL clubs’ players would be cut in half or even more. You’re saying that football should be run sustainably, I completely agree but let’s face it if BRFC or any other League 1 or League 2 club were to do that some of them, including us perhaps would be joining Yeovil in the NLS! I’m very surprised that so many seem to have a problem with half the population having equal opportunities with the other half of the population. I wonder how many have daughters or granddaughters and if that affects opinions. UTG! Who has a problem with equal opportunity? I see a problem with it being over hyped for want of a better phrase which is leading to expectations of equal pay etc but that is unrealistic. That’s what I mean by stand on its own two feet, the game needs to generate its own income to be sustainable in the long term. At the moment money is pouring into the top level men’s game through gates and tv revenue and that has to be used to prop up the professional women’s game. Look at the money being offered for women’s World Cup tv rights, there just isn’t enough ‘natural’ revenue at the moment. There is too much of a rush to get it on a par with the men’s game when there is just no comparison in terms of genuine interest. Constantly chasing higher attendances by giving away free tickets to exaggerate the level of interest isn’t doing themselves any favours. There is nothing wrong with encouraging and promoting the game but you cannot just race to it being equal overnight, regardless of what has happened in the past that makes everyone in a rush to bring it to par. You could widen the argument and say why is one sportsperson at the top of his/her game earning more than someone in a different sport? Their income is driven by the popularity of their chosen sport and how much people are prepared to pay to watch it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 21:39:37 GMT
I’m all for equal opportunities, but I’ll be honest , women’s football just doesn’t interest me. Nothing against women , or womens football , I’ve tried to get into it and I simply can’t.
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Post by gulfofaden on May 23, 2023 4:39:32 GMT
The principle I have a hard job understanding:
Say 10 years ago football was (and still is) incredibly popular with boys and men.
It wasn’t hugely popular with girls.
If I think of all the women I know, I didn’t know a single one who was remotely interested in it. My mother and sister might come to the odd game but that’s where it ended. None of my partners wanted to come.
One can either infer from this that A/ women generally dont like football or b/. football is an exclusionary misogynist sport which actively discourages female participation.
thinking again of the women in my life, i think they just genuinely had other interests and werent closet fans, cruelly cut out by bullying abd cliquey males.
So if this is the case, WHY? why is it a good thing to encourage female participation in a sport which didn't have a great deal of interest before the money poured in?
My wife is obsessed with skincare and foodie youtube vids. i see no campaign to encourage male participation in skincare.
its happened now and i really dont care either way. it makes no differnce to me and each to their own. Its just a curiousity to see these social phenomenons. As a live and let live kind of guy, its interesting to see the thought processes of what i call busybodies - always campaigning and trying to shape society in their image of a better one!
I get it if you have a daughter who is into football how you’d want to promote it, as there’s skin in the game. Other than that, I won’t be encouraging or discouraging mine from playing. She will be offered the chance to come to rovers games, it’s up to her basically. I don’t see a reason why she SHOULD like it if she’s into piano or ballet or animals or tennis or whatnot.
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Post by oldie on May 23, 2023 4:53:43 GMT
The principle I have a hard job understanding: Say 10 years ago football was (and still is) incredibly popular with boys and men. It wasn’t hugely popular with girls. If I think of all the women I know, I didn’t know a single one who was remotely interested in it. My mother and sister might come to the odd game but that’s where it ended. None of my partners wanted to come. One can either infer from this that A/ women generally dont like football or b/. football is an exclusionary misogynist sport which actively discourages female participation. thinking again of the women in my life, i think they just genuinely had other interests and werent closet fans, cruelly cut out by bullying abd cliquey males. So if this is the case, WHY? why is it a good thing to encourage female participation in a sport which didn't have a great deal of interest before the money poured in? My wife is obsessed with skincare and foodie youtube vids. i see no campaign to encourage male participation in skincare. its happened now and i really dont care either way. it makes no differnce to me and each to their own. Its just a curiousity to see these social phenomenons. As a live and let live kind of guy, its interesting to see the thought processes of what i call busybodies - always campaigning and trying to shape society in their image of a better one! Think of young children. Think of the health benefits, think of the social benefits and the developmental benefits of young, female in this example, participating in organised team sport. It's not just about middle aged men choosing to like or dislike, in fact it is nothing to do with them. The fact that your wife (your example you chose to post up) is "infatuated" with social media covering "foodie" and skin care products rather makes my point. I mean no disrespect to your wife, obviously but I have twin female grand children, 5 years old. I know which path their parents are taking them down and it won't be that, but participative sport is definitely on the table. One of the barriers they will have to overcome is the image of males fighting at football games, male fans exalting the violence and their favoured team's manager advocating reward. |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on May 23, 2023 7:25:58 GMT
The principle I have a hard job understanding: Say 10 years ago football was (and still is) incredibly popular with boys and men. It wasn’t hugely popular with girls. If I think of all the women I know, I didn’t know a single one who was remotely interested in it. My mother and sister might come to the odd game but that’s where it ended. None of my partners wanted to come. One can either infer from this that A/ women generally dont like football or b/. football is an exclusionary misogynist sport which actively discourages female participation. thinking again of the women in my life, i think they just genuinely had other interests and werent closet fans, cruelly cut out by bullying abd cliquey males. So if this is the case, WHY? why is it a good thing to encourage female participation in a sport which didn't have a great deal of interest before the money poured in? My wife is obsessed with skincare and foodie youtube vids. i see no campaign to encourage male participation in skincare. its happened now and i really dont care either way. it makes no differnce to me and each to their own. Its just a curiousity to see these social phenomenons. As a live and let live kind of guy, its interesting to see the thought processes of what i call busybodies - always campaigning and trying to shape society in their image of a better one! I get it if you have a daughter who is into football how you’d want to promote it, as there’s skin in the game. Other than that, I won’t be encouraging or discouraging mine from playing. She will be offered the chance to come to rovers games, it’s up to her basically. I don’t see a reason why she SHOULD like it if she’s into piano or ballet or animals or tennis or whatnot. I kind of understand the point you’re trying to make but it’s slightly flawed in my opinion. We need to remember that the Britain was quite chauvinistic and it was only more recent decades that this has started to change…. But if you look back at film footage of football in the 50’s Women were often at football matches… You mention about cooking and skincare for men but I think you’ll find both of these are growing in popularity - there are more cookery programmes featuring male chefs and more male chefs typically and skincare for men is widely advertised on tv (Nivea and Liverpool?) |
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Post by faggotygas on May 23, 2023 8:20:36 GMT
Some exaggeration with 'blanket coverage' and 'centre stage 24/7'. I know it might look different to different people, but the BBC Sports home page currently has 7 'top stories'. One cricket, one golf, one women's football, 4 men's football. BBC sport app under football section: First 20 stories 4 on women’s football 1 on the work life balance for mothers who play football The rest are about men’s football 2 stories about racism in football Is any of this a bad thing? Not per se, but I’m fairly convinced it’s written by liberals who want a progressive take on sports reporting. Which isn’t journalism, it’s activism. So a quarter? Only 4 this morning. You agree not 'blanket coverage' or 'centre stage' then, but a strong minority of the stories, and actually pretty well in proportion with the general interest in the game. |
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Post by dudelebowski on May 23, 2023 8:38:41 GMT
Have always attended football with girl mates since a very young age, even to this day with Rovers & England. It’s nothing new to me, nothing unusual or out of the ordinary. Two of my very close friends have had season tickets for well over a decade, others a lot longer. I also have two sisters, though they only really get into footie during tournament time with England.
Even in school, in my year we had a set of twins and one other girl who were football mad (and each of them better than 90% of the lads in our age group) always joined in our lunchtime matches & were a part of local teams at the time. Shame they were all sheedheads😄this was late 90’s into 2000 by the time we left school, I don’t remember much derogatory nonsense being sent there way even then, I suppose they were fortunate going by attitudes I’ve seen and heard on terraces.
Adult Women, young women & girls being at the football or participating in football is just perfectly regular to me. Will never understand anyone who has any kind of issue with it.
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Post by faggotygas on May 23, 2023 11:04:20 GMT
Good post. Not sure what ‘being allowed to develop organically’ means. Does it mean let it grow without interference or support? Having coached boys and girls football in schools for over 20 years I can say that if you do that little happens. We had to work hard to provide quality training from eager volunteers in dedicated girls only sessions. Put the girls and boys together from 9 onwards and it will be a turn off for many girls. The very best will cope but the vast majority will be turned off the game by trying to compete with more naturally aggressive boys. Of course some girls can do that and do but the vast majority will not. Put on girls only sessions and they really do develop well. But doing that is time-intensive and heavily dependent upon high quality coaching which costs. As to the comment that ‘if the sport is in as much demand……..’ Come on eric if that principle was applied to men’s football in this country outside of the PL the salaries of BRFC players and most EFL clubs’ players would be cut in half or even more. You’re saying that football should be run sustainably, I completely agree but let’s face it if BRFC or any other League 1 or League 2 club were to do that some of them, including us perhaps would be joining Yeovil in the NLS! I’m very surprised that so many seem to have a problem with half the population having equal opportunities with the other half of the population. I wonder how many have daughters or granddaughters and if that affects opinions. UTG! Who has a problem with equal opportunity? I see a problem with it being over hyped for want of a better phrase which is leading to expectations of equal pay etc but that is unrealistic. That’s what I mean by stand on its own two feet, the game needs to generate its own income to be sustainable in the long term. At the moment money is pouring into the top level men’s game through gates and tv revenue and that has to be used to prop up the professional women’s game. Look at the money being offered for women’s World Cup tv rights, there just isn’t enough ‘natural’ revenue at the moment. There is too much of a rush to get it on a par with the men’s game when there is just no comparison in terms of genuine interest. Constantly chasing higher attendances by giving away free tickets to exaggerate the level of interest isn’t doing themselves any favours. There is nothing wrong with encouraging and promoting the game but you cannot just race to it being equal overnight, regardless of what has happened in the past that makes everyone in a rush to bring it to par. You could widen the argument and say why is one sportsperson at the top of his/her game earning more than someone in a different sport? Their income is driven by the popularity of their chosen sport and how much people are prepared to pay to watch it. Wow a lot of myths there. This may interest you. www.icaew.com/insights/viewpoints-on-the-news/2023/jan-2023/deloitte-womens-football-sees-average-club-revenue-soar#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20report%20by,revenue%20at%20%E2%82%AC7.7m. As Deloitte say, money is being invested in top level women's football because it is being treated as a startup industry with a great deal of potential growth. You say 'prop up', the clubs themselves would say 'invest'. And how about men's football stands on it's own two feet, if that's the criteria to judge by? How many men's teams are consistently profitable? The only place where equal pay has been implemented is in the USA, and that just reflects the revenue split there, where the women's national team earns a similar revenue to the men's. |
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Post by warehamgas on May 23, 2023 12:17:11 GMT
I’m all for equal opportunities, but I’ll be honest , women’s football just doesn’t interest me. Nothing against women , or womens football , I’ve tried to get into it and I simply can’t. Exactly. I don’t watch much either for similar reasons. I just switch off. But there should always be equal opportunities for girls and women to play football to whatever standard they are able to. UTG! |
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Post by oldie on May 23, 2023 12:51:31 GMT
Who has a problem with equal opportunity? I see a problem with it being over hyped for want of a better phrase which is leading to expectations of equal pay etc but that is unrealistic. That’s what I mean by stand on its own two feet, the game needs to generate its own income to be sustainable in the long term. At the moment money is pouring into the top level men’s game through gates and tv revenue and that has to be used to prop up the professional women’s game. Look at the money being offered for women’s World Cup tv rights, there just isn’t enough ‘natural’ revenue at the moment. There is too much of a rush to get it on a par with the men’s game when there is just no comparison in terms of genuine interest. Constantly chasing higher attendances by giving away free tickets to exaggerate the level of interest isn’t doing themselves any favours. There is nothing wrong with encouraging and promoting the game but you cannot just race to it being equal overnight, regardless of what has happened in the past that makes everyone in a rush to bring it to par. You could widen the argument and say why is one sportsperson at the top of his/her game earning more than someone in a different sport? Their income is driven by the popularity of their chosen sport and how much people are prepared to pay to watch it. Wow a lot of myths there. This may interest you. www.icaew.com/insights/viewpoints-on-the-news/2023/jan-2023/deloitte-womens-football-sees-average-club-revenue-soar#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20report%20by,revenue%20at%20%E2%82%AC7.7m. As Deloitte say, money is being invested in top level women's football because it is being treated as a startup industry with a great deal of potential growth. You say 'prop up', the clubs themselves would say 'invest'. And how about men's football stands on it's own two feet, if that's the criteria to judge by? How many men's teams are consistently profitable? The only place where equal pay has been implemented is in the USA, and that just reflects the revenue split there, where the women's national team earns a similar revenue to the men's. Thankyou |
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Post by eric on May 23, 2023 15:11:46 GMT
Who has a problem with equal opportunity? I see a problem with it being over hyped for want of a better phrase which is leading to expectations of equal pay etc but that is unrealistic. That’s what I mean by stand on its own two feet, the game needs to generate its own income to be sustainable in the long term. At the moment money is pouring into the top level men’s game through gates and tv revenue and that has to be used to prop up the professional women’s game. Look at the money being offered for women’s World Cup tv rights, there just isn’t enough ‘natural’ revenue at the moment. There is too much of a rush to get it on a par with the men’s game when there is just no comparison in terms of genuine interest. Constantly chasing higher attendances by giving away free tickets to exaggerate the level of interest isn’t doing themselves any favours. There is nothing wrong with encouraging and promoting the game but you cannot just race to it being equal overnight, regardless of what has happened in the past that makes everyone in a rush to bring it to par. You could widen the argument and say why is one sportsperson at the top of his/her game earning more than someone in a different sport? Their income is driven by the popularity of their chosen sport and how much people are prepared to pay to watch it. Wow a lot of myths there. This may interest you. www.icaew.com/insights/viewpoints-on-the-news/2023/jan-2023/deloitte-womens-football-sees-average-club-revenue-soar#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20report%20by,revenue%20at%20%E2%82%AC7.7m. As Deloitte say, money is being invested in top level women's football because it is being treated as a startup industry with a great deal of potential growth. You say 'prop up', the clubs themselves would say 'invest'. And how about men's football stands on it's own two feet, if that's the criteria to judge by? How many men's teams are consistently profitable? The only place where equal pay has been implemented is in the USA, and that just reflects the revenue split there, where the women's national team earns a similar revenue to the men's. All the top flight men’s sides should be profitable with the huge tv and gate revenues. Sheer stupidity in wages prevents profit - they could make a profit quite comfortably and still pay players wages beyond us mere mortals wildest dreams. Wages in men’s and women’s football should be driven by the revenues they respectively create. |
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Post by aghast on May 23, 2023 16:00:17 GMT
The principle I have a hard job understanding: Say 10 years ago football was (and still is) incredibly popular with boys and men. It wasn’t hugely popular with girls. If I think of all the women I know, I didn’t know a single one who was remotely interested in it. My mother and sister might come to the odd game but that’s where it ended. None of my partners wanted to come. One can either infer from this that A/ women generally dont like football or b/. football is an exclusionary misogynist sport which actively discourages female participation. thinking again of the women in my life, i think they just genuinely had other interests and werent closet fans, cruelly cut out by bullying abd cliquey males. So if this is the case, WHY? why is it a good thing to encourage female participation in a sport which didn't have a great deal of interest before the money poured in? My wife is obsessed with skincare and foodie youtube vids. i see no campaign to encourage male participation in skincare. its happened now and i really dont care either way. it makes no differnce to me and each to their own. Its just a curiousity to see these social phenomenons. As a live and let live kind of guy, its interesting to see the thought processes of what i call busybodies - always campaigning and trying to shape society in their image of a better one! I get it if you have a daughter who is into football how you’d want to promote it, as there’s skin in the game. Other than that, I won’t be encouraging or discouraging mine from playing. She will be offered the chance to come to rovers games, it’s up to her basically. I don’t see a reason why she SHOULD like it if she’s into piano or ballet or animals or tennis or whatnot. For someone who doesn't care either way you don't half bang on about it. Some might think that you actually do care, and not in a positive way, but I wouldn't know. |
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Post by peterparker on May 23, 2023 16:41:22 GMT
The principle I have a hard job understanding: Say 10 years ago football was (and still is) incredibly popular with boys and men. It wasn’t hugely popular with girls. If I think of all the women I know, I didn’t know a single one who was remotely interested in it. My mother and sister might come to the odd game but that’s where it ended. None of my partners wanted to come. One can either infer from this that A/ women generally dont like football or b/. football is an exclusionary misogynist sport which actively discourages female participation. thinking again of the women in my life, i think they just genuinely had other interests and werent closet fans, cruelly cut out by bullying abd cliquey males. So if this is the case, WHY? why is it a good thing to encourage female participation in a sport which didn't have a great deal of interest before the money poured in? My wife is obsessed with skincare and foodie youtube vids. i see no campaign to encourage male participation in skincare. its happened now and i really dont care either way. it makes no differnce to me and each to their own. Its just a curiousity to see these social phenomenons. As a live and let live kind of guy, its interesting to see the thought processes of what i call busybodies - always campaigning and trying to shape society in their image of a better one! I get it if you have a daughter who is into football how you’d want to promote it, as there’s skin in the game. Other than that, I won’t be encouraging or discouraging mine from playing. She will be offered the chance to come to rovers games, it’s up to her basically. I don’t see a reason why she SHOULD like it if she’s into piano or ballet or animals or tennis or whatnot. I dont how old you are, I am 40 and I have spent 25 years+ standing at games with girls/women, going on coaches with women to games and drinking pints with them. I dont know what other clubs have been like with female fans, but at Rovers I have always felt we have have a fair percentage of female fans. I cant speak for the women, but maybe they would rather have watched womens football if it was more readily available/better accesible. Womens football is a a good product that is getting better and better. Money going into it is no different than going into Olympic events to promote them and medal chances If you dont get it, thats fine, but it doesnt or shouldnt really affect you in any way |
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Post by gulfofaden on May 23, 2023 17:36:37 GMT
The principle I have a hard job understanding: Say 10 years ago football was (and still is) incredibly popular with boys and men. It wasn’t hugely popular with girls. If I think of all the women I know, I didn’t know a single one who was remotely interested in it. My mother and sister might come to the odd game but that’s where it ended. None of my partners wanted to come. One can either infer from this that A/ women generally dont like football or b/. football is an exclusionary misogynist sport which actively discourages female participation. thinking again of the women in my life, i think they just genuinely had other interests and werent closet fans, cruelly cut out by bullying abd cliquey males. So if this is the case, WHY? why is it a good thing to encourage female participation in a sport which didn't have a great deal of interest before the money poured in? My wife is obsessed with skincare and foodie youtube vids. i see no campaign to encourage male participation in skincare. its happened now and i really dont care either way. it makes no differnce to me and each to their own. Its just a curiousity to see these social phenomenons. As a live and let live kind of guy, its interesting to see the thought processes of what i call busybodies - always campaigning and trying to shape society in their image of a better one! I get it if you have a daughter who is into football how you’d want to promote it, as there’s skin in the game. Other than that, I won’t be encouraging or discouraging mine from playing. She will be offered the chance to come to rovers games, it’s up to her basically. I don’t see a reason why she SHOULD like it if she’s into piano or ballet or animals or tennis or whatnot. For someone who doesn't care either way you don't half bang on about it. Some might think that you actually do care, and not in a positive way, but I wouldn't know. I think in the hierarchy of those things that matter to me, your opinion ranks a lot lower than women’s football, although you seem to prize mine quite highly seeing as your jaw flaps about every time I post something. |
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Post by gulfofaden on May 23, 2023 17:46:52 GMT
The principle I have a hard job understanding: Say 10 years ago football was (and still is) incredibly popular with boys and men. It wasn’t hugely popular with girls. If I think of all the women I know, I didn’t know a single one who was remotely interested in it. My mother and sister might come to the odd game but that’s where it ended. None of my partners wanted to come. One can either infer from this that A/ women generally dont like football or b/. football is an exclusionary misogynist sport which actively discourages female participation. thinking again of the women in my life, i think they just genuinely had other interests and werent closet fans, cruelly cut out by bullying abd cliquey males. So if this is the case, WHY? why is it a good thing to encourage female participation in a sport which didn't have a great deal of interest before the money poured in? My wife is obsessed with skincare and foodie youtube vids. i see no campaign to encourage male participation in skincare. its happened now and i really dont care either way. it makes no differnce to me and each to their own. Its just a curiousity to see these social phenomenons. As a live and let live kind of guy, its interesting to see the thought processes of what i call busybodies - always campaigning and trying to shape society in their image of a better one! Think of young children. Think of the health benefits, think of the social benefits and the developmental benefits of young, female in this example, participating in organised team sport. It's not just about middle aged men choosing to like or dislike, in fact it is nothing to do with them. The fact that your wife (your example you chose to post up) is "infatuated" with social media covering "foodie" and skin care products rather makes my point. I mean no disrespect to your wife, obviously but I have twin female grand children, 5 years old. I know which path their parents are taking them down and it won't be that, but participative sport is definitely on the table. One of the barriers they will have to overcome is the image of males fighting at football games, male fans exalting the violence and their favoured team's manager advocating reward. You’ve mixed up a few threads in my comment purely to insult here. The example I gave for my daughter were: Ballet, animals, piano. I said my WIFE likes foodie stuff and skincare. I didn’t say that was the place I path either of us were taking our daughter down. That wasn’t suggested but you’ve mixed 2 things up to A/ insult my wife and B/ criticise how we raise our children. I’m not going to rise to it as I can’t be bothered, but just be aware, all the things I said on the other thread about how you chaps gang up and get personal, voila. PS There is no moral or intellectual superiority in football over and above good food and looking good. People have different interests and pulling faces and looking down your nose at others who don’t share your own is ignorant and spiteful. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2023 18:50:50 GMT
The principle I have a hard job understanding: Say 10 years ago football was (and still is) incredibly popular with boys and men. It wasn’t hugely popular with girls. If I think of all the women I know, I didn’t know a single one who was remotely interested in it. My mother and sister might come to the odd game but that’s where it ended. None of my partners wanted to come. One can either infer from this that A/ women generally dont like football or b/. football is an exclusionary misogynist sport which actively discourages female participation. thinking again of the women in my life, i think they just genuinely had other interests and werent closet fans, cruelly cut out by bullying abd cliquey males. So if this is the case, WHY? why is it a good thing to encourage female participation in a sport which didn't have a great deal of interest before the money poured in? My wife is obsessed with skincare and foodie youtube vids. i see no campaign to encourage male participation in skincare. its happened now and i really dont care either way. it makes no differnce to me and each to their own. Its just a curiousity to see these social phenomenons. As a live and let live kind of guy, its interesting to see the thought processes of what i call busybodies - always campaigning and trying to shape society in their image of a better one! I get it if you have a daughter who is into football how you’d want to promote it, as there’s skin in the game. Other than that, I won’t be encouraging or discouraging mine from playing. She will be offered the chance to come to rovers games, it’s up to her basically. I don’t see a reason why she SHOULD like it if she’s into piano or ballet or animals or tennis or whatnot. For someone who doesn't care either way you don't half bang on about it. Some might think that you actually do care, and not in a positive way, but I wouldn't know. I don’t think there was any need for that to be honest , why did you feel it necessary to post such a lippy remark , when everyone else is being civilised , my question to you is , would you be so brave without hiding behind your phone ? |
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Post by gasonthemount on May 23, 2023 19:54:44 GMT
For many years, well decades my wife only attended occasional games including Wembley (Old and New) and Cardiff.
Last season with my Dad being 90 we moved from the Thatchers end to the SW stand. My wife decided that she would like to join us and have a S/T as well. And in spite of the lack of home wins she really enjoyed the season.
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